Obama Election Triggers National Rush On Guns

.OrgOwner · 11-25-2008, 5:54 AM

Are you stocking up on your guns and ammo?

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Barack Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns."

Obama election triggers national gun rush

However, a 1996 Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire asked Obama during his first run for Illinois Senate, "Do you support state legislation to ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns?" and "Do you support state legislation to ban assault weapons?" He replied "yes" to both questions, though he now claims his handwriting was not on the questionnaire

FB1000inPA · 11-25-2008, 9:51 AM

I always like to point at the MSM and how reporters dealt with gun control etc in the past.

There was a series I found from web pages going back a couple years. The themes were, is gun crime getting worse, loose southern dealers sell crime guns into the north, assault weapons are powerful, and wackos with guns create serious shootouts with police. The highlight was a staffer at what I think was the ATF firearms storeroom calling a M82 a "Barrett 50 caliber machine gun".
Here's digestion, it hasn't appeared on the msnbc website yet
http://www.alphecca.com/?p=1055
I call it the MSM Bravo Sierra.

After searching I noticed that I was originally wrong and it's already starting on their site. msnbc.com Video Player

And sh!t like that makes people buy arms and stock up.

BigBassTurd · 11-25-2008, 5:58 PM

It's true. Me and my pops went to go pick up his 9mm browning and Rock Island .38super that he just purchased. We were talking to the shop owner and he said that buisness has really picked up since Obama won the election. It maybe an over reaction. But my pops would rather not take the chances and is purchasing all the firearms that he has had his eye on lately. The S&W 500 with the 8 3/4" barrel is the next on the list as we think they will ban this handgun in California in the very near future. The S&W500 rounds are rediculous in price, but it is one bad arse gun. I shot one at the local range and it was awsome. It was suprisingly accurate and the holes were easy in the target

(no need for those flourescent flaking targets). I'd like to see Mr.Roker pull a few rounds off on that Bad Boy. Now that would be hilarious. It's not a gun it's a hand cannon.

9mm browning BDM:
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/bdm_1.jpg

Rock Island 38 Super:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5...uild007ce1.jpg

S&W 500:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0-p1030121.jpg

JEBSTER52 · 01-20-2009, 10:34 PM

THEY ALREADY SHOWED US WHAT THEY THOUGHT Eric Holder wrote an amicus brief in the Heller Case before the Supremes and clearly stated there is no Individual right to possess a gun or to self-defense! He is the new Attorney Gerneral! Guns will go through the roof and ammo will be banned unless it is encoded and will cost a fortune! Reloading like I love to do will gone. Carter did it/Clinton did it/BHussein will do it. Jeb

lanbrown · 01-20-2009, 10:46 PM

The Supreme Court has ruled that it is an individual right; so the AG cannot do squat about it. While the gov't can try to tax the sh!t out of the ammo, I don't think they will. The ammo companies make too much money and they have a card they can play; the gov't adds taxes in, the ammo companies can increase the cost of ammo to the gov't; I think a 10,000% increase will work.

NDMBlackBlade · 01-20-2009, 11:14 PM

We don't have gun's and we do ok!

lanbrown · 01-20-2009, 11:16 PM

But our country was founded upon them. It wasn't an gov't army that defeated the British; but the common man.

NDMBlackBlade · 01-20-2009, 11:22 PM

point being tho!
Not every person in every home needs a gun!!
It's only in the last 10 years over here that crime involving guns has become more of the norm!
but I remember growing up you would hear of somebody being shot and think..
WOW America again.
we just didn't have gun crime.
ye sure IRA members had them but they are more of an unofficial army that common man!
if you guy's didn't all have em you wouldn't all need em!

lanbrown · 01-20-2009, 11:25 PM

Why let the criminals have the advantage? I have no issue in defending myself. If someone wants to break-in, they get a parting gift. They want one of my bikes, they get a parting gift. I will make sure they take an early retirement from their job.

NDMBlackBlade · 01-20-2009, 11:30 PM

but if you couldnt just buy guns over the counter the chance of a criminal coming in you house with a gun would be slim..
if you can buy them over the counter then if you interested in criminal activity then you just buy a bigger one!!
really guy's your fueling your own fire over there!

Doomwitha929 · 01-20-2009, 11:38 PM

Obama has been on the ban guns side of the fight many times. There is already some law in the works in Va to ban more guns. He says whatever he thinks people want to hear but his actions have shown he supports gun bans.
He already intends to open gun companys back up to liability for crimes done with the guns they make. How long do you think it will take to put a gun company whish are realitivly small companys out of business when a few people sue them for several million dollars because a gang member was shot by another gang member? How long till they do the same to the companys that make the ammunition. First assult weapons will be banned. Problem there of course just like last time is these people have no idea what one is so they will ban everything that looks mean and is painted black. High cap hand guns will then get hit then anything over a certain caliber. We don't really need 50cal rifles and hand guns right? People will be OK with this because most people do not care about guns or shooting and are willing to ban anything that isnt their hobby etc. Once the ban everything large groups have an issue with they will resort to taxing them. A $500 9mm will have a $400 tax on it. You will have to pay a tax on it every year. You will have to take a safty course (not totally a bad idea really) but then you will have to pay out the butt to take it and re certify every couple years. They will limit the number you can have. Ammunition will be taxed too. How does $80 for a box of 50 .45s sound? Like in Montgomery county you will not be able to shoot on your own land. Ranges will be gone because they will lay huge taxes on them and regulate them out of business.
If soeone breaks into your house with a gun and you shoot them you will be the criminal. I see people getting sued by criminals for defending their familys. "Mr Blank, you shot the intruder who was armed with a handgun after he pointed it at your child and said he was going to blow her head off is that correct? Well Mr Blank how could you be SURE he was not lyings !? You should have waited till he killed someone THEN shot him" Sound funny? Has happened already. The first thing the cops will do is cuff you and look for any thing not perfect with your gun ownership. "Mr Blank we see here these bullets were bought out of state and you did not pay this states tax on them there for you are not legaly able to use them to defend your family in this state! Get in the CAR!"

NDMBlackBlade · 01-20-2009, 11:43 PM

main problem being is if you stage a break in and shoot a dude its easy to get away with!!
I'm sure it happens more than once a day!
If a dude breaks in over here and ye kill em??
well if its self defence it dont matter what you do to kill em but if forensics are on your side your free!!
A man only got away with shooting a dude with a hunting shot gun in the last couple of years it made big news!!
would it even make the news in the states??

lanbrown · 01-20-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NDMBlackBlade

but if you couldnt just buy guns over the counter the chance of a criminal coming in you house with a gun would be slim..
if you can buy them over the counter then if you interested in criminal activity then you just buy a bigger one!!
really guy's your fueling your own fire over there!

Criminals don't buy guns legally. If you remove the legal purchasing, then you leave the illegal ones out there.

Doomwitha929 · 01-20-2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NDMBlackBlade

but if you couldnt just buy guns over the counter the chance of a criminal coming in you house with a gun would be slim..
if you can buy them over the counter then if you interested in criminal activity then you just buy a bigger one!!
really guy's your fueling your own fire over there!

That is in fact not true. Historicly gun control has done little to reduce the level of violent crime and crimes with guns. Criminals are not buying guns over the counter, they are stealing them from people who can buy them because the police are too busy at 7-11 having coffee to catch a thief.
If you take guns away from criminals they are not going to just stay home they are going to use a bat or knife etc whish will be good enough because they don't have to worry about guns.

lanbrown · 01-20-2009, 11:49 PM

you just cannot go to a gun store and buy a gun; a background check is done. If you have a criminal record, no gun for you.

NDMBlackBlade · 01-20-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Doomwitha929

That is in fact not true. Historicly gun control has done little to reduce the level of violent crime and crimes with guns. Criminals are not buying guns over the counter, they are stealing them from people who can buy them because the police are too busy at 7-11 having coffee to catch a thief.
If you take guns away from criminals they are not going to just stay home they are going to use a bat or knife etc whish will be good enough because they don't have to worry about guns.

You have just solved the problem dude

if ye can't buy em then they cant be stolen

Doomwitha929 · 01-20-2009, 11:52 PM

No kidding ! I don't know how it is other places but if you have ever done anything half bad you aint gettn a gun in MD. They check you everytime you buy a gun.

NDMBlackBlade · 01-20-2009, 11:55 PM

that's cool but some people don't go bad till they get a gun!

Doomwitha929 · 01-20-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NDMBlackBlade

You have just solved the problem dude

if ye can't buy em then they cant be stolen

sweet! so when three guys break into your house with bats and kill your kids it will be OK because they didn't have a gun. That is exactly the simple minded logic that is going to screw us. All banning guns does is make it safer for criminals. Aside from that people are forgetting the REASON why the founding fathers made it a right to have a gun is to keep the govt in check. Armed citizens is the last line of defence against a bad govt opressing them.
I know I know THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! Want to know how many times people in another country have said that then promptly had their guns taken away and all killed?

In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control.
- From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
- From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938.
- From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies,
homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935.
- From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
- From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970.
- From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956.
- From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

That places total victims who lost their lives because
of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last
century.

Since we should learn from the mistakes of history,
the next time someone talks in favor of gun control,
find out which group of citizens they wish to have
exterminated.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in
Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal
firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the
government more than $500 million dollars.
- The results Australia-wide; Homicides are up 3.2%,
Assaults are up 8 %, and Armed robberies are up 44%.
In that country's state of Victoria, homicides with
firearms are up 300%.

Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady
decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians
are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no
improvement in "safety" has been observed after such
monumental effort and expense was successfully
expended in "ridding society of guns."

It's time to state it plainly; Guns in the hands of
honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens.
Take action before it's too late, write or call your
delegation.

Paul Harvey

lanbrown · 01-21-2009, 12:00 AM

What about the guns the criminals already have? If the police bought the guns, the criminals would still keep theirs.

Doomwitha929 · 01-21-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NDMBlackBlade

that's cool but some people don't go bad till they get a gun!

Are you serious? That is possibly the most simple minded thing I have heard today. You really think that people go bad cuz they get a GUN? Yeah the guy that broke into a home killed everyone then shot himself in the head was perfect till he got that evil GUN. A gun is a tool, a machine and it has as much responsibility for crimes that are commited with it as spoons have for making people fat.

.OrgOwner · 01-21-2009, 12:06 AM

Spoons? Fat? Oh crap I thought it was the forks!!!!

lanbrown · 01-21-2009, 12:06 AM

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Doomwitha929 · 01-21-2009, 12:07 AM

Many MANY more people are killed every day with cars and beer yet hmm no one is banning them. If is REALLY about protecting the public then we need to stop driving cars!

The facts are banning guns does not work point blank. People can make irrational uninformed arguments all day long making up reasons and bending statistics and skewing the truth to justify banning guns but in the end it just does no good.

Doomwitha929 · 01-21-2009, 12:08 AM

Guns don't kill people bullets kill people lol

lanbrown · 01-21-2009, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Doomwitha929

Many MANY more people are killed every day with cars and beer

How about alcohol rather than beer. The reason is, Ted Kennedy would lose two of his favorite pastimes. The third deals with bridges.

Doomwitha929 · 01-21-2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lanbrown

How about alcohol rather than beer. The reason is, Ted Kennedy would lose two of his favorite pastimes. The third deals with bridges.

LOL I knew someone would go there.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a diff outcome. Banning guns has been proven to NOT WORK why do people insist on thrying it again and again and thinking it will work.

lanbrown · 01-21-2009, 12:15 AM

Because it is a "new and improved" version.

Doomwitha929 · 01-21-2009, 12:19 AM

Ya know one big point that people are missing is not banning GUNs but the infringment on out rights that it represents. People seem to miss the point that basicly the govt is saying "yeah we know what the constitution says but ... well F it" Whats next no right to a trial? Right to free speach? Freedom of religion!?

.OrgOwner · 01-21-2009, 12:19 AM

Banning guns would work IF they could stop access to guns. The problem is the bad guys still get access to the weapons. Lets face facts, it's pretty hard to do a drive by with a slingshot. No guns = no shootings