[MR_TiGGer]

But the Republicans don't tend to favor employers, historically I understand they always favor the employers, corporations etc, while the Dems get accused of being weak trying to help the little guy.

Minimum wage caused huge upset in the business sector crying that companies would collapses overnight, unable to compete with the rest of Europe doom gloom etc etc, didn't happen ever, not once, and it gets increased every two years, sometimes sooner to attempt to stay in line with inflation, and a bit more.

No country is perfect, but it's a shame that lessons can't be learnt from others, just to help people on a bit.

You mentioned healthcare, that's free over here, bit of a waiting list sometimes but free none the less, can't imagine a world were I'd have to worry how I'd pay if my wife was hurt, or I needed my CBR surgically removed ............ but that's something else entirely

[analogbear]

Originally Posted by MR_TiGGer

But the Republicans don't tend to favor employers, historically I understand they always favor the employers, corporations etc, while the Dems get accused of being weak trying to help the little guy.

I am lost. Do you agree or disagree?

Minimum wage caused huge upset in the business sector crying that companies would collapses overnight, unable to compete with the rest of Europe doom gloom etc etc, didn't happen ever, not once, and it gets increased every two years, sometimes sooner to attempt to stay in line with inflation, and a bit more.

No country is perfect, but it's a shame that lessons can't be learnt from others, just to help people on a bit.

You mentioned healthcare, that's free over here, bit of a waiting list sometimes but free none the less, can't imagine a world were I'd have to worry how I'd pay if my wife was hurt, or I needed my CBR surgically removed ............ but that's something else entirely

Help people? what are ya, a Communist? Just kidding! You're right, though. It would be nice to learn from history or from a basic consideration about what is right. Unfortunately, the golden rule still generally applies...He who has the gold makes the rules...

We get the same tired arguments against increasing min wage here. It isn't that the arguments aren't valid --they are. But, as I said, either side is missing half of the real point, that economics is a fluid system, not a mere set of rules.

I might consider those emergencies, and the emergency gets treated first, then the bills come...

[MR_TiGGer]

Originally Posted by analogbear

I am lost. Do you agree or disagree?

Agree 100%

Originally Posted by analogbear

Help people? what are ya, a Communist? Just kidding! You're right, though. It would be nice to learn from history or from a basic consideration about what is right. Unfortunately, the golden rule still generally applies...He who has the gold makes the rules...

............ and helps his friends get more gold too

[analogbear]

No doubt...Now, if only I can get some of that...

[MR_TiGGer]

Got friends in Congress? No? Too bad loser you're stuck with the rest of us

[leelover]

I heard a story some where that the custom of tipping started in a British establishment. As it goes they had some receptacle for money labeled " To Insure Promptness".
anybody else heard that one?

[MR_TiGGer]

Originally Posted by leelover

I heard a story some where that the custom of tipping started in a British establishment. As it goes they had some receptacle for money labeled " To Insure Promptness".
anybody else heard that one?

Well it's common in pubs and restaurants over here, for all staff to put the tips in a jar, to be split amongst all the service staff not just those waiting tables but the chefs, kitchen staff and the greeters etc etc, not the management though.
Either weekly, monthly or even annually. It's not taxable and does not affect their wages in ANY way ....... how backwards we are in little Britain

[sinfuldragon]

Originally Posted by MR_TiGGer

Well it's common in pubs and restaurants over here, for all staff to put the tips in a jar, to be split amongst all the service staff not just those waiting tables but the chefs, kitchen staff and the greeters etc etc, not the management though.
Either weekly, monthly or even annually. It's not taxable and does not affect their wages in ANY way ....... how backwards we are in little Britain

you know us silly Americans... If we aren't right, we still aren't as wrong as you

[MR_TiGGer]

[leelover]

Originally Posted by sinfuldragon

you know us silly Americans... If we aren't right, we still aren't as wrong as you

[leelover]

Originally Posted by MR_TiGGer

[firebladetoronto]

To Insure Promptness

Tiping rules

Tip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[leelover]

Originally Posted by firebladetoronto

To Insure Promptness

Tiping rules

Tip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks That Wiki info is good to know.
Seems to me the lesson is: Do your home work if you are going to another country, and when in Rome...

[analogbear]

Originally Posted by leelover

Thanks That Wiki info is good to know.
Seems to me the lesson is: Do your home work if you are going to another country, and when in Rome...

I agree, but like Steve Martin in My Blue Heaven, I over-tip everybody!

[jhonda41]

Originally Posted by analogbear

I agree, but like Steve Martin in My Blue Heaven, I over-tip everybody!

Is your dog named fungo too?

[MR_TiGGer]

Originally Posted by leelover

Thanks That Wiki info is good to know.
Seems to me the lesson is: Do your home work if you are going to another country, and when in Rome...

It would seem a safe way to 'enjoy' your holiday, smart too

(From Wikipedia)
United Kingdom


Tipping throughout the UK is strictly optional. A tip may be offered for good service in a restaurant, barber's, hairdresser's or for a taxi journey but it is clearly understood that a tip will not necessarily be given. If the person hoping for a tip were to ask for a tip or indicate that a tip was insufficient, then the customer would be likely to get angry and complain.

That's me by the way

[forceten]

I like to tip very well. Most times 40-70% depending on the place. But I will tip very low and complain to the manager if service is very bad. I don't think I ever left no tip though.

I went to brunch a while back and the bill was $40 for 2 so I tip $20. Service was pretty good. $120 bill is $40-$50 tip (if the service was good)

I started doing a new thing a while back that works very well so much so I use it all the time now.

I grab lots of rolls of $1 gold coins from the bank. Whenever my server comes to my table to bring anything for any reason they get a $1 gold coin (unless its a fancy high class place, then i don't do that).

Most all of them look at the first coin with a puzzled look when they bring water to the table. I tell em its for the great service so far. Then bread another $1, extra napkins $1, and for anything else $1. by the 3rd or 4th $1 they get the clue and the rest of the night is very very good service. I still tip at the end also (which surprises them). I had one place that had not only my regular waitress bringing things but other waitresses were bringing my drinks also and getting $1's. Hehe I had one girl had to shoo away her competition and said it was almost like i was cheating on her with the other waitresses. Always a fun night out I can tell ya.

Here in the states, if you ain't got the money to spend on tips then make something home and stay in.

[A.F.T.C.T.T.G.]

Bedtime reading:
Advanced Tipology - Oct. 8, 2001

[MR_TiGGer]

Originally Posted by A.F.T.C.T.T.G.

Bedtime reading:
Advanced Tipology - Oct. 8, 2001

Very interesting reading especially the

It turned out that countries with the most extroverted and neurotic citizens (the United States leads in both categories) tipped the largest amounts and to the greatest number of professions. "Extroverts are outgoing, dominating, social people -- and tipping is an incentive for the server to pay you attention. Neurotics are prone to guilt and generalized anxiety -- maybe they tip more because of guilt over status differences between themselves and the server," Lynn says.

That was funny to the guy from England .... and you know our views about tipping by now

[leelover]

Originally Posted by MR_TiGGer

That was funny to the guy from England .... and you know our views about tipping by now

And coming from you we will take that as a compliment!

[MR_TiGGer]

Originally Posted by leelover

And coming from you we will take that as a compliment!

Sure we can call it that

[BMW.Nick]

There are plenty of restaurants in the US that don't require a tip. Mcdonalds, Arby's Taco bell. They all make a flat hourly rate and you get the service you'd expect from such a restaurant...horrible.

I get a bit upset with this whole debate and have a hard time remainging "cool" when talking about it. People take jobs as servers in the US with the understanding that their income will come from the public. Simple philosophy; do a good job, get rewarded...do a bad job, get stiffed. What motivates a person more than money?

If people are too cheap or self righteous to leave a tip, like the rest of the country...then either stay at home or eat fast food. Tipping is part of our society, plain and simple. If you don't tip and frequent a restaurant, dont whine when the level of service you recieve declines.

There two types of people that are renowned for being poor tippers. Most all foreigners (which a lot of the time can be written off as ignorance to the ways of our society; they don't tip where they are from and have not yet been privied to our culture) and like it or not...black people. I have yet to figure this one out, but nevertheless, black people as a majority are known as being poor tippers.

and I ramble on...

[SamoanzRR]

Originally Posted by ConqSoft

For me:

Bad Service: 0%
Acceptable Service: 15%
Outstanding Service: 20% (or more in a few cases)

Thats the average as far as I know...

[SamoanzRR]

although i think a small tip pisses them off more......

[slorider18]

Originally Posted by BMW.Nick

There are plenty of restaurants in the US that don't require a tip. Mcdonalds, Arby's Taco bell. They all make a flat hourly rate and you get the service you'd expect from such a restaurant...

i don't know if you can classify those as "resturants".

I have no problem leaving a tip. i base the tip on my drink. (usually soda). if that glass goes empty the tip is going down every minute it remains empty.

if i have to start drinking water because the glass is empty too long they are losing their tip.

if my glass always has soda in it then they will get the 15% standard.

if my glass has soda and the bring me one on deck so i don't have to wait for them, and they really put in some effort to show us a good time i will leave a big fat tip.

we live in a small town, when you return they remember.