[smoothrideronli]

Originally Posted by BDA116

No, it has NOTHING to do with race, it has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that the United States is a country based on the rule of law, and these law breakers have no respect for it.

While I am not taking sides...we ARE a country based on the rule of law...but our own elected officials have become adept at breaking the law and getting away with it. Do they have respect for the laws that they break? Shouldn't they be held liable as well? I have to admit while I do have an opinion I really dont have a solution so just count me among the many people that say a lot but actually may do little...

[phobiaphobe]

Don't mind me... this has nothing to do with me but let me throw in my 3rd-person perspective:

Originally Posted by luvtolean

...What's the problem?

The additional crime associated with the expanded poor class.

Originally Posted by luvtolean

What's the solution?

More effective law enforcement.

[BDA116]

It's the way you spouted off about certain races and areas that pissed me off.
What's the problem? The same as all other career welfare problems. Ever seen the data on medical facilities in Arizona and New Mexco? How about the problems posed with language barriers? There is significant crime due to the fact that the illegals do not care for the rule of law in the first place.
I'll gladly offer some steps on how to help fix it.
First, seal the borders. You always stop the bleeding first. Once the borders are sealed, then we can talk about ways to help those that are here and would like to stay here as legal immigrants.
Just throwing out some blanket amnesty is a surefire way to get more illegals to come across. Proof of that happened about ten years ago when they were granted amnesty the first time.
Then you go after businesses that knowingly and wilfully hire illegals at a fraction of the cost of hiring legals. And I don't mean piddly fines and slaps on the wrist. If the DEA can take a drug dealer's money, car and home then the same should hold true for the company.
Make sure no social programs other than basic life saving medical aid are availalbe to those here illegally.
Then tax all monies going from illegal aliens back to their homelands via wire transfer 30+%. Take away all the benefits to being here ilegally, as well as the benefits of companies hiring illegals and they will stop coming that way.
Then open up a program for those wanting to stay here legally where they register as a legal migrant, they pay taxes on monies earned here, just as all other legals, and live according to the law. Those that want to do so are welcomed, those that do not are sent home.
The companies that hire legal migrants can do so and pay them a proper competitive wage, those that still try to skirt the system will continue to be taken down.

[luvtolean]

Crime?

Border states on the whole do not have more crime than comparable (comparing urban/population wise) northern cities.

Hell San Diego is quite safe as a whole, and it is the border. Some of the more expensive places to live there are actually within sight of the border.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by BDA116

It's the way you spouted off about certain races and areas that pissed me off.
What's the problem? The same as all other career welfare problems. Ever seen the data on medical facilities in Arizona and New Mexco? How about the problems posed with language barriers? There is significant crime due to the fact that the illegals do not care for the rule of law in the first place.
I'll gladly offer some steps on how to help fix it.
First, seal the borders. You always stop the bleeding first. Once the borders are sealed, then we can talk about ways to help those that are here and would like to stay here as legal immigrants.
Just throwing out some blanket amnesty is a surefire way to get more illegals to come across. Proof of that happened about ten years ago when they were granted amnesty the first time.
Then you go after businesses that knowingly and wilfully hire illegals at a fraction of the cost of hiring legals. And I don't mean piddly fines and slaps on the wrist. If the DEA can take a drug dealer's money, car and home then the same should hold true for the company.
Make sure no social programs other than basic life saving medical aid are availalbe to those here illegally.
Then tax all monies going from illegal aliens back to their homelands via wire transfer 30+%. Take away all the benefits to being here ilegally, as well as the benefits of companies hiring illegals and they will stop coming that way.
Then open up a program for those wanting to stay here legally where they register as a legal migrant, they pay taxes on monies earned here, just as all other legals, and live according to the law. Those that want to do so are welcomed, those that do not are sent home.
The companies that hire legal migrants can do so and pay them a proper competitive wage, those that still try to skirt the system will continue to be taken down.

So in other words, spend billions of dollars...to have the same people here doing the same work for more money? (kinda like the TSA and baggage screening)

How have we benefitted from this? The inflation it'd cause?

[BDA116]

More like the justice system and how screwed up it has become due to idiotic lawyers, since you still want to play the buzzword and personal game.
Let's see your grand master plan that everyone should agree with.

[luvtolean]

BDA, I have no plan, I don't think there's a real problem with the current system.

As long as you see people strapping themselves to a 55 gallon drum and trying to float from Cuba, as long as there's more money to be made in the US than Mexico, this stuff isn't ever going to change. These people are willing to die to get here.

It's a sign of the prosperity of our country, and the lack of with our southern neighbors.

I think things like NAFTA will help more with the "problem" than 6000 National Guardsmen ever will.

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Nothing to do with Mexicans? THAT'S BULLSHIT!!

Where do you want to build the fence and station the National Guard units?

I'm not trying to make euphemisms about the deal, but other than a terminology problem, maybe someone should tell us what we should do?

BTW, sorry for the "migrant workers" terminology. Here in Cali, I've been around migrant workers my whole life. They've always been here picking our fruit and washing our dishes. And they are migrants, they go home to Mexico for the winter.

Guess now I have to start calling them illegal aliens because really, they're an insideous threat to the country now that a guy from Utah and Bama, two of the whitest places on the planet, tell me so.

sorry we are a fairly mixed state and Huntsville even more so.

We want the fence at the point of greatest entry, not everyone that enters there is from Mexico. Also I want enforcement within the country. Temporary workers (ie those that cross to work for the day) are fine, legal aliens are fine.

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by smoothrideronli

Whether someone is a "migrant shopper" or a robber doesnt make the act that they do any less illegal. I dont think terminology matters at all...the terminology IMHO just serves to paint the people in whatever light the painter sees fit...whether positive or negative.

True if both terms were accurate. If I refer to a home invader as a B&E suspect both terms have validity but when I call him a migrant shopper I am full of BS

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by sheepofblue

sorry we are a fairly mixed state and Huntsville even more so.

Yeah, I see that.

71% white, and 92% Christian, 79% Protestant. Very mixed. Alabama is WASP defined.

Alabama

California

[smoothrideronli]

Originally Posted by sheepofblue

True if both terms were accurate. If I refer to a home invader as a B&E suspect both terms have validity but when I call him a migrant shopper I am full of BS

There two pretty famous photos that circulated during Hurrican Katrina...one was a white couple that had "found" food...and the other was of a black couple that were doing the essentially the same thing and they were described as looting...the actions were the same but characterized differently depending on who was doing the interpretation.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by Custom900

Why are we helping illegals to communicate here? Learn the language. If I were to go to another Country and expected to live there I would have to learn to speak the accepted Native language.

Have you ever been to another country?

[phobiaphobe]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Have you ever been to another country?

No but he is a space cadet.

[luvtolean]

He'd be paying 5 bucks for one bannana if we implemented his plan too.

[smoothrideronli]

Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

No but he is a space cadet.

I am glad we are all lightening up a bit.

[phobiaphobe]

Originally Posted by smoothrideronli

I am glad we are all lightening up a bit.

What happened to the other half of your avatar?

[smoothrideronli]

I cut her off...

[phobiaphobe]

Was she hot?

[smoothrideronli]

Yep...

[phobiaphobe]

[smoothrideronli]

Yeah I know...