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Conservative values under attack in Howell
04-03-2006, 2:31 PM
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| Conservative values under attack in Howell This must be all the yuppies moving in 
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04-03-2006, 2:33 PM
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| Re: Conservative values under attack in Howell As usual, the ACLU has it right. Both should be able to display their flags. |
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04-03-2006, 2:50 PM
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| Re: Conservative values under attack in Howell Obviously, it's an incredibly slow news day. |
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04-03-2006, 2:57 PM
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| Re: Conservative values under attack in Howell I blame Abtech
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04-03-2006, 2:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sheepofblue This must be all the yuppies moving in  | "This is an opportunity for a teaching moment with the students," she said, "to talk to them about tolerance and help to move the city beyond its abysmal history."
I tend to think this statement is in reference to another flag (confederate) that sometimes flies in that area. We've seen a lot of that discussion on the evening news around here. Apparently the county is a hotbed for another set of "conservative values" |
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04-03-2006, 3:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gt702 "This is an opportunity for a teaching moment with the students," she said, "to talk to them about tolerance and help to move the city beyond its abysmal history."
I tend to think this statement is in reference to another flag (confederate) that sometimes flies in that area. We've seen a lot of that discussion on the evening news around here. Apparently the county is a hotbed for another set of "conservative values" | It's an old clan haven. But to exchange one group of fascists for another is not a good solution.
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04-03-2006, 3:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sheepofblue It's an old clan haven. But to exchange one group of fascists for another is not a good solution. | Which ones are the faschists ... the diversity group flying the gay pride banner, or the value people with a questionably religious themed banner
I say freedom of speech and let the people decide ... as long as there are equal freedoms ... that is, let them go up (as long as not threatening or vulgar) or don't let any go up |
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04-03-2006, 3:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gt702 Which ones are the faschists ... the diversity group flying the gay pride banner, or the value people with a questionably religious themed banner
I say freedom of speech and let the people decide ... as long as there are equal freedoms ... that is, let them go up (as long as not threatening or vulgar) or don't let any go up | The people saying that all flags are welcome except one. 
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04-03-2006, 3:28 PM
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| Re: Conservative values under attack in Howell I have been listening to this drama unfold for the past 2 weeks and really haven't formed an opinion other than: Fly the Stars and Stripes and put your personal colors on your car. |
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04-03-2006, 3:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sheepofblue The people saying that all flags are welcome except one.  |  I'm with you on that one
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04-03-2006, 3:41 PM
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Originally Posted by abtech I have been listening to this drama unfold for the past 2 weeks and really haven't formed an opinion other than: Fly the Stars and Stripes and put your personal colors on your car. | I would TOTALLY agree if they banned all flags except the USA from school property. However they have not, so to single out one group is wrong (unless they choose a profane flag). Further the image is not a cross merely "looks similar"
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04-03-2006, 3:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sheepofblue I would TOTALLY agree if they banned all flags except the USA from school property. However they have not, so to single out one group is wrong (unless they choose a profane flag). Further the image is not a cross merely "looks similar" | According to an interview with the flag's creator, it is in fact a cross (and since the first letter in Traditional is a "T", they're trying to backpeddle as they hadn't counted on the backlash). |
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Originally Posted by abtech According to an interview with the flag's creator, it is in fact a cross (and since the first letter in Traditional is a "T", they're trying to backpeddle as they hadn't counted on the backlash). | I would still not object if it was. This is a student organization not a school class. Also if they are stopping religion they should stop talking of "mother earth" on earth day  The reality is the liberal school officials are threatened by the concept which is counter to the socialism spread by the Michigan Teacher's union (and a LOT of other states)
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04-03-2006, 4:03 PM
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Originally Posted by abtech According to an interview with the flag's creator, it is in fact a cross (and since the first letter in Traditional is a "T", they're trying to backpeddle as they hadn't counted on the backlash). | Even if it is, should it matter in determining if a student organization is singled out or not? It is the students, not the school, so the separation issue is really not an issue (didn't the ACLU agree with that in the article, but don't remember exactly).
I just don't like how certain groups can do anything because everyone is afraid to stand up to them, and anything that event hints of a Judeo-Christian affiliation is automatically ruled out. |
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Originally Posted by gt702 I just don't like how certain groups can do anything because everyone is afraid to stand up to them, and anything that event hints of a Judeo-Christian affiliation is automatically ruled out. |  |
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04-03-2006, 4:33 PM
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| Re: Conservative values under attack in Howell I went to schools where the Cross or Crucifix was displayed prominently in every classroom and I have no problem with this whatsoever.
What I have a problem with is that the students aren't the ones involved in the controversy and that makes the student organizations just puppets of their moderators and the respective member's parents.
I should also point out that at least 30 percent of the student body proudly display tattoes, body piercings, pants hanging below their underwear etc. and no one seems to have a problem with this.
Make them all wear corduroy pants, white shirts and STFU. |
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04-03-2006, 4:35 PM
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Originally Posted by abtech Make them all wear corduroy pants, white shirts and STFU. | .... with a belt, and tucked in.  |
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04-03-2006, 4:39 PM
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Originally Posted by abtech Make them all wear corduroy pants, white shirts and STFU. | At least you didn't say polyester... |
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Originally Posted by gt702 | Got that right! |
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