[stoney0422]

If all of the "illegal mexican freeloading whores" as you call them went back to mexico and stopped working for pennies an hour off the books to clean rooms, wash dishes, build houses and malls, harvest fruit, repair cars, and generally bust their asses, the economy of nearly 9 US states would be in a state of emergency. Watch c-span once in a while, and access some statistical data before you spout off typical ignorant party-line falsehoods. I served too, and remember what we served for (even if we don't agree on other stuff), to defend the Constitution against all enemies...foreign and domestic, and part of that document is the right to free speech. Like 'em or hate 'em, the illegals are part of the machine. And they pay tons of taxes...Property taxes, sales taxes, etc. They may not pay income taxes, but employers get to save on payroll taxes and extra labor to do paperwork, so it is win win.

So here I sit almost out of the military and i cant find a decent job, let alone a job mowing lawns for 12 dollars an hour because the ilegal imigrants are here. What am I supposed to do deal with it? and if companies like making the extra dime supporting theses illegal immigrants then they should be shut down. and about okinawa these foreign countries definately need us there, like previously mentioned, the economy does better, just look at how many businesses sit around military installations, and its also political, we have nukes placed all around the world so every country we occupy has a little power, no one wants to mess with a country we occupy unless they are ready to fight. Many countries dont have a great army, air force, navy or much of any force at all but when we occupy they have U.S. support and that stands for something, we have all of those plus nuclear capability.

So, if you believe illegal imigrants are ok..... your wrong, if you believe these countries dont want us there.... your wrong, and if you arent going to support what america stands for, the troops and keeping those who dont belong here out, then you are wrong and you should go live in france!!

[analogbear]

Originally Posted by stoney0422

So here I sit almost out of the military and i cant find a decent job, let alone a job mowing lawns for 12 dollars an hour because the ilegal imigrants are here. What am I supposed to do deal with it? and if companies like making the extra dime supporting theses illegal immigrants then they should be shut down.
So, if you believe illegal imigrants are ok..... your[you're] wrong, if you believe these countries dont want us there.... your[you're] wrong, and if you arent going to support what america stands for, the troops and keeping those who dont belong here out, then you are wrong and you should go live in france!!

As we wouldn't have a country at all without France helping and distracting England during our Revolutionary period, and during the French and Indian War, it is not too much of an insult.

How long did you serve, like 2-3 years? Try my 8...

Dude, you are only 20.

Go to school (real school, like an actual university/college, not some certificate program), get some education and a degree or two, and then try to find a "decent" job. You will, with a good degree and a military background. Or, try to get into the Post Office...If you can deal with the Gov't bullshit from the military, you can easily handle the P.O...Or try a local Police Dept...I assume you were an MP (the little badge under your avatar-area) And, they don't require any education (or much, anyway) from Military Vet's.

Now, to your insulting post:

Dude, I never said undocumented workers were "O.K." I just said they were an integral part of the economy. That is a fact. I may not like it, you obviously don't -so we agree- but to ignore it is to live in a dream world.

So, what do we do about it?

To think that the most offensive companies are making "extra" because of the use of illegals is also to ignore the facts of the economic-labor issue here in the US. Most of the worst offenders on this issue need really cheap labor, just to keep themselves in business. Very few of these companies are reeling in Enron-style or Exxon-Mobil style profits. Most are making enough to pay all of the workers, plus enough corporate profit to not have the shareholders or the executive board sell-off the company, putting all of the employees (illegal and LEGAL) out of work.

And, I doubt there are any illegals making $12.00 per hour cutting grass.


Now to the Geo-political issue you raised:

In most of the places where we have a presence outside the USA, although some of the Gov'ts may want us there and the money we spend there helps their economies, most local agencies and many individuals who deal with American servicemembers on a daily basis might prefer to not have us there. This is a particularly sensitive issue in a place like Okinawa; as the Japanese government, at whose request we are in Okinawa, is itself viewed as an occupier by the Okinawan people, we are like 3rd-party occupier...They (the people) really dont want us or the Japanese Gov't there.

Now, to be a little insulting myself, I don't think you even know what America stands for. If you do, then articulate it.

I support the troops, was a troop myself for nearly a decade, and wish they were not being killed for the wrong reasons, or posted away from their families for so long. The people who are not supporting our troops are the ones sending them far away from home to die in the name of lies, profit, and imperialism, and then betraying them by hospitalizing them in filthy deplorable conditions.

As far as keeping people "out," unless you are Native American, we were all "illegal" at one time or another, so grow up. Stop bitching about it, and write your congressman with a well-reasoned plan for both border security and immigration, if you can think of one without just sounding like an anti-hispanic bigot.

[Macattack]

WOW! This is all a little heavy on the mayonaisse.

Remember we are all the same regardless of where we live.......we are just tiny irrelevant beings on this planet where Mother Nature could kill us all in an instant.

Peace to all brothers and sisters!

[sinfuldragon]

Originally Posted by analogbear

And, I doubt there are any illegals making $12.00 per hour cutting grass.

Vero Beach Florida. Worked with some about 7 years ago that made more than that cash under the table.

[marius]

what can i say.i stay in south africa want to import a electronic component from the states and the company told me straight they are not intressted on helping me.cause of that i cant go and say all americans are racist basterds i think i agree with rb1.think before speak.

[analogbear]

Originally Posted by sinfuldragon

Vero Beach Florida. Worked with some about 7 years ago that made more than that cash under the table.

Impressive...The ones here make about $5.00/hr.

[sinfuldragon]

Originally Posted by marius

what can i say.i stay in south africa want to import a electronic component from the states and the company told me straight they are not intressted on helping me.cause of that i cant go and say all americans are racist basterds i think i agree with rb1.think before speak.

Sure you can, deep down most are regardless if they want to admit it or not. Shouldn't be that way but the fact is thats the way it is. Black, While, Yellow, Brown... all of them have racist issues

[analogbear]

Originally Posted by Macattack

WOW! This is all a little heavy on the mayonaisse.

Remember we are all the same regardless of where we live.......we are just tiny irrelevant beings on this planet where Mother Nature could kill us all in an instant.

Peace to all brothers and sisters!

Sorry, sorry.

[sinfuldragon]

Originally Posted by analogbear

Impressive...The ones here make about $5.00/hr.

I'm sure they were only making that because well its a beach town in Fl. Hell I know a lot of the residents down there would pay them to do private work for them after they got off work for 8 or 9 an hour.

[analogbear]

They pick'em up here in trucks, and pay them a flat fee for the day as a laborer, or an hourly rate as everything else...Last time I hang out with them the going rate was around $8.

[TITANIT]

Sorry I don't mean to jump in the middle of this debate but I'm in need of some information if anyone can assist. I am soon to be stationed at Kadena and I currently ride and Aprilia RSV 1000R. I have been told not to bring it but I was curious what are the G.I's riding there? And what is the no b.s. rule on shipping a bike to Tokyo every two years for inspection?? What type of inspection and how much does it cost? I hear it only applies to bikes bigger than 250cc, which is probably every rice rocket over there....haha. Anyhow I guess I am just needing some reassurance that the 4 years I am gonna be there that I will be able to ride something that doesn't cost and arm and a leg. Also I already have my MSF Experienced rider course completed, I teach it here in ID. Thanks guys.

[stoney0422]

i forgot about this post, well to start with i am not a racist bigot at all i have no problem with anyone immigrating to the US as long as it is done legally, we need to only allow so many and keep a decent amount of control over the issue. update on the job as well... I worked for TSA at the airport but as of the 20th which is 2 days away i am going to be a border patrol agent! so it should work out alright. and also i apologize for my angry rant after reading it i was a little upset i suppose. I will stay off the soap box next time if i am in a bad mood. sorry again

[Okinawa929]

Originally Posted by TITANIT

Sorry I don't mean to jump in the middle of this debate but I'm in need of some information if anyone can assist. I am soon to be stationed at Kadena and I currently ride and Aprilia RSV 1000R. I have been told not to bring it but I was curious what are the G.I's riding there? And what is the no b.s. rule on shipping a bike to Tokyo every two years for inspection?? What type of inspection and how much does it cost? I hear it only applies to bikes bigger than 250cc, which is probably every rice rocket over there....haha. Anyhow I guess I am just needing some reassurance that the 4 years I am gonna be there that I will be able to ride something that doesn't cost and arm and a leg. Also I already have my MSF Experienced rider course completed, I teach it here in ID. Thanks guys.

Hey brother Just wanted to let you know that you will have fun in Okinawa.

There is a local riders forum. ggOk. All of your questions can be answered there and you will meet some friends before you even get here. Sign up and look me up. oki929.

[FB1000inPA]

Just a little question:

Why are so many posting the term racism?
Shouldn't it be nationalism or is every service man in Okinawa of the same race?

[TITANIT]

Originally Posted by Okinawa929

Hey brother Just wanted to let you know that you will have fun in Okinawa.

There is a local riders forum. ggOk. All of your questions can be answered there and you will meet some friends before you even get here. Sign up and look me up. oki929.

Thanks for the quick response OKI929. That info really helps out. C-ya on the road.

[Okinawa929]

Originally Posted by TITANIT

Thanks for the quick response OKI929. That info really helps out. C-ya on the road.

Send me a pm when you get on the site. ggOk

[matthews_811]

Originally Posted by rb1

Before you go around calling people racists, stop to think how you would feel if some foreign government occupied 20% of your home country with their military personel-- people who didn't think like you, didn't look like you, didn't speak like you, didn't act like you. Now, imagine that some of those foreign military agents kidnapped and raped your sisters and daughters from time to time, for their amusement. Would you be inclined to help those foreigners obtain their toys?

Wait a minute, isn't this what the U.S. is. Not to get to political, but when I am running around and see and here people talking, I here less English than I do Spanish or Asian of some sort. So, besides the military portion of this statement sounds like what we deal with every day in the U.S.

[Spittmonkey]

Originally Posted by rb1

Before you go around calling people racists, stop to think how you would feel if some foreign government occupied 20% of your home country with their military personel-- people who didn't think like you, didn't look like you, didn't speak like you, didn't act like you. Now, imagine that some of those foreign military agents kidnapped and raped your sisters and daughters from time to time, for their amusement. Would you be inclined to help those foreigners obtain their toys?

I'd take that bet, and I'd win. You know nothing about me.
The point is: many of the residents of Okinawa feel the way I described. That doesn't make them racists. That means they don't like being an occupied country, and they aren't too pleased with the people occupying their land.
How would you like it if Mexico occupied 20% of Texas with their military bases? What if it were China, or Russia, or Syria, etc.?

You are being selective or otherwise leaving out important points. As well your statement of US occupies 20% of Japan is utterly ubsurd and not true.

Before any of my opinions are retorted, I would like to mention that I have lived here in Okinawa for 8 years, have an Okinawan for a wife, and my children go to an Okinawan school, I drink Orion with my Okinawan father-in-law. Oh, , an I have been serving my country for 16 years.

I'll put it in caps so those that don't want to read on can summarize :

THE BRAKE INSPECTION IS NOT ABOUT RACISISM NOR DISPLEASURE WITH US PRESENSE, IT IS ABOUT JAPAN MAKING A BUCK OFF OF IMPORTS (and in many, many cases, it's at the sake of Okinawa).

the US occupies 20% of Okinawa, a prefecture (not country) of Japan. An Island which is 72 miles long and 17 miles wide at its widest point and has a population just barely peaking 1 million. Hardly a footprint on the entire country, and no where near the ratio of immigrants in the US.
Japan could give 2 sh!ts less what the US does in Okinawa for the most part as long as we don't get horrid ie. murders and rapes (Okinawa is by far the poorest prefecture with the lowest GDP).
In fact the brake inspection is a way for the mainland government to make a buck (or yen) off of Okinawa at the expense of the Ryuku Island.
In fact, many Okinawans love the military here you are simply incorrect in your statments on that view JP1. Now many don't appreciate the number of belligerant, bigoted, loud mouthed gaijiin that run around like their sh!t dont stink, and take no iniative to learn language or practice sommon curtosey, but we do that in America to our immigrants so give and take I guess.
I have had a wonderful time here with the locals, I lived in Nago and was a part of the local community there, I must say I was accepted in reserve at times but after the initial meeting, I couldn't have made better friends. I took the initiative to learn the language and culture (mainly cause it's one of the things that piss me off about immigrants in the US) and it opened doors that changed my life. I now live in Awase and its equally pleasant.

While there are those that are racist here, more are from mainland than Oki, to label an entire nation as such is somewhat bigoted IMO but to each his own.

I would say the majority. their economy depends on the military. However the money for the brake inspection goes to mainland and in fact the inspection is done there as well, the Oki ppl don't make crap off of it. It's all part of Japans overall trade diplomacy of more exports and less imports.

The original poster would be incorrect to call Okinawans racist, those from mainland though, well that is another arguement as mentioned above. But tell me one nation on the planet that doesn't have it's share of racist or "nationalist" folk?

Hell, half the protests in Okinawa are from people that reside in mainland but are pushing their anti US adgenda. Some even buy small plots of land here (as little as 4'x4') just to have the right to say they protest the US being on their land.

I find it funny that we have to pay to import a bike that came from Japan in the first place. Therin lies the irony of it all.

Point is that the Okinawans are pissed that the Japaneese keep the military here, but get little recoup out of the deal. Japan is making millions off of the US at the expense of the island of Okinawa.

Don't be pissed at the locals, be pissed at the polotics of the mainland.

As far as the bike goes, I'm in the same boat. I'm looking for a bike but it's hard to find one on island, I'd be better to order a new Harley from the Car Sales Program, just not sure I want a Harley.

Hopefully I can get up on some of the forums and hook up with a good buy.

[MCR001]

Originally Posted by rb1

Before you go around calling people racists, stop to think how you would feel if some foreign government occupied 20% of your home country with their military personel-- people who didn't think like you, didn't look like you, didn't speak like you, didn't act like you. Now, imagine that some of those foreign military agents kidnapped and raped your sisters and daughters from time to time, for their amusement. Would you be inclined to help those foreigners obtain their toys?

I dont hate Americans but you have to step back for a second and understand that you reap what you sow. .

[swoop1156]

To the OP:

I don't have time to comment on how wrong you are with the people of Okinawa. I was there for two years and it was the best time of my life. I'm not even going to bother reading this entire thread right now.

I'll do it later, but for real -- you need to chill with your words and the calling people racists and bastards. They are wonderful people.