What, nothing praising the President's immigration speech

luvtolean · 05-19-2006, 2:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jaim

And as far as bringing in the harvest...We have technology, we can develop automated pickers. And I won't get hepatitis from an automated picker.

You clearly do not know the first thing about agriculture....

Spent plenty of time in ERs too..unfortunately. Still not really seeing your point.

We'll be taking care of these people whether they're legal or not.

I'd like to see the data comparing the costs of people on disability because they're alcoholics or drug addicts, and their trips to the ER, who we also pay to stay home and be **** ups, vs illegals who are here to work but also go to the hospital.

sheepofblue · 05-19-2006, 8:49 AM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

Yeah, I see that.

71% white, and 92% Christian, 79% Protestant. Very mixed.

Alabama is WASP defined.

Alabama

California

Dang I was discovered and you left out the part about cousin marryin'. Place is terrible everyone should move to Kaliforni even the undocumented workers (including the ones whose profession is drugs)

deez · 05-19-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jaim

I couldn't agree more and I was hoping to indirectly make this very point. I have taken a lot of **** form a lot of Bush lovers on this board. I take it in stride but then when Bush is ****ing up big time and his administration has been shown to be corrupt over and over again all his supporters seemed to have crawled back into their holes. And now, instead of sticking up for the ass wipe that they helped put into office they attack anyone who mentions getting rid of Bush for all the illegalities he has allowed to happen and has been part of.

Well believe me I've taken more. Been insulted, called names, etc, etc.
If you have taken a lot of **** from Bush lovers here then think of this.
I knew the guy was full of **** way back when he was being elected. I know this because he was the governor of my state before the presidential run so he was always in the local news. And he was part owner of the baseball team so he even had more press coverage.

But anyway, for all the flack you have taken think of this. How many of those who insulted you were blind followers? Now that the truth is starting to come out how ignorant does that make them look?

Take what they say with some strong salt as they don't know ****, obviously.
There was a day, on here, where any thing negative about the guy was said you were ridiculed. Like you said they all crawled back in their holes.
Sheep.

sheepofblue · 05-19-2006, 1:37 PM

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Originally Posted by deez

Well believe me I've taken more. Been insulted, called names, etc, etc.
If you have taken a lot of **** from Bush lovers here then think of this.
I knew the guy was full of **** way back when he was being elected. I know this because he was the governor of my state before the presidential run so he was always in the local news. And he was part owner of the baseball team so he even had more press coverage.

But anyway, for all the flack you have taken think of this. How many of those who insulted you were blind followers? Now that the truth is starting to come out how ignorant does that make them look?

Take what they say with some strong salt as they don't know ****, obviously.
There was a day, on here, where any thing negative about the guy was said you were ridiculed. Like you said they all crawled back in their holes.
Sheep.

Yes?

smoothrideronli · 05-19-2006, 1:41 PM

Blind followers...now that is a major problem to talk about...too many of our elected idiots get their post because of blind followers...

sheepofblue · 05-19-2006, 1:52 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothrideronli

Blind followers...now that is a major problem to talk about...too many of our elected idiots get their post because of blind followers...

Are you sure others have not thought it through with different base principals? I find it amusing that both sides tend to say the other is just stupid. I am VERY conservative but enjoy discussing things with liberal friends that do not result to name calling. It is interesting to hear the reasons they got to the conclusions they do. Now all of us have some knee jerk aliances but most folks have reasons for most votes, consider that and listen to the other side. You may not agree or be swayed but you may come to understand your own ideas better.

smoothrideronli · 05-19-2006, 2:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepofblue

Are you sure others have not thought it through with different base principals? I find it amusing that both sides tend to say the other is just stupid. I am VERY conservative but enjoy discussing things with liberal friends that do not result to name calling. It is interesting to hear the reasons they got to the conclusions they do. Now all of us have some knee jerk aliances but most folks have reasons for most votes, consider that and listen to the other side. You may not agree or be swayed but you may come to understand your own ideas better.

I am sure that some have...but when I talk to people that have one opinion or another (whether they agree or disagree with me) I ask then why do they feel the way they do and at times the reasoning is based on something other than truth or fact. "Wow...I feel like I can have a fireside chat with that presidential candidate...hmm...wait a minute...that must mean he will make a good president...he has my vote!"

Baketech · 05-19-2006, 2:42 PM

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Originally Posted by deez

Well believe me I've taken more. Been insulted, called names, etc, etc.
If you have taken a lot of **** from Bush lovers here then think of this.
I knew the guy was full of **** way back when he was being elected. I know this because he was the governor of my state before the presidential run so he was always in the local news. And he was part owner of the baseball team so he even had more press coverage.

But anyway, for all the flack you have taken think of this. How many of those who insulted you were blind followers? Now that the truth is starting to come out how ignorant does that make them look?

Take what they say with some strong salt as they don't know ****, obviously.
There was a day, on here, where any thing negative about the guy was said you were ridiculed. Like you said they all crawled back in their holes.
Sheep.

I'm a little misty-eyed after reading that heartbreaking tale of woe...

Have you talked to Oprah about a doing a mini-series...

nedro · 05-19-2006, 2:59 PM

How many people here have worked a field or orchard? I'd like to know because you all seem to have opinions about it whether it be one side or the other.

luvtolean · 05-19-2006, 3:01 PM

I'll raise my other hand for Navydevildoc, he worked on the same ones.

Our grandparents had an olive orchard. We used to work around it in summers, and it was a privelage. When my family moved up to NorCal, I picked the olives the "illegal aliens" left behind at the tops of the trees to earn money for dirtbike stuff.

sheepofblue · 05-19-2006, 3:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Baketech

I'm a little misty-eyed after reading that heartbreaking tale of woe...

Have you talked to Oprah about a doing a mini-series...

nedro · 05-19-2006, 3:10 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

I'll raise my other hand for Navydevildoc, he worked on the same ones.

Our grandparents had an olive orchard. We used to work around it in summers. When my family moved up to NorCal, I picked the olives the "illegal aliens" left behind at the tops of the trees to earn money for dirtbike stuff.

Well, there you have it. My father was a migrant worker...A LEGAL ONE! I wasn't because I'm a citizen. But I worked the fields and orchards. And son of a gun...so did LTL. That's proof that if there were job openings in the fields, there are plenty of Legal people willing to do the job for the same peanuts that the illegals get. Even friggin' whities!

to reality.

luvtolean · 05-19-2006, 3:15 PM

My grandparents owned the place...different situation than seasonal labor.

smoothrideronli · 05-19-2006, 3:17 PM

I dont know much about orchards...but I am sure illegal aliens work in other places as well...

sheepofblue · 05-19-2006, 3:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nedro

Well, there you have it. My father was a migrant worker...A LEGAL ONE! I wasn't because I'm a citizen. But I worked the fields and orchards. And son of a gun...so did LTL. That's proof that if there were job openings in the fields, there are plenty of Legal people willing to do the job for the same peanuts that the illegals get. Even friggin' whities!

to reality.

And if not the people should pay more. The support from some of the upper class and businesses is because they don't want to loose thier slaves. Yes an american will refuse to work for sub minimum wage 12 hours a day and live 10 people to a one bedroom apartment, imagine that.

nedro · 05-19-2006, 3:20 PM

One more thing I'd like to add. My Father came to this country without knowing English, so imediately went to an ESL course offered by the state. He also learned Mexican from other workers he was with (yes, Mexican. Spanish is a bit different). So in a matter of a few months, he added two languages. Along with German and French, that made 5 languages including his native Croation language. He never considered it an insult to learn and use English. Never!

nedro · 05-19-2006, 3:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepofblue

And if not the people should pay more. The support from some of the upper class and businesses is because they don't want to loose thier slaves.

Why the heck do you suppose Bush wants to keep them around? Friggin' Duh!

QuikMike · 05-19-2006, 3:22 PM

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Originally Posted by nedro

How many people here have worked a field or orchard? I'd like to know because you all seem to have opinions about it whether it be one side or the other.

I worked in the tobacco fields of SC and there were no migrants, illegals, Mexicans or whatever term you want to use....

smoothrideronli · 05-19-2006, 3:28 PM

I wonder what Bill Mahr would have to say about this?

luvtolean · 05-19-2006, 3:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepofblue

And if not the people should pay more. The support from some of the upper class and businesses is because they don't want to loose thier slaves. Yes an american will refuse to work for sub minimum wage 12 hours a day and live 10 people to a one bedroom apartment, imagine that.

So, what problem is this...be specific.

nedro · 05-19-2006, 3:36 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothrideronli

I wonder what Bill Mahr would have to say about this?

I wouldn't give a hoot what a comedian has to say about this. That's another problem with the US. People confuse fame with intelligence.