[ND4SPD]

At least this guy seems to think so: Pennsylvania town mulls recommending guns for all - Yahoo! News

I want to see his bid for the Presidential election

[luvtolean]

When I first heard it, I thought it was terrible.

But it was pointed out to me that this is the "other" side of the Second Amendment, and that the government actually can compel you to own firearms.

Interesting argument.

[Mojave954]

Yeah, that is the ticket. Arm everyone. Back in the day of the Wild Wild West people sure were a lot more polite that is for sure.

[rotorblade]

It'd make ya think twice before doing something terrible.

[nhfirefighter13]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

... the government actually can compel you to own firearms.

Isn't there a country or two over in Europe that has some law such as that? Or am I smokin crack?

[ND4SPD]

Originally Posted by nhfirefighter13

Isn't there a country or two over in Europe that has some law such as that? Or am I smokin crack?

Switzerland is one of them I believe

[luvtolean]

Yeah, of course, like Switzerland. But they don't have our Constitution.

The Constitution only guarantees the right of citizens to bear arms, it nowhere says the government cannot force you to bear arms.

Since most of the people on this site are young to middle aged males, we are technically part of the militia, and the government can compel us.

I think if this case ends up in court, and gets passed the municipal law hurdle and on to the actual gun stuff, Brady would be none too pleased with some of the legal issues that would be forced to be examined...

[navydevildoc]

There was already a town in Georgia or Florida that did this years ago... I will have to google it to find it.

[jaim]

Anyone know the back story on this? What prompted the legislation? Kind of an odd law. Especially when citizens have the right to own guns if they want to. To me it seems like legislation to actually exclude and possibly expel someone from the town. Gun ownership is assumed to be associated with a certain type of person. And and refusal to own guns is assumed to be associated with another type of person. And the later may not be welcomed in that town.

[Quick 26]

[deftones156]

Funny enough, I was having a discussion with a friend of mine (Former Recon Marine) a few summers ago, and he said that he thinks everyone should have a conceal and carry permit. His reasoning being that it would make you think twice before engaging in some sort of crime. If you knew that on average 5 out of the 10 people in that convenience store would be carrying handguns, you'd probably think pretty hard before deciding to rob it versus if you suspected no one had a gun. The entire discussion was not that shortsighted, but it was an interesting one nonetheless.
Now I don't honestly think that every state would enact a CCW permit (neither does he) but I do see his reasoning.

[steingar]

Haven't a couple states already passed conceal and carry laws? It would seem an interesting and simple analysis to determine if the legislation functions as its proponents have predicted.

luvtolean would enjoy it, since he would be able to continually defend himself from the forces of evil lurking in the slums of Orange County.

[deftones156]

Originally Posted by steingar

Haven't a couple states already passed conceal and carry laws? It would seem an interesting and simple analysis to determine if the legislation functions as its proponents have predicted.

luvtolean would enjoy it, since he would be able to continually defend himself from the forces of evil lurking in the slums of Orange County.

Yeah, some states have it. I don't know if studying crime in Utah is applicable to crime in a more populated state with more urban areas. What do I know though...

[luvtolean]

CA has a concealed carry law, that is based on your local Sheriff. (Which I assure you is an extremely flawed system)

OC being a center of comparitive logic in the middle of LA (political) morons, they're actually pretty easy to get.

Jaim, I'm curious. What "kind" of people own guns?

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

CA has a concealed carry law, that is based on your local Sheriff. (Which I assure you is an extremely flawed system)

OC being a center of comparitive logic in the middle of LA (political) morons, they're actually pretty easy to get.

Jaim, I'm curious. What "kind" of people own guns?

Sheep

[gt702]

Originally Posted by navydevildoc

There was already a town in Georgia or Florida that did this years ago... I will have to google it to find it.

Can't remember the name, but I believe it is a town near Atlanta. City ordinance demanded every house have a gun and everyone get trained to use it. My understanding is it went from one of the worst cities for crime to one of the best ... as noted before, no one knew who else had a gun on them, and they knew every house was armed.

[bikerboy1974]

Originally Posted by steingar

Haven't a couple states already passed conceal and carry laws? It would seem an interesting and simple analysis to determine if the legislation functions as its proponents have predicted.

luvtolean would enjoy it, since he would be able to continually defend himself from the forces of evil lurking in the slums of Orange County.

Yes, Minnesota was one of them. I'm not sure how it stands now, but I have my conceal and carry permit issued to me by the State. You have to take a class and pass an extensive background check and you can get it. They are having debates on it, however, because a little over a year ago a man was shot by a drunk that had his conceal and carry, all because he was cutting him off for the night. There are signs on almost every building here now that say something to the extent of "we do not allow firearms on this property" or something to that affect. I just feel privelaged that the constitution allows us to carry if we so wish.

[bikerboy1974]

Only reason I received mine so easily is that I already have a Federal Firearms permit that I acquired so I could collect. Now the feds come and view my home to see how many and what kinds I possess. I have nothing to hide so it's all good!

[dattaway]

The patrol officers in my neighborhood encourage gun ownership at neighborhood meetings. They say they want the neighborhoods they work in to be safer.

[Quick 26]

there are still some people that should not be allowed to own, or look at a gun. or procreate

[gt702]

Originally Posted by Quick 26

there are still some people that should not be allowed to own, or look at a gun. or procreate

[bikerboy1974]

Originally Posted by dattaway

The patrol officers in my neighborhood encourage gun ownership at neighborhood meetings. They say they want the neighborhoods they work in to be safer.

Only thing that scares me is the fact that pushing in that way can make the neighborhoods more unstable that safer. It's a scary thing the way giving a gun to certain people changes their attitudes, and vigilantes can be a scary thing. Now the laws are so uncertain, you really have to be overly trained with them, because the person that breaks into your house is getting more and more rights as the years go on. Guns pulled or not pulled...dark or light in the house...were they facing you or not...all those things can be very distinct issues that some won't think about before they shoot. I believe in the "eye for an eye" system, but that hasn't applied for a long time now!

[bikerboy1974]

Originally Posted by Quick 26

there are still some people that should not be allowed to own, or look at a gun. or procreate

I totally agree!

[ihatecrashing]

Washington DC has a "no-gun" policy and has some of the highest violent crime rates in the country. I know it's a cliche but it is true, if you take guns away from law-abiding citizens, only criminals will have guns.

[dattaway]

Originally Posted by bikerboy1974

Now the laws are so uncertain, you really have to be overly trained with them, because the person that breaks into your house is getting more and more