An Inconvenient Truth

Hamburgler · 11-29-2006, 4:32 PM

A mole of methane traps about 30 times as much radiant heat as a mole CO2. You can keep breathing as long as you stop farting

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CBRVFR · 11-29-2006, 4:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GT702

I can't remember when it was, but I had read about someone putting together a study of how to capture the methane from sheep because their polution was threatening that of the cities. I think it was in Australia or New Zealand, maybe 20 years ago, where they had more sheep than people and the daily exhaust was greater than the vehicles. The guy wanted to collect it and use it for powering houses and cars

I have an Aussie or two I'd like to nominate for that task...

Hamburgler · 11-29-2006, 4:38 PM

I wanted to use this as an opportunity to plug JunkScience.com -- Steven Milloy, Publisher. It's a great page to get mostly objective info.

JunkScience.com -- The Real Inconvenient Truth: Greenhouse, global warming and some facts is the specific page that pertains to this topic.

Baketech · 11-29-2006, 4:38 PM

@ CBRSVFR...

Btw....do you have to declare your ethanol emissions in Michigan...

sheepofblue · 11-29-2006, 4:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamburgler

A mole of methane traps about 30 times as much radiant heat as a mole CO2. You can keep breathing as long as you stop farting

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See it is the filthy moles now quit blaming sheep

CBRVFR · 11-29-2006, 4:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Baketech

@ CBRSVFR...

Btw....do you have to declare your ethanol emissions in Michigan...

We were exempt as a small business before I sold the baking operation and just went to manufacturing and freezing. I haven't heard of any retail or grocery-sized operations being hit with that yet. Probably required on a new tunnel oven, though. Thanks for reminding me to stay out of that sandbox.

abtech · 11-29-2006, 4:44 PM

This is the best:

CBR929RE · 11-29-2006, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamburgler

A mole of methane traps about 30 times as much radiant heat as a mole CO2. You can keep breathing as long as you stop farting

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are you my high school Honors Chemistry teacher, Mr. Todd?
if you don't know the answer just convert to moles and you get half credit.

Hamburgler · 11-30-2006, 1:18 PM

Yes, and I am very disappointed with what you have done with your life.

seamus · 11-30-2006, 7:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamburgler

Yes, and I am very disappointed with what you have done with your life.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA

CBR929RE · 11-30-2006, 8:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamburgler

Yes, and I am very disappointed with what you have done with your life.

and I'm very dissappointed in your combover

Proto · 12-01-2006, 5:02 PM

From today's Times:

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Blueberries, raspberries and strawberries are still being picked. Butterflies, dragonflies and even mosquitoes are still flitting about the countryside.

Swallows, blackcaps and chiffchaffs have stayed in Britain for the winter. Lawns need cutting, sheltered trees are still in leaf, thrushes and blackbirds have started to sing. People in Central London yesterday were walking around in short sleeves and pavement cafés were as busy as summer.

Is this the case your side of the pond too? We haven't even put our central heating on at home yet, well occasionally maybe, but it's normally working full bore from early October. No frosts yet either. Anyone want to buy some heated grips?

Autumn blows a raspberry at all thoughts of a big freeze - Newspaper Edition - Times Online

abtech · 12-01-2006, 5:12 PM

Freezing rain and 30 degrees here. Major snow about 2 hours out right now . . .

jaim · 12-01-2006, 5:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Proto

From today's Times:

Is this the case your side of the pond too? We haven't even put our central heating on at home yet, well occasionally maybe, but it's normally working full bore from early October. No frosts yet either. Anyone want to buy some heated grips?

Autumn blows a raspberry at all thoughts of a big freeze - Newspaper Edition - Times Online

What happened to the melting ice from Greenland deluting the salinity of the ocean and stopping the gulf stream short so no more warm water gets to northern Europe and the British isles? And all that was supposed to cause severe cooling in that part of the world.

Damn meterologists have only had about 50 good years of weather data. And even less time to study global effects of weather, water, and sun interaction. We are far from fully understanding all we need to, to make an educated prediction on anything weather related.

If all these people screaming the "Earth is warming up, how do we stop it?" Would instead say. "Lets clean up our air and water so we don't die from pollution." Then maybe all the worry would be justified.

sheepofblue · 12-01-2006, 5:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jaim

What happened to the melting ice from Greenland deluting the salinity of the ocean and stopping the gulf stream short so no more warm water gets to northern Europe and the British isles? And all that was supposed to cause severe cooling in that part of the world.

Damn meterologists have only had about 50 good years of weather data. And even less time to study global effects of weather, water, and sun interaction. We are far from fully understanding all we need to, to make an educated prediction on anything weather related.

If all these people screaming the "Earth is warming up, how do we stop it?" Would instead say. "Lets clean up our air and water so we don't die from pollution." Then maybe all the worry would be justified.

I actually agree Jaim. I think (know) we have improved quality of our environment in the last 50 years in the US. Is there still issues, yes. Is there areas that got worse not better, yes. But if people are rational on the topic I generally support things that will improve the environment

phobiaphobe · 12-01-2006, 7:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Proto

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Is this the case your side of the pond too? ...

Just now coming out of the worst cold snap here in a century.

Baketech · 12-01-2006, 7:30 PM

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Just now coming out of the worst cold snap here in a century.

I've been watching that on the news...you've been getting hammered with cold...

BTW, just rented Inconvenient Truth... going to watch it this weekend just for kicks...

deez · 12-05-2006, 7:28 PM

Gore was on Oprah today discussing this

He took on a critic of the information as well, pretty cool.
He also mentioned 2 of the leading scientific magazines in the US said there was no debate about this.

sheepofblue · 12-05-2006, 7:33 PM

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Originally Posted by deez

Gore was on Oprah today discussing this

He took on a critic of the information as well, pretty cool.
He also mentioned 2 of the leading scientific magazines in the US said there was no debate about this.

Wow Oprah had a liberal on and agreed

abtech · 12-05-2006, 7:34 PM

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Originally Posted by deez

Gore was on Oprah today discussing this

He took on a critic of the information as well, pretty cool.
He also mentioned 2 of the leading scientific magazines in the US said there was no debate about this.

I'll bet Junk Science wasn't one of them.

The difference between Gore and a Used Car Salesman is the Used Car Salesman knows when he's lying . . .

sheepofblue · 12-05-2006, 7:36 PM

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Originally Posted by abtech

I'll bet Junk Science wasn't one of them.

The difference between Gore and a Used Car Salesman is the Used Car Salesman knows when he's lying . . .

But it was 10 degrees below our average low today, surely that is a harbinger of a new ice age.