[LoopyLee]

I heard a mention on the news here last night that the Presidential Campaign has just topped the $1 billion mark

Is that right????

[dr256]

I think this is the figure the entire campaign is expected to top.

In Campaign 2008, Candidates Starting Earlier, Spending More - washingtonpost.com

[LoopyLee]

Its an obscene amount of money to spend!!!

[steingar]

An unfortunate side effect of our form of Democracy. The Obama campaign has been especially good at raising money.

[FB1000inPA]

And that for a job that pays how much?

[steingar]

Perhaps if Al Gore or John Kerry had raised more money and been more effective the world would be a better place. It ain't for the money.

[FB1000inPA]

Better place in what sense?

[LoopyLee]

Originally Posted by FB1000inPA

And that for a job that pays how much?

The most popular figured I found on the interent for the presidents salary was at the $400,000 a year mark..

[FB1000inPA]

Originally Posted by LoopyLee

The most popular figured I found on the interent for the presidents salary was at the $400,000 a year mark..

I know. My question was retoric...

[steingar]

Originally Posted by FB1000inPA

Better place in what sense?

Lets see, no war in Iraq so we'd be about a trillion dollars ahead. Hopefully no embrasure of deregulation to the point of economic collapse. No loss of US stature in the world. No nuclear weapons in Iran. No massive deficit spending. I could go on.

[FB1000inPA]

And since you throw these points out you might as well explain why you stated them.

Some of them would have happened no matter what influence the US would have had or what action the US would have taken. Just more absurd statements..

[steingar]

Wait, you really thing that Gore would have made up a bunch of phoney intelligence and attacked Iraq? And Bush did tout a "culture of ownership". Bush labeled Iran part of the axis of evil and invaded their neighbor; gee I wonder why they were so hot for nuclear weapons? Bush will go down in history as one of worst presidents in US history; and if you still like him then you'll be really lonely, even in Pennsylvania.

[FB1000inPA]

I never said I like him. You are making assumptions.

However, again, you neglect what really happened and imagine what could have happened. There is no way to ever find out.

[lanbrown]

Originally Posted by steingar

An unfortunate side effect of our form of Democracy. The Obama campaign has been especially good at raising money.

And spending it. What does that tell you about how fiscally responsible he is. he'll be good at raising money too; by raising taxes far what he has said he would.

[MelScrilla]

Originally Posted by lanbrown

And spending it. What does that tell you about how fiscally responsible he is. he'll be good at raising money too; by raising taxes far what he has said he would.

I guess you expect a presidential candidate not to raise money and not spend the money they do raise???

Im sure that if McCain could raise that amount of money he would be more than happy to spend it.

Also I dont know your financial status and won't pretend to, but if you make under 250k you will be getting a tax cut. He will raise money to pay for the debt or country is in by getting rid of the current loop holes in the system that coporations use to get out of paying taxes. If you think its better for Exxon to get a 4 billion tax break after making over 15 billion in profit in the first quarter, than for 90% of America to get a tax break and for large corporations to pay more I would beg to differ.

[lanbrown]

Originally Posted by MelScrilla

I guess you expect a presidential candidate not to raise money and not spend the money they do raise???

Im sure that if McCain could raise that amount of money he would be more than happy to spend it.

Also I dont know your financial status and won't pretend to, but if you make under 250k you will be getting a tax cut. He will raise money to pay for the debt or country is in by getting rid of the current loop holes in the system that coporations use to get out of paying taxes. If you think its better for Exxon to get a 4 billion tax break after making over 15 billion in profit in the first quarter, than for 90% of America to get a tax break and for large corporations to pay more I would beg to differ.

Obama that is for campaign reform? Doesn't seem to be campaign reform to me. Obama also changed how he was going to get funding; said it would be thois way and then changed to another.

You believe Obama? The guy that wants his records sealed until November 15th? The guy that won't answer to the court about his birth certifcate? I don't trust a word he says. He should be selling used cars.

[MelScrilla]

Thats funny because even the extreme right wing have seen his birth certificate and verifyed it. McCain wasnt born in America. Oh thats right McCain used campaign reform and obama didnt.........no they both used the same rules. McCains wife, the primary income earner, tried to keep her tax records secret. Palin refused to comply with an official court supena. Those sound like some honest people especially the one that doesnt want to talk about how many houses they own.

Again just attacks against the dems instead of saying what the Republicans will do because they dont have anything.

Watch this video and tell me McCain is a honest straight talker!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI

[lanbrown]

The birth certificate you are talking about was said to be legit by a company Obama worked for. The copy they posted and the copy posted were not the same. If he provided his birth certificate to them for verification, then it would be the same. Next, his grandmother has said he was born in Kenya, his sister said he was born in one hospital in HI, and Obama has said he was born in the other. Why the three stories? His step-father also renounced the US citizenship of Obama when he was a young age.

Lastly, Obama likes to redistribute wealth? Why are they one of the lowest charitable givers? Next, what about his half-brother?
Barack Obama's 'lost' brother found in Kenya - Telegraph
Lives in a shack on a dollar a month. I guess Obama can't give his half-brother a few bucks a month to live in a better place? I guess Obama likes to talk about redistribution of wealth but doesn't practice it himself. What a shock that is.

[MelScrilla]

I guess Obama worked for the LA Times.........
Barack Obama's birth certificate revealed here | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

and Poltifact.com...............
PolitiFact | Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter

and factcheck.org
Factcheck.org: Born in the U.S.A. | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com

along with many others that chose to tell the truth instead of spread rumors, I almost forgot you watch fox news.

And i guess since his father left him when he was 2 and has 8 different children by many differnt women Obama should support them all. And since you still dont get the meaning of spread the wealth around..... He doenst force his way in your house and take your money and give it to someone else like McCain would like you to believe. Companies just pay more tax and you get a tax cut and save money. McCain spreads the wealth to just in the opposite direction where companies get a tax cut and you and i get..........NOTHING......except healthcare thats worst than what we have now and more deregulation of the industries that we are bailing out. Bush is trying to push through a bill that would let powerplants polute the air, water, and soil more. And a bill that would allow more pollutants in our drinking water. If thats what you agree with than vote republican,

[lanbrown]

What is this you and I? He won't get a dime more out of me. In fact, I will get paid less so I have to pay less taxes. So if Obama is elected; less moeny to the IRS.

You don't think things through. Make the companies pay more and what do they do? They will riase prices. You will be paying for it. Obama won't cut the tax of anyone. His plans don't add up and will cost too much to actually do. He will need to raise taxes to pay for it.

Why has Obama not responded to the court order? he could end it real quick, but he doesn't want to too as he has too much to lose.

You might enjoy the Company of a cross between Marx and Stalin, but I don't.

[MelScrilla]

Originally Posted by lanbrown

What is this you and I? He won't get a dime more out of me. In fact, I will get paid less so I have to pay less taxes. So if Obama is elected; less moeny to the IRS.

You don't think things through. Make the companies pay more and what do they do? They will riase prices. You will be paying for it. Obama won't cut the tax of anyone. His plans don't add up and will cost too much to actually do. He will need to raise taxes to pay for it.

Why has Obama not responded to the court order? he could end it real quick, but he doesn't want to too as he has too much to lose.

You might enjoy the Company of a cross between Marx and Stalin, but I don't.

I guess you didnt live in this Country when Clinton was President because Obama's plan returns the tax balance to about the same as Clinton had it, but i know he was a socialist too. During the 90's companies paid more taxes and we paid less so your hypothetical situation might be correct but in actuality its been proven untrue. Do you know what we could pay for if we come out of Iraq?? And what is McCain going to do cut taxes and stay in Iraq and run up a bigger bill.

[lanbrown]

In socialism there is no such thing as a profit. In a capitalist economy there is and if a company can’t make a profit they raise prices or goes out of business. Raise their taxes and they will just pass it on to you; economics 101. They don’t teach that in socialist school though; just the words of Marx and the actions of Stalin.

You do realize that the Iraq war is a drop in the bucket compared to what illegal immigration costs don’t you? Of course you don’t; as that is not an issue in a socialist country as that is where people usually flee from. Haven’t seen any boats trying to escape to Cuba or North Korea lately.

[Doomwitha929]

A, you are assuming that he will do what he says he will once he is in office
B, Obama has a history of associating with criminals and terrorists, I don't care what he does with taxes is it means I am going to turn the country over to a criminal that is a closet Muslim and hates white people (by his own admission)
C, Most of the economic problems are results of the Clinton admin not BUSH. Do not blame Bush for what was set in motion before he took office. Typical Democrats, Screw everything up then blame the next guy for it when the S*&* hits the fan. The Clinton admin was responsible for forcing banks to give people who had no business getting loans in the first place a mortgage for more then they could afford. Don't blame the Govt blame the ignorant losers that bought houses they knew damn well they couldn't pay for and then think it is our responsibility to bail them out. Typical loser way of thinking "it isn't my fault I'm a loser, you people that work hard and make good decisions need to to carry me and pay for my mistakes.
D, Everyone keeps crying about pulling out of Iraq. Can these idiots really think that if we could pull out all our friends and family that are being hurt or killed over there without MAJOR costly and dangerous repercussions we wouldn't do so? People know only a portion of what is going on and make decisions about things they are ignorant about. Ever talk to a military person stationed over there? They will tell you they are doing good and making a diff. They will tell you they are needed and if they all leave it will create serious problems. These people are not doing this for no reason. They understand their mission and that the sacrifice is needed. People don't look past their own nose. I know if Obama gets elected I may get some money back WOHOO! I would gladly PAY for him NOT to be elected and I get to keep my civil rights. You also are not seeing the big picture. You may get some tax break but you do realize soon your money will be going to feed, cloth, provide medical care and schooling for all the people that are too lazy, stupid or ILLEGAL to do it for themselves. I work hard for my money I am not about to use it to pay some illegal immigrants medical bills or to send his kid to school.

[MelScrilla]

Originally Posted by Doomwitha929

A, you are assuming that he will do what he says he will once he is in office
B, Obama has a history of associating with criminals and terrorists, I don't care what he does with taxes is it means I am going to turn the country over to a criminal that is a closet Muslim and hates white people (by his own admission)
C, Most of the economic problems are results of the Clinton admin not BUSH. Do not blame Bush for what was set in motion before he took office. Typical Democrats, Screw everything up then blame the next guy for it when the S*&* hits the fan. The Clinton admin was responsible for forcing banks to give people who had no business getting loans in the first place a mortgage for more then they could afford. Don't blame the Govt blame the ignorant losers that bought houses they knew damn well they couldn't pay for and then think it is our responsibility to bail them out. Typical loser way of thinking "it isn't my fault I'm a loser, you people that work hard and make good decisions need to to carry me and pay for my mistakes.
D, Everyone keeps crying about pulling out of Iraq. Can these idiots really think that if we could pull out all our friends and family that are being hurt or killed over there without MAJOR costly and dangerous repercussions we wouldn't do so? People know only a portion of what is going on and make decisions about things they are ignorant about. Ever talk to a military person stationed over there? They will tell you they are doing good and making a diff. They will tell you they are needed and if they all leave it will create serious problems. These people are not doing this for no reason. They understand their mission and that the sacrifice is needed. People don't look past their own nose. I know if Obama gets elected I may get some money back WOHOO! I would gladly PAY for him NOT to be elected and I get to keep my civil rights. You also are not seeing the big picture. You may get some tax break but you do realize soon your money will be going to feed, cloth, provide medical care and schooling for all the people that are too lazy, stupid or ILLEGAL to do it for themselves. I work hard for my money I am not about to use it to pay some illegal immigrants medical bills or to send his kid to school.

Wow now this is what the problem with the country is. When even JOHN McCAIN can go on stage and say Obama's not a muslim and hes a good guy people (like you) believe whatever feeds the hate inside of you the most. I'm also glad that your one of the people that believe that Republican line dont blame Bush............blame Clinton (sounds about the same to me). Bush's approval rating is almost the LOWEST EVER so if your one of the 27% of people that think he doing a good job thats great.

Now for Obama admitted he is a Muslim that hated white people.....You cant bring up Jeremiah Wright and Muslim together (you can't have it both ways). How can you spiritual leader be a radical christian and you be a muslim....you ahve to chose which one you want.

And lets not forget that Obama's mother is WHITE so i guess he hated her. And his grandmother thats sick, shes white too. infact his father left when he was 2 and he was raised by WHITE PEOPLE.

If you have nothing more to do than spew lies and hate with no reality please dont respond. I'll be glad to talk policies and issues not lies.

[lanbrown]

Should we bring his wife into it? She is as racist as he is too. Just look at the "race card" that they like to pull. If you don't think it is fair to bring his wife in, then neither is it for his family. He can't pick his family, but he can pick his wife.

[Doomwitha929]

"Wow now this is what the problem with the country is. When even JOHN McCAIN can go on stage and say Obama's not a Muslim and he's a good guy people (like you) believe whatever feeds the hate inside of you the most. I'm also glad that your one of the people that believe that Republican line don't blame Bush............blame Clinton (sounds about the same to me). Bush's approval rating is almost the LOWEST EVER so if your one of the 27% of people that think he doing a good job that's great."

Yeah, I'm sure McCain isn't saying that because it is professional and respectful and has NOTHING to do with every liberal crying like a 3 year old anytime anyone says something slightly bad about Obama. Funny how when Clinton was campaigning anything anyone said was said to be an attack on her because she is a woman and unfair yet now people can do the same thing to Palin and it is OK. No it isn't "the same thing" because the Clintons actually ARE responsible for it and Bush actually is NOT. If you felt like opening your mind and looking past your nose you may have seen the tape of the Senate meeting where years ago bush was pleading with them to stop the sub prime BS because it was going to cause problems and the Democrats where fighting him. What does Bush's approval rating have to do with Obama? Oh Bush did a bad job so that means Obama wont? WTF kind of logic is that? OH! its the logic the Democrats are using to trick simple minded people "We need a change! um don't worry about all the shady stuff he is doing, ignore his utter lack of exp, don't worry that he is associated with criminals, terrorists, radical spiritual leaders that preach intolerance and that he can't supply an actual ORIGINAL birth cert he will CHANGE STUFF! Um yeah we don't know how are exactly what but there will be CHANGE!!! Now have a sip of this coolaid"

"Now for Obama admitted he is a Muslim that hated white people.....You cant bring up Jeremiah Wright and Muslim together (you can't have it both ways). How can you spiritual leader be a radical Christian and you be a Muslim....you have to chose which one you want."

I can't? why not? are you actually saying just because Wright is Christian (not unlike the inquisition) that Obama can't be Muslim? That is exactly the half witted logic that is used to pull the wool over your eyes.

If Obama is so straight up why does he refuse to show where is campaign money comes from? Why does he use untraceable credit cards for funding?
Why does he refuse to supply an ORIGINAL birth cert?
Why does he refuse to condemn the actions of known terrorists he has associated with?

People are just ignoring all these important questions! Oh he seems nice lets not worry about all that stuff. Why don't you see all this stuff on TV? The media is historically very liberal and slanted that way.

Hm, what else? Oh spread the wealth? Sooo this will all be on an entirely volunteer basis? I think not. If you think you are not going to end up paying someone else's way you are kidding yourself. What is wrong with Don;t spread the wealth? How about YOU work hard you make money you KEEP IT and people who do not work hard, become legal, pay taxes get squat.

[MelScrilla]

1. Since you just said it your self that Bush did a bad job, I guess nothing in thats going on in this country is his fault, I see. Even when he was elected and for 6 years while he served Republicans had complete control of government and could have changed anything they felt like.

2. Obama has supplied his birth certificate and it has been checked but i guess people like you think that he should mail a copy to everybody so they can check too.

3. How can you be a muslim and be criticzed for having an advisor that is christian. The republicans said he sat in that church for 20 years but i know he been faking the whole time or is it the BS that simple minded people believe when they just dont like someone.

4. Obama gets his money from private citizens and if they chose to donate to his campaign using a credit card i guess its his problem. McCain has the same problem but since he didnt raise as much money its not an issue.

5. Obama has repeatedly condemed the actions of Bill Ayers when he was 8 and Rev. Wrights words. He condemed both of them on TV interviews and even Ayers on the debates but I guess you didnt hear that.

And i see you dropped the Obama hated white people stuff. Its kind of hard to make sense of when the people who raised him are white huh?? And who is getting the wool pulled over their eyes.

[Doomwitha929]

1. Since you just said it your self that Bush did a bad job, I guess nothing in thats going on in this country is his fault, I see. Even when he was elected and for 6 years while he served Republicans had complete control of government and could have changed anything they felt like.

I am not sure why you keep saying this. When did Bush become part of this? What Bush has done has nothing to do with and no bearing on Obama or his qualifications. Stop deflecting the point onto BUSH and deal with the issues.

2. Obama has supplied his birth certificate and it has been checked but i guess people like you think that he should mail a copy to everybody so they can check too.

No he supplied a NEW birth cert. One of the type that is issued NOW not an original one that would be issued when he was born. You think that someone in his position could not pull strings to get a fake birth cert? Seriously?

3. How can you be a muslim and be criticzed for having an advisor that is christian. The republicans said he sat in that church for 20 years but i know he been faking the whole time or is it the BS that simple minded people believe when they just dont like someone.

So Wright was/ is his advisor? YOU can't have it both ways. Either he is Muslim or Wright WAS/IS his advisor who he went to church to learn from and be guided by for 20 years. One way he is a liar and a threat or he is the student and follower of a hate filled radical racist that preaches inolerance.

4. Obama gets his money from private citizens and if they chose to donate to his campaign using a credit card i guess its his problem. McCain has the same problem but since he didnt raise as much money its not an issue.

Yes it IS his problem apparently because Obama's fund raising is in question. If it is ligit why would he refuse to prove it. Does he feel his position makes him above the law or answering to the public? That sounds a bit like a tyranny no? Will he make decisions for the country and feel he does not have to answer to us or rationalize them? If he is innocent of wrong doing why is he hiding from the questions? Innocent people do not hide.

5. Obama has repeatedly condemed the actions of Bill Ayers when he was 8 and Rev. Wrights words. He condemed both of them on TV interviews and even Ayers on the debates but I guess you didnt hear that.

He did? Did he do that while he was working with him ? I understand its ok to work with someone, hang out with them and be friends if you on the most basic level condem their actions and believe what they did was criminal. Either he is lying or he is a hypocrit. Either way a clown. As far as Wright did he condem his words those 20 years he was going to his church or while he was taking religious guidance from him? This makes no sense. Either he agrees with these guys or he just lead a lie for 20 years.

And i see you dropped the Obama hated white people stuff. Its kind of hard to make sense of when the people who raised him are white huh?? And who is getting the wool pulled over their eyes.

No not really I only said that because he made several statements in his two books about not liking white people, not liking what they stood for and trying to distance homself as much as possible from what they stood for. Again either this was all a lie or he was being honest either way .... clown.

[Doomwitha929]

Seriously I think we should stop arguing. We both believe what we believe and it is usless to try and argue about it. I respect your right to make your own decision in the matter. I just hope that it dose not some back to bite us in the butt later.