Duke lacrosse team

ccwilli3 · 04-11-2006, 11:34 PM

(Did I miss a post about this?)

Comments?

No DNA evidence leads it to these guys as of today... Sexual assault cases rarely yield DNA evidence...

So now what? Is a stripper's word worth little in this world in which we live? Sure, its not the most respectful job in the world, especially when you consider over half of strippers have had intercourse with a customer more than once, but still, shouldn't she be protected? Why aren't these guys in jail or at least out on bond/bail now? (perhaps they are, I may be misinformed on that point) A full one third of the guys in question here have a criminal record of some sort, be it small or large. Hello? More news from the hospital however said the girl never said who did it. She never even said anything about duke. So at what point did these guys become the accused and why wasn't it disclosed until well after the hospital visit?

For those that don't know, durham is a highly liberal city in a liberal county (aka, tough gun laws for legal citizens and arguably one of the worst crime rates in the state). Also known as the city of medicince and is one of the 'triangle' cities that surround research triangle park in central NC. Most city officials are black, the sheriff is black. The population is 45% white, 44% black in the city of durham alone. The murder rate there is 3x the national average, the rape rate is 1.5x the national average and robberies are almost 4x the national average per 1000people. With such rough crime rates and a black woman is a victim of a devastatingly terrible crime, why aren't these white boys in jail?

If this had been the north carolina central basketball team being accused of doing the same thing to a white stripper that just so happened to go to duke, how different would things be sitting right now?

The people I feel most sorry for right now:

The NCCU girl, the stripper, the victim: She better hold on, her character is about to get exploited and everything she has ever done to reflect on her character will now be brought to the forefront. Not only does she have to deal with that for the coming months, but the devasting lifetime effects of her assualt will always be with her.

The duke lacrosse coach: He resigned (no doubt that he was forced out by the university) and the season ended early. What did he do? Is he responsible for the actions of grown 'MEN' that just happen to play a sport under him?

ConqSoft · 04-11-2006, 11:39 PM

I'm thinking she made the story up... Especially if the defense has the pictures they say they do, showing she was already bruised, nails broken, etc when she first arrived.

stegen · 04-12-2006, 1:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ccwilli3

especially when you consider over half of strippers have had intercourse with a customer more than once

Huh? Say What? I have to start hanging out at strip clubs more often.

NinerPilot · 04-12-2006, 2:32 AM

Yeah Stegen.... That is JUST what you need...

stegen · 04-20-2006, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NinerPilot

Yeah Stegen.... That is JUST what you need...

What?! I am single now. the worst that could happen is i would contract a STD. I could look past that.

bwhip · 04-20-2006, 12:23 AM

In a rather bizarre related development:
"Demand for Duke Lacrosse Gear Soars"
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2413794

sheepofblue · 04-20-2006, 7:29 AM

Seems the one kid has a fairly solid alibi also (according to ABC which I would not expect to be on the young mens side) Sounds more and more like a like made up story and out of control (reelection soon) DA

Mojave954 · 04-20-2006, 8:01 AM

I am figurin' she wants an out of court settlement. Either way she has now ruined these boys and she should be counter-sued for defemation of character. Won't get anything from her but...

SilverBullet · 04-20-2006, 8:12 AM

Yeah, very curious to see how it all turns out. They also said she was drunk when she got to the party, so it's possible it could have happened before she got to their party.

DJChyk · 04-20-2006, 8:20 AM

I'm very interested to get more facts on this. It's all very blurry right now...

Why did the lacrosse coach resign last week?

If the guys were innocent, why did they take so long to comment or enter a plea?

If condoms were used (and who wouldn't use one these days?), DNA would be scarce. Even if the stripper was drunk, even if she was a "stripper", even if she may not have been the sharpest crayon in the box, if they did ANYTHING against her will, they are guilty.

Mojave954 · 04-20-2006, 8:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DJChyk

I'm very interested to get more facts on this. It's all very blurry right now...

Why did the lacrosse coach resign last week?

If the guuys were innocent, why did they take so long to comment or enter a plea?

If condoms were used (and who wouldn't use one with a hooker?) DNA would be scarce. Even if the stripper was drunk, even if she was a "stripper", even if she may not have been the sharpest crayon in the box, if they did ANYTHING against her will, they are guilty.

Its apparent to me that things aren't "against their will" until the deed is done lately.

Just heard they, the lacrosse team members, turned down the plea bargin this morning. Still bettin' they are innocent. Nothing more than someone looking to get money.

DJChyk · 04-20-2006, 8:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojave954

Its apparent to me that things aren't "against their will" until the deed is done lately.

Just heard they, the lacrosse team members, turned down the plea bargin this morning. Still bettin' they are innocent. Nothing more than someone looking to get money.

ANY unwanted physical contact is a crime. Period. Doesn't matter what she was doing, wearing, or drinking.

Mojave954 · 04-20-2006, 8:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJChyk

ANY unwanted physical contact is a crime. Period. Doesn't matter what she was doing, wearing, or drinking.

Understand and agree with your statement. However that has to be made clear at the time. Since we weren't there, we don't know exactly what happened. Just basing my opinion on a lot of high profile alledged rape cases lately where the "victim" comes out days later and really all they want is a cash settlement out of court, Colby really comes to mind with this incident.

GOLDDIGGERS, I believe is the term.

Just another reason I stay away.

DJChyk · 04-20-2006, 9:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojave954

Understand and agree with your statement. However that has to be made clear at the time. Since we weren't there, we don't know exactly what happened. Just basing my opinion on a lot of high profile alledged rape cases lately where the "victim" comes out days later and really all they want is a cash settlement out of court, Colby really comes to mind with this incident.

GOLDDIGGERS, I believe is the term.

Just another reason I stay away.

Very good point, Mojave. Communication is the key.

But I still don't see why the coach resigned? Was it related to this incident or just poor timing on his part?

Sunbert · 04-20-2006, 9:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DJChyk

ANY unwanted physical contact is a crime. Period. Doesn't matter what she was doing, wearing, or drinking.

I agree. However, if she didn't want any physical contact, she
a) should not have chosen stripping as a profession
b)if, after deciding that being a stripper was the best profession for her, she should not have gone to a party ALONE where she knew there would be a lot of drunk men.

BDA116 · 04-20-2006, 9:38 AM

ANY claims of unwanted physical contact AFTER said contact happened without voicing one's desire for it to not happen, but when one got home one decided one regretted it and now didn't want it should be a crime.

SuperDave · 04-20-2006, 9:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojave954

Understand and agree with your statement. However that has to be made clear at the time. Since we weren't there, we don't know exactly what happened. Just basing my opinion on a lot of high profile alledged rape cases lately where the "victim" comes out days later and really all they want is a cash settlement out of court, Colby really comes to mind with this incident.

GOLDDIGGERS, I believe is the term.

Just another reason I stay away.

Do you mean Kobe Bryant? I don't know, that case seemed like she wanted him, just didn't expect him to be so rough and when she wanted out, Kobe had none of it until he was done. He was guilty, but they (high dollar lawyers) finally broke her and I'd bet there was some out of court "compensation".

Didn't the stripper state she had scratched/broken one of her finger nails off in the arm of one of the suspects? I thought that was one of the reasons for the DNA testing, that they supposedly had skin tissue. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought I heard that on the news.

The story is very strange (aren't they all in these type cases) where she was verbally abused (racial comments, etc) and she actually left, only to be persuaded to come back in and party/perform?

I also heard some other Colleges were already stating, "no Duke transfers, thank you very much".

ConqSoft · 04-20-2006, 9:40 AM

Supposedly they have pictures of her as she arrived, and from earlier in the evening, and she already had bruises and broken nails.

sheepofblue · 04-20-2006, 9:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DJChyk

I'm very interested to get more facts on this. It's all very blurry right now...

Why did the lacrosse coach resign last week?

If the guys were innocent, why did they take so long to comment or enter a plea?

The charges were just filed and was initially sealed from the grand jury (persecutor wanted spectacular arrests vs the accused voluntarily coming in)

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Originally Posted by DJChyk

If condoms were used (and who wouldn't use one these days?), DNA would be scarce. Even if the stripper was drunk, even if she was a "stripper", even if she may not have been the sharpest crayon in the box, if they did ANYTHING against her will, they are guilty.

Agree but one of the accused has a fairly tight alibi for not even being there at the time of the alledged crime. Also there seems to be a fair amount of time stamped photography available that does not support the accuser's story.

ccwilli3 · 04-20-2006, 10:37 AM

THis is getting more interesting everyday... Today they had the taxi driver on the news talking about the times he was called for a ride (they pulled the phone records), the atm receipt, the restaurant stop, and then the all important duke university student id security system that shows he entered his room when he did.

Yesterday I saw the pictures of the girl who came back to get her shoe. She was smiling in the pics, before and after she went in. Weird.

The thing that is most irritating to me in all these people is the politics the DA is playing. Yeah, we know you want to be re-elected, so we can see right through you when you are playing up to your constituents and having press conferences, public forums, etc, etc, etc. Sharks, lawyers and car salesmen, thats all you'll find at the bottom of the ocean...

southpark460 · 04-20-2006, 10:43 AM

They'll drop the charges after the election. And his little "campaign plan" will severely hurt race relations in that area. The only way this will end peacefully is if she admits she was lying, or someone admits they assaulted her.

luvtolean · 04-20-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DJChyk

Why did the lacrosse coach resign last week?

"The racially charged allegations have led to near daily protest rallies. The school canceled the highly ranked team's season and accepted the resignation of coach Mike Pressler after the release of a vulgar and graphic e-mail that was sent by a team member shortly after the alleged assault.

An attorney for Ryan McFadyen, the player who sent the e-mail, said his client was not among those indicted."

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If the guys were innocent, why did they take so long to comment or enter a plea?

This is the legal system. You proceed how your attorney tells you...maybe they didn't have attorneys yet.

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If condoms were used (and who wouldn't use one these days?), DNA would be scarce. Even if the stripper was drunk, even if she was a "stripper", even if she may not have been the sharpest crayon in the box, if they did ANYTHING against her will, they are guilty.

With broken nails and bruising, you think you'd find some, but I'll agree, lack of DNA is not proof of anything.