Do Beheadings Suggest There Is No God?

bwhip · 09-22-2004, 1:39 AM

Bubba mentioned in a post regarding people viewing the recent tragic beheadings of innocents in Iraq, that "it is just more proof there is not a god."

Certainly horrific events such as this have led many people over the years to question how a good and loving God could allow such atrocities. Or if there really is a God at all.

Is that what these acts suggest, - or perhaps that there is a God but not enough people really know Him? Or listen to His guidance?

The Bible records that Jesus said while being crucified, "Father, why hast thou forsaken me?" Sort of sounds like the same thing. "Father, if you exist, why are you letting this happen?"

Yet, many believe that the crucifixion was necessary as it led to the resurrection, and hence the proof of eternal, immortal life. What more meaningful proof of God's existence could there be?

I'm not saying I have all the answers on this, just merely wanted to give everyone a forum to share their feelings about this topic, along with my own.

ND4SPD · 09-22-2004, 7:22 AM

Absolutely not. It just shows us how much evil there is out there and the terrible things we're up against every day.

bubba · 09-22-2004, 9:08 AM

you need to watch the vid to see understand why i made that statement

the guy did not have his head chopped off - would have been to easy. instead it was sawed off using a small knife. the man was screaming and grunting like a pig for quite a while before he passed out from blood loss.

this added to the experiences I have encountered both in the army and as an emt. as well as my personal life travisties that i have experienced in the past and what i am going through now.

all added to the summarization of my post. i am tired of seeing/hearing bad people living good and the good people suffering. why would i continue to put my faith into something that has been proven time and time agian to let me down. after all how many times can you poke yourself in the eye with a pen before you wake up and see that it hurts

figment · 09-22-2004, 9:29 AM

I dont need to watch a video to see that there is cruelty in the world. So I'm never going to seek that out. Bwhip touched on a significant point. God loved us so much that He sent His Son to die for us while we were in rebellion against Him. By our rebellion each of us has shown ourselves unworhty of His love. Yet His love endures. Jesus REALLY lived, thats a historic fact. His followers preached His message after His assention, thats also an historic fact. The message they preached was delivered all over the known world and copies are still available to verfy it to this day. Is this not proof enough?

The Bible tells us the weapons of our warfare are not physical but spiritual and they can be used against the strongest evils here on earth or elsewhere. Most people forget this message when their hearts fill with anger against an enemies attack. Sure, in the present time there are hardships and evil, but God will put an end to it all one day. Free will and other evil influences are hard at work in the world today. The "weather: is getting bad but even though my physical body may be affected here, The Bible also tells us that nothing can separate us from the love of God. I know that because of Christs work on the cross, I will live with Him in eternity. Not because I deserve it, but because He LOVES ME. More than I can comprehend right now.

bubba · 09-22-2004, 11:11 AM

answer me this - how was the universe created

ER · 09-22-2004, 11:29 AM

Excellent post figment.

There's not much else I can say, but to answer the original question: No, evil and cruelty do not suggest that there is no God. For every example of such an act you can find an example of God's touch or work around us. God gives man a free-will, and we will all be held accountable for how we've used it. We don't have to have an answer for everything in life to know that.

Bubba, you've probably read the first chapters of Genesis so you know how the Bible describes the creation of the universe. But what's the point? You needn't look any further than your own body to find an example of something tangible that you can't fully describe or understand. How were we created? How did the incalcuable complexities and wonders in our own bodies come to be? How do my eyes see, my ears hear, my body fights off infection, etc, etc?

figment · 09-22-2004, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bubba

answer me this - how was the universe created

I doubt if I answered your question if it would make any difference.

IMHO What we are dealing with here is not a head-trip. It's heart surgery. I can answer every question you or anyone else could dream up with a reasonable explanation, but what does that accomplish unless you have a real desire to seek God. He says He is the REWARDER of those who seek Him...

asiliat · 09-22-2004, 12:02 PM

The beheading suggest that islam is a false religion. Of course, so-called Christians have done the same thing, but the New Testiment doesn't have any justification on why people should be killed for any cause, whereas islam do have passages that allow them to do it.

Rios929 · 09-22-2004, 12:26 PM

[quote=figment I can answer every question you or anyone else could dream up with a reasonable explanation...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but none of the answers are falsifyable. I can probably come up with a reasonable explanation of why black cats are bad luck, or how fortune tellers see into the the future too.

BTW, that video was the sickest sh*t I've ever seen. It makes you realize just how lucky you are.

figment · 09-22-2004, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rios929

Yeah, but none of the answers are falsifyable. I ..

did you mean verifiable? There are certain things you can prove and certain things you can not. At this time for many phenomemon a reasonable explanation is all we can offer both as scientists and theists. Reason is most always a good thing to use.

Is there a God? How can there NOT be?

Rios929 · 09-22-2004, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by figment

did you mean verifiable? There are certain things you can prove and certain things you can not. At this time for many phenomemon a reasonable explanation is all we can offer both as scientists and theists. Reason is most always a good thing to use.

Is there a God? How can there NOT be?

No, I meant falsifyable. In science, for any explanation to be taken seriously, there must be a way it can be proved wrong.

figment · 09-22-2004, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rios929

No, I meant falsifyable. In science, for any explanation to be taken seriously, there must be a way it can be proved wrong.

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"Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)"

Falsifiable \Fal"si*fi`a*ble\, a. [Cf. OF. falsifiable.]
Capable of being falsified, counterfeited, or corrupted.
--Johnson.

anyway, I think I've said my piece on this topic about beheadings and evil and such...

Rios929 · 09-22-2004, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by figment

anyway, I think I've said my piece on this topic about beheadings and evil and such...

Not sure what you're confused about, that's exactly what I said. If someone proposes an explanation, if there is absolutely no way to go about trying to prove it wrong, then it's worthless.

deez · 09-28-2004, 4:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ND4SPD

Absolutely not. It just shows us how much evil there is out there and the terrible things we're up against every day.

stegen · 10-06-2004, 6:43 PM

I went to church (first time in YEARS) with this girl I liked a few years ago. Well my loud mouth started a argument with some of the church goers. I was saying there is no such thing as good etc. My example was:

Say from the day you are born you are told god is great and belive in him fully. Well you do. You never miss church, pray all the time, you live god. shouldnt that make you immune to the attrocities of society? shouldnt God protect you? if you serve god, shouldnt he make you life good?

deez · 10-06-2004, 7:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stegen

I went to church (first time in YEARS) with this girl I liked a few years ago. Well my loud mouth started a argument with some of the church goers. I was saying there is no such thing as good etc. My example was:

Say from the day you are born you are told god is great and belive in him fully. Well you do. You never miss church, pray all the time, you live god. shouldnt that make you immune to the attrocities of society? shouldnt God protect you? if you serve god, shouldnt he make you life good?

No, that isn't how it works. God will not give you more than you can handle in life if you walk with him. He will also get your back, constantly. Atrocities happen, that isn't his fault. People like to blame God for many things, and you just can't. But I can't really explain all this to you, you either believe or you don't, and you understand or you don't. Faith is hard for many people, very difficult. But when you have it, well I can't vouch for everyone, but it works for me. I feel a 6th sense many days that God is with me, listening to me, and meeting my prayer requests. God will make your life good, but only when you push all of your worries, anxieties, etc, onto him and trust him 100 percent.

stegen · 10-06-2004, 9:03 PM

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Originally Posted by booth23

No, that isn't how it works. God will not give you more than you can handle in life if you walk with him. He will also get your back, constantly. Atrocities happen, that isn't his fault. People like to blame God for many things, and you just can't. But I can't really explain all this to you, you either believe or you don't, and you understand or you don't. Faith is hard for many people, very difficult. But when you have it, well I can't vouch for everyone, but it works for me. I feel a 6th sense many days that God is with me, listening to me, and meeting my prayer requests. God will make your life good, but only when you push all of your worries, anxieties, etc, onto him and trust him 100 percent.

thats what i am saying. You said "god will make your life good." So you are saying that if you "work" for god and get into a car accident and become a parapalegic (sp), that is good?

stegen · 10-06-2004, 9:04 PM

this is why i never subscribed to this part of the forum cuz it is always a argument.

bwhip · 10-07-2004, 1:42 AM

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Originally Posted by booth23

No, that isn't how it works. God will not give you more than you can handle in life if you walk with him. He will also get your back, constantly. Atrocities happen, that isn't his fault. People like to blame God for many things, and you just can't. But I can't really explain all this to you, you either believe or you don't, and you understand or you don't. Faith is hard for many people, very difficult. But when you have it, well I can't vouch for everyone, but it works for me. I feel a 6th sense many days that God is with me, listening to me, and meeting my prayer requests. God will make your life good, but only when you push all of your worries, anxieties, etc, onto him and trust him 100 percent.

Well stated, in a very non-denominational way Booth.

Sgtsride · 10-07-2004, 6:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bubba

answer me this - how was the universe created

God had an orgasm, thus the 'Big Bang'. At first there was only thought or pure potentiality which needed to be manifest in order for the creator to experience everything through 'Its' creation.

ND4SPD · 10-07-2004, 8:52 AM

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Originally Posted by stegen

thats what i am saying. You said "god will make your life good." So you are saying that if you "work" for god and get into a car accident and become a parapalegic (sp), that is good?

It may or may not be the best for you, but it might impact someone else's life in such a manner that they might think twice about something that could hurt someone, possibly themselves. Never know, He has the bigger plan.

Well said booth.

figment · 10-07-2004, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by stegen

this is why i never subscribed to this part of the forum cuz it is always a argument.

an argument is a very GOOD thing if you are comfortable with its subject matter. I encourage you to continue your arguments, to refine them and to further understand why you believe the things you do.

stegen · 10-07-2004, 1:19 PM

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Originally Posted by figment

an argument is a very GOOD thing if you are comfortable with its subject matter. I encourage you to continue your arguments, to refine them and to further understand why you believe the things you do.

Why thank you figment