Should Obama's Past be a Concern?

denzee · 10-20-2008, 1:43 PM

How do YOU feel about Barack Obama's past/current ties with people such as Bill Ayers and Rev Jeremiah Wright?
Do you feel that , in the past, he has shown questionable judgement with certain affiliations and associations, OR not? If you feel that he has, then should a history of questionable judgement send up a red flag, when considering that person as the next leader of our country? OR are you prepared to move on from his past history, and look forward to what he promises now? Perhaps you believe that the current controversy, concerning Obama's association with Ayers and Wright, should have little to no bearing on his ability to take charge of this country.

FB1000inPA · 10-20-2008, 1:52 PM

My problem with him is that he never openly answered what his ties with these folks really were. Everything is hush hush.

BALDGONZO · 10-20-2008, 2:03 PM

He's only running for the office of president of the U.S.A. Why should that concern anyone.

lanbrown · 10-20-2008, 2:09 PM

The past shows where they will go in the future.

josk1176 · 10-20-2008, 3:33 PM

It should be a concern if he isnt open and honest about it.

TattooedGQ · 10-20-2008, 5:49 PM

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Originally Posted by josk1176

It should be a concern if he isnt open and honest about it.

Which he isnt......The man is an empty suit of only charisma and catch phrases. Frankly, the thought of him being elected frightens me.

steingar · 10-20-2008, 6:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FB1000inPA

My problem with him is that he never openly answered what his ties with these folks really were. Everything is hush hush.

Funny, I remember hearing him discuss it openly during the debate. If you really want to go that route you might want to think about Charles Keating. On the other hand, you could just think about the issues, and what each candidate wants to do. But I guess that would be just to darned difficult.

lanbrown · 10-20-2008, 6:57 PM

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Originally Posted by josk1176

It should be a concern if he isnt open and honest about it.

I'm going to have to disagree here. If you have a sex offender being open about his past and answers all questions, do you still let him open a day care?

stoney0422 · 10-20-2008, 7:22 PM

Obama frightens me for many reasons. Look at how bad Illinois is doing all democrats!!

292 killed (murdered) in Chicago ;
221 killed in Iraq .
Chicago .... Who Runs it?….
Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin

Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr.,

Illinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich,

Illinois House leader Mike Madigan,

Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),

Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J.
Daley)

.....our leadership in Illinois .....all DEMOCRATS.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago .

Of course, they're all blaming each other!

Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!

State pension fund: $44 Billion in debt… worst in country.

Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax: 10.25%... highest in country.
(Look 'em up if you want).

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the
country.

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in
Illinois . And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us?

and then look at what his views on gun ownership. a man is in jail for defending his home and family because he shot the intruder with a handgun and this is against the law in Illinois. He voted against a bill several times that would have made it legal.

His immigration policy is terrible, look it up, big issues. Being a border patrol agent i see the problem first hand. bad people and things come across the border, it needs to end. Not to mention middle easterners have been smuggled into the U.S.!!!!

now Iraq... I was there and in my opinion a fast withdraw would be the worst thing we could do now. thats enough of a rant from me

denzee · 10-20-2008, 9:10 PM

Now those are definitely issues. Yikes!

steingar · 10-20-2008, 9:15 PM

Last time I checked Obama was not the mayor of Chicago.

stoney0422 · 10-21-2008, 1:11 AM

no senator.... do u know how to read???

stoney0422 · 10-21-2008, 1:12 AM

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Originally Posted by stoney0422

Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin

does it say mayor?? maybe i cant read???

steingar · 10-21-2008, 9:20 AM

No, you just don't understand how your government works. Senators are not involved in the day to day management of a large city like Chicago. They are legislators, and make the laws for the nation. Cities are run by executive bodies, usually a mayor and some sort of city council.

Chicago is a mess, and you may feel free to put the responsibility right where it belongs, the residents of Chicago who elected a democrat named Daley, who has been mayor for years. Blaming Obama is like blaming McCain for the lack of water in Arizona.

I guess discussing issues and plans really was too hard.

FB1000inPA · 10-21-2008, 10:00 AM

Best yet. His latest commercial where he stands in the classroom and tells people what they need to do with their children.

stoney0422 · 10-21-2008, 10:30 AM

no i think i do understand... this is the kind of thing he is used to and these are the values far to many democrats relate to. Their ideas are not working!

DragonRider · 10-21-2008, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoney0422

Obama frightens me for many reasons. Look at how bad Illinois is doing all democrats!!

292 killed (murdered) in Chicago ;
221 killed in Iraq .
Chicago .... Who Runs it?….
Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin

Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr.,

Illinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich,

Illinois House leader Mike Madigan,

Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),

Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J.
Daley)

.....our leadership in Illinois .....all DEMOCRATS.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago .

Of course, they're all blaming each other!

Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!

State pension fund: $44 Billion in debt… worst in country.

Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax: 10.25%... highest in country.
(Look 'em up if you want).

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the
country.

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in
Illinois . And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us?

and then look at what his views on gun ownership. a man is in jail for defending his home and family because he shot the intruder with a handgun and this is against the law in Illinois. He voted against a bill several times that would have made it legal.

His immigration policy is terrible, look it up, big issues. Being a border patrol agent i see the problem first hand. bad people and things come across the border, it needs to end. Not to mention middle easterners have been smuggled into the U.S.!!!!

now Iraq... I was there and in my opinion a fast withdraw would be the worst thing we could do now. thats enough of a rant from me

I see all your points here, it's not necesarily his fault as he has nothing to do with the running of Chicago day to day but this is like his political family...the apple usually does not fall far from the tree. These are his constituents, his people, his state...he is there Senator, if he cared he would bring all those people together and try to solve some of his own issues. He can't be our President. I also have seen his voting record as far as firearms are concerned and that is one of his worst attributes. And yes, yanking all US troops out of Iraq at this point would be catastrophic, we started something, we need to finish it, hopefully quickly but we can not jsut turn tail and run away from a problem we created or helped create.

Nobama 2008

sheepofblue · 10-21-2008, 12:46 PM

Past

he attended the church up until after the start of his campaign. His ties to Ayers are harder to tell but at a minimum he began his state campaign at his house and despite his decades of experience...oh wait that was not that long ago either. Oh and toss in his association with Tony Resco. Oh then add that the way he became Senator was his opponent was humiliated and dropped out (unlike most democrats which get promoted).

If you want to go to his past check into the speculation about the person he referenced in his autobiography (how narcissistic was that at his age) in Hawaii that many think was an avowed communist.

He appears to have a long term habit of associating with far left socialists at best. If that is not a problem vote for him. If you think it is not true grab both ears and pull

denzee · 10-21-2008, 1:32 PM

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Originally Posted by steingar

I guess discussing issues and plans really was too hard.

Ok, issues you say. Can we start with redistribution of wealth? It came from Obama's lips himself. We won't use the "S" word though.

dr256 · 10-21-2008, 2:02 PM

It didn't seem to bother America with regards to George Bush, why does it bother you with Obama?

Bush had several companies that were funded by the Bin Laden's prior to his election. Each one went bust, and they still funded the next one....you say Obama has possible to link to terrorists. Bush took cash from the family who leads the terrorists.

Pot Kettle???

sheepofblue · 10-21-2008, 2:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dr256

It didn't seem to bother America with regards to George Bush, why does it bother you with Obama?

Bush had several companies that were funded by the Bin Laden's prior to his election. Each one went bust, and they still funded the next one....you say Obama has possible to link to terrorists. Bush took cash from the family who leads the terrorists.

Pot Kettle???

The Bush family has done business with the Saudi royal family but I call

and demand some links on your statement

denzee · 10-21-2008, 2:15 PM

Right from Religion to Politics eh dr?

Bush wasn't involved with redistribution of wealth to my knowledge.

I also think it was the Bin Laden family he was invoved with who disown Osama.

The terrorist that Obama was involved with is William Ayers who is home grown not to be confused with Musslim Extremists. Besides, I'm not the one who says anything, it's a matter of record.

dr256 · 10-21-2008, 2:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepofblue

The Bush family has done business with the Saudi royal family but I call

and demand some links on your statement

here's a quick link to a transcript of a very respected News program called Newsnight which appears nightly on BBC2 here in the UK. this is not the only program I've seen on the subject but its late here and i wanna go home. So I'll try and find better links tomorrow.

Transcript of BBC Expose on Bush, bin Laden and the Carlyle Group

dr256 · 10-21-2008, 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by denzee

Right from Religion to Politics eh dr?

same thing.
Its all subjective opinion and lies masking the truth, bit like this thread really.

dr256 · 10-21-2008, 3:21 PM

couple more links for you sheep.
Both on the BBC website:

BBC News | UK | Papers picture the young Bin Laden
BBC News | NEWSNIGHT | Greg Palest report transcript - 6/11/01

the second one is the official version of the first link I put up.

sheepofblue · 10-21-2008, 3:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dr256

couple more links for you sheep.
Both on the BBC website:

BBC News | UK | Papers picture the young Bin Laden
BBC News | NEWSNIGHT | Greg Palest report transcript - 6/11/01

the second one is the official version of the first link I put up.

OK have not seen the one. But that is Bin Laden's brother and it ended 27 years ago and there was no follow on noted with other family members. Further at that time was Bin Laden himself involved in terror yet? Contrast that with Ayers where he was a KNOWN and unrepentent terrorist when Obama campaigned in his house (with Ayer's terrorist killer wife also there). He then sat on multiple boards with him. Disavowing him after 9/11 when he said he should have bombed more.... oops not then but later. Oh and go back 27 years and Obama was what 16?

Link #2 is a so what. Yes they cleared the plane and yes it WAS cleared. They were people uninvolved with the attack whose personal safety may have been in jeopardy. Also as stated the family has disowned their scum relative.

Nice try making Obama run against Bush but you see the opponent is John McCain and your fud is not working. Obama is who he is. John McCain also associated with communists but he at least had a gun to his head rather than a drink in his hand

nedro · 10-21-2008, 3:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FB1000inPA

My problem with him is that he never openly answered what his ties with these folks really were. Everything is hush hush.

Yes he did. But you probably couldn't hear it over the Fox News broadcast. But he absolutely did!
BTW, look it up yourself if you want to know what he said. Some of those other sites (besides FOX), actualy dicuss news...

FB1000inPA · 10-21-2008, 4:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nedro

Yes he did. But you probably couldn't hear it over the Fox News broadcast. But he absolutely did!
BTW, look it up yourself if you want to know what he said. Some of those other sites (besides FOX), actualy dicuss news...

Why Fox? I listen to much more than Fox.

Why are you singling out my post nedro? Got a personal problem with me?

denzee · 10-21-2008, 4:58 PM

So now we're sheep and only watch FOX. Use your head guys. Come on. If a guy was boarding a plane and a background check revealed he had a relationship with William Ayers, would you let him on the plane? I hardly think so. Not a chance. Obama was not truthful when he spoke about his relationship with Rev Wright either. He claims he sat in the seat almost every Sunday for 20 years and never heard his rants against the US. If you think he was being truthful about that, then you can't see the forest for the trees. Sorry.

sheepofblue · 10-21-2008, 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by denzee

So now we're sheep and only watch FOX. Use your head guys. Come on. If a guy was boarding a plane and a background check revealed he had a relationship with William Ayers, would you let him on the plane? I hardly think so. Not a chance. Obama was not truthful when he spoke about his relationship with Rev Wright either. He claims he sat in the seat almost every Sunday for 20 years and never heard his rants against the US. If you think he was being truthful about that, then you can't see the forest for the trees. Sorry.

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