Illegal Aliens complain that others are not following the rules

sheepofblue · 04-12-2006, 9:55 AM

NinerPilot · 04-12-2006, 10:16 AM

Sheep, they are "undocumented" not illegal. Have to be PC you know...

Im leaving to go to the Gap, hopefully I wont get caught doing undocumented speeds...

Sunbert · 04-12-2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NinerPilot

Im leaving to go to the Gap, hopefully I wont get caught doing undocumented speeds...

For a couple minutes I wondered why you were in such a hurry to get to The Gap. Then I realized you weren't talking about the retail store.

deftones156 · 04-12-2006, 10:39 AM

It was not fair,'" said Mercedes, a 31-year-old Detroit woman who attended the rally and was fired. "We went to fight for our rights." Mercedes is undocumented and asked that her last name not be used.

Oh, I understand, you were fighting for your rights. You must be referring to your rights as a U.S. citizen, yes? Okay, well, we're sorry then, we sh...wait, but you're not a U.S. Citizen, are you? Hmm...now I'm confused as to what rights you speak of?!

sheepofblue · 04-12-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by NinerPilot

Sheep, they are "undocumented" not illegal. Have to be PC you know...

Im leaving to go to the Gap, hopefully I wont get caught doing undocumented speeds...

*Mo Noyz* · 04-12-2006, 11:01 AM

They interviewed this Mexican columnist yesterday on To The Point and he was basically saying the same things.

Now I'm all for trying to help these folks out using some of the methods that the Senate has been batting around, but when people who are in this country illegally start whining about their rights being violated, me no likey.

Matter of fact, I say if they keep up with this horseshit, they'll end up turning the American populace against them in ways that they wouldn't find very savory.

BDA116 · 04-12-2006, 11:09 AM

There was a bit on the local news the other night after another one of these idiotic MexiMarches with a poll asking locals if the recent marches and demonstrations were changing their opinions and if so were they more or less sympathetic and it was somewhere around 60% less sympathetic. Same type of question on if the events were changing their views on closing the border and again overwhelmingly people are stating that these events are making them feel more like closing the borders and sending them all back.
It's all backfiring in a massive way.
Then there's this guy who claims to be the leader of whatever organization staged these MexiMarches saying they might just plan a worker strike the beginning of May.
And they actually think that's going to help them?

Go ahead, strike. Get fired and get your sorry asses back home. When you decide to come back legally you'll be accepted.

*Mo Noyz* · 04-12-2006, 11:26 AM

I hate to say it, but I'm actually glad to see this garbage biting them in the ass.

Umm...........

If you are not here legally, a little humility would go a long way.

CBRVFR · 04-12-2006, 11:48 AM

Ahem.... These are not illegal or undocumented workers. They have work visas and are completely legal.

Nonetheless, the employer had a right to terminate them, but given the work ethic of the local AMURRICAN workers, he'd be stupid to do so.

I have a lot fewer problems with people from Mexico coming here, working three jobs, saving their money and bringing their relatives over than I do with people who were born here and don't contribute a damned thing to society.

BDA116 · 04-12-2006, 11:57 AM

Who are you talking about, CBR?

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Some of the Wolverine workers were undocumented, Herrada and one of the workers said, and wanted to march in the Detroit rally to show their support for immigrant rights.

That's from the aforementioned aticle. The ones I am referring to are all here illegally, with no visas. If they come here legally, get a visa and actually work and keep on top of what is necessary to be a legal immigrant that is completely alright.
In fact, that is all anyone is asking of them.
Those that cross illegally, do nothing to work legally or become a part of legal American society can get the **** out.
That is what this whole thing is really about, although the vast majority of the MexiMarchers have absolutely no clue.

sheepofblue · 04-12-2006, 12:01 PM

From the article
"Some of the Wolverine workers were undocumented, Herrada and one of the workers said, and wanted to march in the Detroit rally to show their support for immigrant rights."

Lazy people suck but that is a seperate issue from illegal aliens.

There are a LOT of LEGAL immigrants that also work very hard but respected our laws enough to immigrate the proper way. There is also a lot of hardworking people that were born in the USA.

CBRVFR · 04-12-2006, 1:01 PM

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Bonahoom said that as far as Wolverine knows, the workers were documented, but an employment agency does the actual hiring. He said the workers had been told, "written and verbally," on the Friday before the protests that their attendance was mandatory on the day of the protest.

If they got past the screening process, they either have work papers or something that looks a hell of a lot like them.The fine for employers is hundreds of dollars a day for hiring people who are illegal.

I am presuming that Minuteman Temps are not stupid enough to risk this, since it's pretty much all they have to do to limit their liability to nothing, but I suppose I could be wrong. Much more likely that the "activist" or the news reporter is full of **** There is a category on the form for "aliens authorized to work in the United States" who don't have a permanent visa. They have to have an Alien Number. I think this is used for migrant workers who picked the veggies you ate today because no self respecting unemployed American would do that.

If these people are not supposed to be working and kicked up this much of a public fuss, I'd be really surprised, and the temp agency can close their doors now.

luvtolean · 04-12-2006, 1:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

Ahem.... These are not illegal or undocumented workers. They have work visas and are completely legal.

Nonetheless, the employer had a right to terminate them, but given the work ethic of the local AMURRICAN workers, he'd be stupid to do so.

I have a lot fewer problems with people from Mexico coming here, working three jobs, saving their money and bringing their relatives over than I do with people who were born here and don't contribute a damned thing to society.

I don't think any of the arguments here are around people with work visas. It's around illegal immigrants. And their desire to get some kind of representation/benefit.

deftones156 · 04-12-2006, 2:16 PM

It was not fair,'" said Mercedes, a 31-year-old Detroit woman who attended the rally and was fired. "We went to fight for our rights." Mercedes is undocumented and asked that her last name not be used.

Straight from the last part of the article.

Seems to me that Woverine doesn't know jack if this is true...

CBR929RE · 04-12-2006, 8:39 PM

I was wondering whether anyone was gonna make a thread about this.

here's my opinon on the whole thing:
They should just enfore the laws that are already in place before they make any new ones.

They are called "Illegal aliens" because it is NOT LEGAL for them to be here. That's reason enough for me to say ship them all back to whereever they came from. I really don't understand how they can argue that they should be allowed to stay when their simple presence here is breaking the law.

esoteric · 04-13-2006, 1:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CBR929RE

They should just enfore the laws that are already in place before they make any new ones.

Unfortunately, too idealistic, I think. The system is too broken and neglected, the borders too open to manage doing so adequately. In analogy to another broken system, we couldn't very well, and wouldn't be served very well, by ticketing everyone driving over 65MPH on the freeway as a prerequisite to raising the limit to a more reasonable 75MPH.

It seems their sense of self-entitlement is blown out of proportion... not unlike Orange County women.

As much as I'd like to say enforce the law as it's written, pick them up and un-relocate them, I know it's just not feasible. If it could happen with the snap of a finger that'd be grand, but the collection would cost money. All expenses are, of course, incurred by the taxpayer. Sudden loss of the workers in the various industries, knowing well that the industries and politicians built their homes out of cards, just wouldn't pass as acceptable.

Somewhere it was mentioned 10M people? Lacking a secure border there's a constant influx. You'd have to export more people than import themselves, and that's just to make headway when they can walk right back over. The busses alone to move them would be pricey on top of some additional gov't institution to manage it.
That written, I just did a search on the cost of deportation and they conclude about the same:
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/...f-deportation/

Custom900 · 04-15-2006, 6:13 PM

It's an easy solution. If you are here illegally go home until you can come legally.

If you want to protest, do so from your own border.

What would you do if I came into your house, started eating your food, watching your television, sleeping in your bed, etc? Without your permission you would be pissed.
I can see the debate now:
YOU: Who are you and what are you doing in my house???
ALIEN: But sir I cut your grass and washed the dishes.
YOU: I never invited you and you never asked to come over.
ALIEN: I just wanted a better life for myself.
YOU: I don't know who you are, you could be a threat to my family, me, or my neighbors.
ALIEN: But I've been helping out. I've been contributing. Doesn't that make me a part of your family?

If you are an illegal alien in my Country it's the same as coming into my home uninvited. That would be called "breaking and entering". The last time I checked that is a crime you can be shot and killed for on the spot.

Protest if you want to. If you are here illegally you are in my house without permission. Go home or be punished.

Do I sound as if I show little to no mercy? I'm sorry. I do give the option to go home and make things right.

dattaway · 04-15-2006, 6:42 PM

I don't know many people who want to compete with unfair labor. If an illegal alien works at my place, they are represented by the union, which means its nearly impossible to get fired, full pay, insurance, and pension. The union helps keep my employer straight.

sheepofblue · 04-15-2006, 7:20 PM

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Originally Posted by esoteric

Unfortunately, too idealistic, I think. The system is too broken and neglected, the borders too open to manage doing so adequately. In analogy to another broken system, we couldn't very well, and wouldn't be served very well, by ticketing everyone driving over 65MPH on the freeway as a prerequisite to raising the limit to a more reasonable 75MPH.

It seems their sense of self-entitlement is blown out of proportion... not unlike Orange County women.

As much as I'd like to say enforce the law as it's written, pick them up and un-relocate them, I know it's just not feasible. If it could happen with the snap of a finger that'd be grand, but the collection would cost money. All expenses are, of course, incurred by the taxpayer. Sudden loss of the workers in the various industries, knowing well that the industries and politicians built their homes out of cards, just wouldn't pass as acceptable.

Somewhere it was mentioned 10M people? Lacking a secure border there's a constant influx. You'd have to export more people than import themselves, and that's just to make headway when they can walk right back over. The busses alone to move them would be pricey on top of some additional gov't institution to manage it.
That written, I just did a search on the cost of deportation and they conclude about the same:
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/...f-deportation/

The problem with amnesty is that it was tried already by Ronald Reagan with additions to the bill by Senator Kennedy. It got us to where we are

Cowboy1600 · 04-17-2006, 10:56 PM

So because they are "illegal aliens" they have no rights?

Isnt your whole country pretty much tpotally reliant on the assumption that every man is created equal? Oh, oh, dont tell me, every AMERICAN is created equal right?

sheepofblue · 04-17-2006, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

So because they are "illegal aliens" they have no rights?

Isnt your whole country pretty much tpotally reliant on the assumption that every man is created equal? Oh, oh, dont tell me, every AMERICAN is created equal right?

The constitution starts "We the people" they are not "we" however that in no way means that all guests should not be treated equal. However they are illegal and even US citizen criminals forfeit rights by their actions.

Cowboy1600 · 04-17-2006, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepofblue

The constitution starts "We the people" they are not "we" however that in no way means that all guests should not be treated equal. However they are illegal and even US citizen criminals forfeit rights by their actions.

So you're comparing an impoverished immgrant moving to the US to work in some shitful job that most Americans dont want for less than minimum wage in order to put a basic roof over their families head with someone who has committed a crime and been thrown in gaol?