It's Time To Vote

.OrgOwner · 09-23-2008, 9:11 PM

The fireblades version of the US election. Call it a poll if you like but lets get the ball rolling and see who is going to win this race. Vote in our poll and by all means state your reasons in this thread. Anyone can vote as the result of this election has global implications.

Maholli · 09-23-2008, 10:23 PM

I haven't really made up my mind yet.. McCain is old, and has been in Washington for I think 30 years, I think most people want a change in Washington, out with all the "old school",politicians.. Iam concerned with Obamas lack of experience, his foreign policy experience is very little. But he is a fresh face and very intelligent, and it seems like more Americans can relate to him vs McCain. I'm still up in the air..

.OrgOwner · 09-23-2008, 10:30 PM

Is it important that McCAin should be at least computer literate? Does that point indicate that he is somewhat out of touch with the modern world?

sheepofblue · 09-23-2008, 10:35 PM

The Ovine Party will steal less than anyone else you elect (despite being left out) the rest all suck to a high degree.

Stick · 09-23-2008, 11:23 PM

Its not that he chooses not to use computers. He simply can't due to what they did to him in the pow camp. His arms got mangled. And I don't like the fact that Obama is nothing more than a democratic party puppet with no good ideas.

mark2119 · 09-23-2008, 11:47 PM

I'm favoring voting for None of the above at this point!!! You cant ask people to vote for the lesser of two evils.

350 million people in the US and these are the best candidates we can find that are willing to take the job!!!

.OrgOwner · 09-23-2008, 11:51 PM

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350 million people in the US and these are the best candidates we can find that are willing to take the job!!!

Is the system broken then?

mark2119 · 09-24-2008, 12:02 AM

Its not that the system is broken, but that it cannot evolve fast enough to keep up with the times.

Surffrog · 09-26-2008, 6:54 AM

The system is in fine fettle. It's just doing what a "select few" want it to do. Go ahead vote for "riding your bike instead. It probably won't make the blindest bit of difference

And with respect Stick, I've seen people with no arms finding a way to use a computer. McCain just plain can't or can't be bothered.

LoopyLee · 09-26-2008, 1:57 PM

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Anyone can vote as the result of this election has global implications.

Thats the bit which worries me the most.. things happening in the US have a habit of spreading their repercussions worldwide..

Surffrog · 09-29-2008, 11:31 AM

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Thats the bit which worries me the most.. things happening in the US have a habit of spreading their repercussions worldwide..

Well, the UK had a choice. We could have maintained focus on Asia and gone into the EU in full. Guess we trust the US more than the French and the Germans... Oh, and we refused to lose the pound and pints!

LoopyLee · 09-29-2008, 11:33 AM

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Oh, and we refused to lose the pound and pints!

Damn right.. and I still measure in feet and inches

Surffrog · 09-29-2008, 11:35 AM

Oh and I forgot to say that we also refused to let them rule us from Europe. That was definitely a no no for me!

.OrgOwner · 10-02-2008, 12:38 AM

Look at the poll results it's split right down the middle. We need more voters here...

FB1000inPA · 10-10-2008, 12:13 PM

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Well, the UK had a choice. We could have maintained focus on Asia and gone into the EU in full. Guess we trust the US more than the French and the Germans... Oh, and we refused to lose the pound and pints!

Yep, nationalism sometimes has its down sides. Frankly, it has nothing to do anymore in today's societies.
Personally I find it funny for people to say I don't like this or that country. I just mention soccer and how poor some nations perform.

Economy is the new battlefield. All that counts is money and wealth - the more the better.

FB1000inPA · 10-10-2008, 12:14 PM

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Look at the poll results it's split right down the middle. We need more voters here...

Why? You hope for more democrats to show up?

Surffrog · 10-13-2008, 8:01 AM

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Yep, nationalism sometimes has its down sides. Frankly, it has nothing to do anymore in today's societies.
Personally I find it funny for people to say I don't like this or that country. I just mention soccer and how poor some nations perform.

Rude bastard, I haven't forgetten

I was just thinking, if we could swing the undecided's over to the "go and ride my bike instead, we'd win!

setanta · 10-13-2008, 9:28 AM

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Well, the UK had a choice. We could have maintained focus on Asia and gone into the EU in full. Guess we trust the US more than the French and the Germans... Oh, and we refused to lose the pound and pints!

Typical british insular attitude and as far as lbs and pints go most of the kids here wouldn have a clue what your talking about. Ironic isnt it???

Surffrog · 10-14-2008, 2:11 AM

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Oh and I forgot to say that we also refused to let them rule us from Europe. That was definitely a no no for me!

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Typical british insular attitude and as far as lbs and pints go most of the kids here wouldn have a clue what your talking about. Ironic isnt it???

True, but even if that weren't the case my point above would have put a spanner in the European camp's works.

I take it you're for the Euro? Interesting. Many of my French and Spanish friends where completely supportive of the plan for about a year. They have all since changed their view!

WyoJames · 10-14-2008, 2:58 AM

my vote doesn't matter anyway

.OrgOwner · 10-14-2008, 2:59 AM

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Why? You hope for more democrats to show up?

Well I'm not sure why you would think that, I was just hoping to see a larger sample to see if there is a trend one way or the other.

Surffrog · 10-14-2008, 3:00 AM

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my vote doesn't matter anyway

Go on then, James. I'll play. Why doesn't it matter?

setanta · 10-14-2008, 7:29 AM

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True, but even if that weren't the case my point above would have put a spanner in the European camp's works.

I take it you're for the Euro? Interesting. Many of my French and Spanish friends where completely supportive of the plan for about a year. They have all since changed their view!

Most of the legislations that are filtering into our system are European based anyway, I think once again being afraid of being ruled (governed/dictated) by Europe is a mental state of the mind.

Having an open relationship with Europe would be such a great thing for the average brit as they seem to be so narrow minded. If nothing else more kids would grow up speaking a second language. One of the great things I love about the mainland is that most folks can speak (or at least communicate) in a few languages.

As for the Euro yeah Im for it but god the coins are something else

Surffrog · 10-14-2008, 10:54 AM

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Most of the legislations that are filtering into our system are European based anyway, I think once again being afraid of being ruled (governed/dictated) by Europe is a mental state of the mind.

So they'll take the UK by stealth because they haven't got the balls to give us a referendum.

Sorry, mate. But it isn't narrow-minded to want to be ruled by your own country. I know I was joking and being flippant about the pint, but with all due respect, the pound is a strong alternative currency and I see no reason to throw out the baby with the bath water.

I take it you're Scotts from your info. If so, how do you stand regarding independence from England? I for one, having the vast majority of my ancestors coming from Scotland, support them. Why? Because that's what the majority want. They don't want to be ruled by England. It isn't narrow-minded and it isn't difficult to understand.

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Having an open relationship with Europe would be such a great thing for the average brit as they seem to be so narrow minded. If nothing else more kids would grow up speaking a second language. One of the great things I love about the mainland is that most folks can speak (or at least communicate) in a few languages.

But you're not talking about an open relationship. You're talking about not just getting in to bed, but getting married and then becoming the bitch. An open relationship is where we allow free trade, which we do.

Are Brits generally lazy when it comes to learning a different language? Yes, but why? Because so much is conducted in this language and not in French or German. However, I spent much of my youth in various different countries in Europe and lived in Holland for over a year. I speak (albeit not perfectly) two different languages other than my own. So I'm not anti-European just anti-being ruled by them!

Ask one Frenchman or German how they'd feel about us ruling them and see what response you'd get...

Alyciadad · 10-14-2008, 6:02 PM

This is a prime example of how little Americans really care. This thread has quickly turned into a debate about European politics (not that I mind) and was started as a thread to vote on American Presidential Candidates. Saddening. And on top of that, I see NObama is ahead and not a single comment on why they voted that way.

To me it's a no brainer! Sure either way you go probably isn't the "right" answer, but at least McCain is a proven Countryman. NObama's own wife said that this was the first time she was ever proud of her country...WHAT'S UP WITH THAT! Not to mention in NObama's college career, 3 of his roommates were Pakistani. And on top of that he is friends with a known terrorist Mr. Ayers! Admits it, and makes no apologies! Maybe no one remembers back after 9-11 happened, the terrorists said they were going to attack us from the inside out, infiltrate our political system and bring us down from within. NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO REMEMBER! I'm going to close with a little quote I found from NObama...

"As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides," Obama said. "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might salute it."

It's clear and obvious where this man stands! Race taken completely out of the picture, please America, let's not make this mistake!

WyoJames · 10-14-2008, 6:30 PM

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Go on then, James. I'll play. Why doesn't it matter?

you just had to ruin all the fun for me didn't you

Surffrog · 10-15-2008, 8:01 AM

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you just had to ruin all the fun for me didn't you

A bit harsh, don't you think?

setanta · 10-15-2008, 10:59 AM

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So they'll take the UK by stealth because they haven't got the balls to give us a referendum. Snipped
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Referendum, what difference is that going to create, all that will demonstrate is that the side with the best media hype and campaign will win? If you were to hand out the treaty give everyone a month to read it and then ask them to vote, I would accept it but as has been proven over and over again, the media wins. To prove my point just look across the water at the moment (well you know what I mean). The world has shrunk and being part of Europe will only benefit an individual country. I agree with states that want to be ruled by their own people and don’t believe its narrow mindedness at all, sorry if I gave that impression, especially when the majority elect them. To be honest I don’t see why there is this concern about Europe ruling an individual country, each one is allowed to govern themselves but general decisions for the common well being of each state is taken care of.
I don’t blame the Scots for not wanting to be ruled by England as they have been robbing them blind for so long.
The language thing isn’t about laziness its more pompous insular feelings of superiority. I mean what other country in the world has the audacity to put Great before its name FGS and its this attitude that stops them from openly accepting other languages and cultures. Ok I'm generalizing here, which is not a good thing, I do know that a lot of brits don’t think like that.
You say you want to trade with Europe but not be ruled by them, understandable, but sometimes being ruled can be opaque. IMHO if another country can get you to send your sons to their slaughter for its causes and because you’re so tied up with them that you can’t say no, well in my eyes that’s a fair bit of ruling going on there.
Now a little bit of info that’s going to confuse you even more, I'm not Scottish I'm Irish and fiercely independent. But Id be quite happy with a free Eire well within the confines of Europe

Surffrog · 10-16-2008, 7:19 AM

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Referendum, what difference is that going to create, all that will demonstrate is that the side with the best media hype and campaign will win? If you were to hand out the treaty give everyone a month to read it and then ask them to vote, I would accept it but as has been proven over and over again, the media wins.

Okay, so do it. Give everyone a copy of the treaty and time to read it, then vote. If the vote went against my opinion, I would accept it. Plain and simple.

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To prove my point just look across the water at the moment (well you know what I mean). The world has shrunk and being part of Europe will only benefit an individual country.

Not being part of Europe hasn't hurt Switzerland, has it? They had a referendum and chose independence and are doing well, thank you.

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To be honest I don’t see why there is this concern about Europe ruling an individual country, each one is allowed to govern themselves but general decisions for the common well being of each state is taken care of.

Because it was sold to us by politicians. In my personal opinion, joining Europe certainly helps smaller (economically speaking) countries as the bigger ones carry them. However, the bigger countries then take on a bigger burden. And then there is the bias. Indeed we have already seen this within the trade side of this great European plan. The French and German (not small economies) auto manufacturers made the UK pay nearly three times the price for the same vehicle... very fair. And that doesn't take into consideration the additional costs associated with the food or textile trade.

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I don’t blame the Scots for not wanting to be ruled by England as they have been robbing them blind for so long.

Agreed, even though King James of Scotland came down to England in order to rule Scotland from there. He unfortunately provided the catalyst for such a turn of events. Nevertheless, they want their independence and will get it... eventually.

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The language thing isn’t about laziness its more pompous insular feelings of superiority. I mean what other country in the world has the audacity to put Great before its name FGS and its this attitude that stops them from openly accepting other languages and cultures. Ok I'm generalizing here, which is not a good thing, I do know that a lot of brits don’t think like that.

I think your point would have been valid if we were talking about the Brits around thirty years ago. Today it's about laziness. What would have been more appropriate is if you had brought the absurdity of the name: UNITED Kingdom.

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You say you want to trade with Europe but not be ruled by them, understandable, but sometimes being ruled can be opaque. IMHO if another country can get you to send your sons to their slaughter for its causes and because you’re so tied up with them that you can’t say no, well in my eyes that’s a fair bit of ruling going on there.

Absolutely true. Sadly, Britain sold itself to US control during WWII. It went downhill from there.

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Now a little bit of info that’s going to confuse you even more, I'm not Scottish I'm Irish and fiercely independent. But Id be quite happy with a free Eire well within the confines of Europe

If anything I think I understand you better for knowing that

Surffrog · 10-16-2008, 7:26 AM

Actually, control isn't correct. We gave up the power we had, meaning we would have to (in the future) ally ourselves either to Europe or the US.