Black Tuesday

lanbrown · 01-19-2009, 7:32 PM

Every year we have Black Friday
In the Wall Street crash of 1929, we had Black Thursday

Tomorrow is Black Tuesday the day America dies. Someone that is not a natural born citizen becomes president.

Fishboy · 01-19-2009, 8:09 PM

Give it a rest...this b.s. about Obama's citizenship is just that...B.S.!
It has already been discredited over and over. He was born in Hawaii.
The ONLY people still claiming he's not a U.S. citizen, don't know what the hell they're talking about.

lanbrown · 01-19-2009, 8:17 PM

It doesn't matter; a natural born citizen must have parents that ARE citizens. he father is NOT a US citizen. Thus, he is not a natural born citizen.

Read up on the US Constitution and you will see he is not a natural born citizen.
Emmerich de Vattel wrote this and his writings heavily influenced our founding fathers.
"The natives, or naturalborn citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."

The only BS is Obama himself. Look at the crooks he has put in place and he has yet to take office. Look at who he associates with. the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

.OrgOwner · 01-19-2009, 8:47 PM

lanbrown · 01-19-2009, 8:50 PM

Extra butter?

muddysteel · 01-19-2009, 9:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lanbrown

It doesn't matter; a natural born citizen must have parents that ARE citizens. he father is NOT a US citizen. Thus, he is not a natural born citizen.

Read up on the US Constitution and you will see he is not a natural born citizen.
Emmerich de Vattel wrote this and his writings heavily influenced our founding fathers.
"The natives, or naturalborn citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."

The only BS is Obama himself. Look at the crooks he has put in place and he has yet to take office. Look at who he associates with. the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

You're wrong. The distinction isn't whether or not he was born here in the U.S., it's whether or not he was a "naturalized" citizen. He was NOT a naturalized citizen, giving him the same level of (natural born) citizenship as a person born in the U.S.

Your belief would make ineligible thousands of people born outside the borders of the U.S. to U.S. citizens - consider the number of U.S. military service persons who staff military installations around the world. Then there are the diplomats - both appointed and professional - who also live outside of the U.S. borders.

Maybe you can answer this question: Where was John McCain born? Since he was born outside the U.S., was he also ineligible?

Fishboy · 01-19-2009, 9:05 PM

My guess is that this "he isn't a U.S. citizen" argument is meant as cover for what's really got a lot of you upset....A non-white man is our new president and you can't stand it.

I'm surprised you haven't started a thread about how he's really a Muslim terrorist...or did I miss that one?

.OrgOwner · 01-19-2009, 9:07 PM

Have you seen the spec sheet on that limo they are using to cart Obama around in? I wonder how many nutters have been making threats already, right or wrong Obama is what the majority of people want so I think it's time to live with it.

LoopyLee · 01-19-2009, 9:09 PM

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Originally Posted by .OrgOwner

right or wrong Obama is what the majority of people want so I think it's time to live with it.

08silvercbr · 01-19-2009, 9:16 PM

I didn't vote for him. I didn't really like him winning, but its done. Now hopefully he can get some things going econ. wise. Gotta make the best of it.

Jetpilot07 · 01-19-2009, 9:29 PM

they are all crooks, so f-it...

sscottab · 01-19-2009, 10:01 PM

Iam glad he won, at least there will not be another 4 years of bushonomics, on all the boards iam a member of this is the only one that has active threads on this subject. personly i think the title of the thread is inappropriate but that is just me and no iam not black iam a pasty white irish.
tommorow he will be the president so deal with it.

rokitt51 · 01-19-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by .OrgOwner

Have you seen the spec sheet on that limo they are using to cart Obama around in? I wonder how many nutters have been making threats already, right or wrong Obama is what the majority of people want so I think it's time to live with it.

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Originally Posted by Fishboy

Give it a rest...this b.s. about Obama's citizenship is just that...B.S.!
It has already been discredited over and over. He was born in Hawaii.
The ONLY people still claiming he's not a U.S. citizen, don't know what the hell they're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Jetpilot07

they are all crooks, so f-it...

WyoJames · 01-19-2009, 10:18 PM

purple

Doomwitha929 · 01-19-2009, 10:53 PM

OK, shew! Had to compose my self there. I just wrote an entire page as a response but now I am calm so deleted it.
Calmly... No one gives a rats butt if you or Obama is black. No one I know has an issue with him because he is black. They do however have an issue with things he is doing and what it will mean for out civil rights and freedoms. I am not going to get into the whole political side because that is not an argument for here and one that wont be productive anyway.
What I will say though is GET OVER YOURSELF. Stop crying that every injustice is because of racism. Not everytime someone disagrees with you is it because of racism. If you got fired or did not get the job chances are it is because you are not qualified or sucked at it. If you did not get into a school chances are it is because you are simple. If someone does not want you areound it is probably because you are a bonehead not because they are racist. Once you stop assuming everytime someone disagrees with your or you do not get your way it is because of racism you will be better off.

nixhex32 · 01-19-2009, 11:04 PM

there is one good thing that will come out of obama, all the "minorities" can now stop blaming the MAN for keeping them down. so now when people in the getto start to complain we can all say "quit bitchin' you got what you wanted, talk to him"

hopefully obama does a good job while in office, if not We in texas can succeed from the union and be our own country.

Doomwitha929 · 01-19-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by .OrgOwner

Have you seen the spec sheet on that limo they are using to cart Obama around in? I wonder how many nutters have been making threats already, right or wrong Obama is what the majority of people want so I think it's time to live with it.

Most people just did NOT want BUSH. I think many of those votes for Obama were really just votes NOT for BUSH. I also believe a lot of peope were willing to throw in with Obama because they are scared about the future and were willing to ignore the damage he is going to do to civil rights and our freedoms. I mean so what if the govt will have tabs on everything you do where you go and what you say as long as we get some cash out of it right? WHo needs the right to own a gun or keep the police from listening to your phone or barge into your house as long we spread the wealth and the people that are unwilling to work hard, become a legal citizen or go to school get handed the things they refuse to work for. The problem is that I fear Obama is going to turn out NOT being what people thought. He is already backtracking on things he said.

lanbrown · 01-19-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by muddysteel

Your belief would make ineligible thousands of people born outside the borders of the U.S. to U.S. citizens - consider the number of U.S. military service persons who staff military installations around the world. Then there are the diplomats - both appointed and professional - who also live outside of the U.S. borders.

Maybe you can answer this question: Where was John McCain born? Since he was born outside the U.S., was he also ineligible?

McCain is also not eligible. It is also not my belief, but of that of men who built this country. It says you must be a natural citizen.

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Originally Posted by Fishboy

My guess is that this "he isn't a U.S. citizen" argument is meant as cover for what's really got a lot of you upset....A non-white man is our new president and you can't stand it.

I'm surprised you haven't started a thread about how he's really a Muslim terrorist...or did I miss that one?

I don't care what color the president is, but I don't like Obama and fake that he is. He is ignorant for someone that is a constitutional attorney. Obama stutters like Porky Pig when it is not scripted.

Obama does have the support of terrorists. Why is Obama so secretive on many fronts? What does he have to hide?

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Originally Posted by Doomwitha929

The problem is that I fear Obama is going to turn out NOT being what people thought. He is already backtracking on things he said.

Don't forget the corruption; before the election, during and even before he becomes president. Imagine what he will do when he has power.

Doomwitha929 · 01-20-2009, 12:02 AM

I find it amusing how when someone supports Obama and we disagree we are ignorant liars or racist. On the other hand if they disagree with us it is OK and we are just stupid and evil. Funny how a group that is all about accepting others, equality and openness to others ideas they are so close minded and against listening to an opposing view. It seems that we have the right to our own ideas as long as its their ideas.

lanbrown · 01-20-2009, 12:41 AM

Yep, amazing isn't it?

TKDmasterZ · 01-20-2009, 12:57 AM

Interesting. I thought this thread was about celebrating our first black president...

WyoJames · 01-20-2009, 2:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Doomwitha929

I find it amusing how when someone supports Obama and we disagree we are ignorant liars or racist. On the other hand if they disagree with us it is OK and we are just stupid and evil. Funny how a group that is all about accepting others, equality and openness to others ideas they are so close minded and against listening to an opposing view. It seems that we have the right to our own ideas as long as its their ideas.

Gotta love it

Surffrog · 01-20-2009, 6:11 AM

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Originally Posted by lanbrown

The only BS is Obama himself. Look at the crooks he has put in place and he has yet to take office. Look at who he associates with. the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

No matter what else he is, like the rest of them, he's a politician.

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Originally Posted by Jetpilot07

they are all crooks, so f-it...

Absolutely. That should be the definition of politician in the dictionary. They're all the same (in one way or another).

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Originally Posted by lanbrown

Why is Obama so secretive on many fronts? What does he have to hide?

Don't forget the corruption; before the election, during and even before he becomes president. Imagine what he will do when he has power.

He's a politician. Name one who hasn't got a boat-load of secrets, of which barely 20% gets found out.

dr256 · 01-20-2009, 7:44 AM

If it dies it will be because of the fiscal policy of the republican out-going president, and as it looks possible right now, that both our countries go bust, hope and the desire for change is all you'll have left!

denzee · 01-20-2009, 8:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dr256

If it dies it will be because of the fiscal policy of the republican out-going president, and as it looks possible right now, that both our countries go bust, hope and the desire for change is all you'll have left!

Not to defend W's fiscal record but much of the loan deregulation that lead to this problem was brought on by Democrat administrations going back to Carter but of course like anything else..."IT'S BUSH'S FAULT". I can't wait just to hear less of that although it'll be the Messiah's excuse for the foreseeable future I'm sure.

dr256 · 01-20-2009, 8:33 AM

Hi Denzee,
It was Bush and Brown that deregulated policy and allowed what's called securitisation which is the specific cause of the current crisis. What you and I would call a legalised pyramid scheme.

Granted Clinton had a part to play. Carter's contribution to the current state of affairs in this respect is peanuts - arf arf.

denzee · 01-20-2009, 8:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dr256

Hi Denzee,
It was Bush and Brown that deregulated policy and allowed what's called securitisation which is the specific cause of the current crisis. What you and I would call a legalised pyramid scheme.

Granted Clinton had a part to play. Carter's contribution to the current state of affairs in this respect is peanuts - arf arf.

Sorry..Hi dr...this is a piece from an article I read. Just dug it up for you. Carter was doing more than playing with his nuts...er...ah...peanuts.

Barack Obama, in his effort to blame his opponent for the current financial problem on Wall Street, said "There's only one candidate who called himself, and I quote, 'fundamentally a deregulator,' when it was reckless deregulation and lack of oversight that's a big part of the problem on Wall Street right now."
Only, it was not the problem of de-regulation that caused the crisis. The current melt-down that involves unsound mortgage lending was very directly caused by exactly the same thing that caused the melt-down of the Savings and Loan Industry that followed President Jimmy Carter's four years in office in the late 1970s. The cause was Congress itself. Congress, by law, required Savings and Loans to give mortgages to risky borrowers. The demand for those laws often actually came from community organizers such as Barack Obama insisting that lending standards be lowered and that government, not individuals, solve the problems.
Today it is actually Chicago, where Obama worked as a community organizer, that leads the nation in home foreclosures due to sub prime loans to unqualified minority borrowers. More than fifty percent of those now losing their homes in the Chicago area are blacks or Hispanics. Dedrick Muhammad, a senior organizer and researcher at the Institute for Policy Studies, wrote a report in January 2008 in which he claimed that "We estimate the total loss of wealth for people of color (blacks and Hispanics) to be between $164 billion and $213 billion for sub prime loans taken during the past eight years."

Jetpilot07 · 01-20-2009, 9:00 AM

anyone remember the bumper sticker for the 04 elections, i had to secure one for my roll away tool chest, slapped it to the side reading,"DICK AND BUSH 04", well, it was funny at the time i thought.....

denzee · 01-20-2009, 9:58 AM

I feel a calm in the air as the Messiah will be inaugurated in just over 3hrs. My TV at work will be going for sure! This is after all, history. I really do wish him well.

dr256 · 01-20-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by denzee

Only, it was not the problem of de-regulation that caused the crisis. The current melt-down that involves unsound mortgage lending was very directly caused by exactly the same thing that caused the melt-down of the Savings and Loan Industry that followed President Jimmy Carter's four years in office in the late 1970s. The cause was Congress itself. Congress, by law, required Savings and Loans to give mortgages to risky borrowers. The demand for those laws often actually came from community organizers such as Barack Obama insisting that lending standards be lowered and that government, not individuals, solve the problems.

Indeed, and had Brown and Bush not engaged in further deregulation that allowed the banks to cut up that sub-prime lending and repackage it as triple A investments at hugely overrated values, then the debts would be a fraction of what we see today. Its that "securitisation" of the sub prime market that has led to the massive and potentially country bankrupting debts of the current crisis.

Selling to sub prime was not in itself an altogether bad thing. Selling a 50k loan for 300k will leave someone 250k out of pocket!