Contradictions in the Bible

figment · 09-28-2005, 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

I guess you've got me on a technicality.

you can come out of the corner now

phobiaphobe · 09-28-2005, 5:48 PM

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Originally Posted by figment

you can come out of the corner now

I've seen you use the phrase "master plan". So how can we have freedom of choice if there is a master plan?

figment · 09-28-2005, 6:03 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

I've seen you use the phrase "master plan". So how can we have freedom of choice if there is a master plan?

Free will
and omnicience based on two positions.
and
If God knows our free will choices,
do we still have free will?

phobiaphobe · 09-28-2005, 6:27 PM

Ok the author goes through all that work building a case and then blows it again at the end:

In fact, since He has eternally known what all our free choices will be, He has ordained history to come to the conclusion that He wishes including and incorporating our choices into His divine plan.

Ok so if he simply knows what our choices will be without actually choosing for us, then his 'divine plan' is not a plan at all.

luvtolean · 09-28-2005, 7:26 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Ok the author goes through all that work building a case and then blows it again at the end:

In fact, since He has eternally known what all our free choices will be, He has ordained history to come to the conclusion that He wishes including and incorporating our choices into His divine plan. Ok so if he simply knows what our choices will be without actually choosing for us, then his 'divine plan' is not a plan at all.

Yeah, amazingly poor. Bonehead contradicts his argument in the conclusion. Someone didn't pay attention in fourth grade english.

figment · 09-28-2005, 7:37 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Ok so if he simply knows what our choices will be without actually choosing for us, then his 'divine plan' is not a plan at all.

You're putting too much emphasis on your own action effecting His plan. Like a general in an army has a plan, not everyone on his side is as influential to the plan as some are. The things a lot of people do is background noise I'd imagine

figment · 09-28-2005, 7:39 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

Yeah, amazingly poor. Bonehead contradicts his argument in the conclusion. Someone didn't pay attention in fourth grade english.

care to explain your position?

BTW, I'm glad you're not so busy as you thought you'd be :wink:

SuperDave · 09-29-2005, 2:33 PM

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fst929 · 09-30-2005, 2:57 PM

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Even with that extremely weak explanation, 569 box cars each holding 480 animals only equals 136560 species if you assume 2 each. With 1.75 million named species, even if we assumed that 2/3rds are aquatic, that still leaves out 310213 animals. There might be another 15 million unnamed species.

I'm pretty sure the animals wouldn't all stack neatly on top of one another like cuddly little bricks. And I'm pretty sure you can't toss 480 different animals in a boxcar and not have at least half of them die. Better X1000 the size of that 450 foot long ship for all of the cages, food, the staff of 5000 and their quarters, the crew of 500, and the tens of thousands of tonnes of supplies.

When you use a little logic it starts to sound more and more absurd.

where did they go to the bathroom???

fst929 · 09-30-2005, 2:58 PM

so many contradictiojns...they could be thier own book!

fst929 · 09-30-2005, 3:01 PM

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...adictions.html

nedro · 09-30-2005, 3:43 PM

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http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...adictions.html

Snails do not melt

PSA 58:8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.

Am I reading this correctly? Are we to let die any child born out of wedlock???

luvtolean · 09-30-2005, 3:50 PM

All of Psalm 58 is a contradiction. It has little to do with "turning the other cheek"...that's for sure.

The Bible was written by lots of people in many different ages. They did not have the luxury of comparing notes. Of course it has contradictions.

RidinHigh · 10-09-2005, 12:37 AM

As far as contradictions in the Bible, let's just say it's like me trying to tell a story that you wrote, it just will never work. The same with the Bible, people don't know what it's all about. Hell Christ was a Jew!!! Why is 97% of the people in this country crying christianity..............................

bwp777 · 10-12-2005, 5:40 PM

It is great to see someone discussing the bible on a sportbike website. The bible has "no" contradictions whatsoever. I surely don't understand everything about the bible or why the Lord allows us to make our own decisions sometime, but I would much rather serve a loving Savior that knows what I'm going to do and how it will all play out so that when I do make the wrong decision then he will be there to help me back up on my feet to try again. I feel for all the people who don't understand because I too have been in their shoes and it is very frustrating to say the least, however if you are very honest with yourself you would admit that we "all" have a void in our lives for something more. I tried to fill it with women, drugs, and other vises that only satisfy for a short time and then you still feel the void. If you give Jesus just one chance then you will never have to try and fill this void ever and I can truly say it is a relief. Just give Him one chance and if I'm lying to you then expose me for the phony you think I am. Thank you for the conversation

luvtolean · 10-12-2005, 5:45 PM

I won't call you a phony or liar, as it clearly works for you, but I pretty much wholly disagree with everything you said for me.

Welcome to the site.

bwp777 · 10-12-2005, 6:10 PM

luvtolean? If you have not tried then plese don't say you disagree with everything! You mean there is "no" truth for you?

luvtolean · 10-12-2005, 6:16 PM

Have not tried what? Organized religion? Reading the Bible?

I've made other posts on my past regarding religion you probably didn't see.

To paraphrase:

Been there, done that. And not casually.

I've read, studied and prayed about the King James Bible in great detail.

bwp777 · 10-12-2005, 6:27 PM

I'm sorry that I've been out of the loop until this moment so you are correct with your statement that I don't know anything about your past or your present, but it does sound as if you have been disappointed with a religious experience or something very close. I don't mean to offend or condemn for sure. Christ called us to be witnesses and there are to many who think they are judge, jury and executioner. Religion as you have said wether it is Baptist, Catholic etc..... is a man made system that unfortunately distorts what Jesus died for in the first place and this is much to common in my humble view. We are to be believers in Christ not oragnized religion. It is good that you once read the Bible and you may have read many things that you didn't understand as I do but there isa website you may find helpful with the ark and noah and dinosaurs. AnswersinGenesis.com I believe. I hope this helps and don't give up

luvtolean · 10-12-2005, 6:45 PM

Thanks for the concern.

I've not had a "bad experience" or a "bad" religious person that has swayed me in any one way or another. It's far more complicated than that.

My main disagreement with you was the "filling of a hole" or "something missing" from my life. That it takes religion to fill that. For some it does. I don't say that in a disparaging manner. Many of my family feel that very thing. But I don't. I'm very comfortable with either outcome:

1) If there is a God, I am confident I have lived a good and just life. I don't fear my judgement.
2) If that's it, there's nothing, that's cool too. I don't need to believe in a hereafter to feel a good and just life is worth living.

I love the motto, "live like you'll die tomorrow, learn like you'll live forever."

I also choose to trust in myself over a prayer and the hope it will be answered.

We'll leave it at that.

bwp777 · 10-12-2005, 6:52 PM

I agree that the motto is good for sure, however your good works and just life style will not get you into Heaven. Only a personal relationship with Jesus period. This goes for us all. I must return home now
Thanks again

luvtolean · 10-12-2005, 6:53 PM

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I agree that the motto is good for sure, however your good works and just life style will not get you into Heaven. Only a personal relationship with Jesus period. This goes for us all. I must return home now
Thanks again

So says your belief system.

Have a good evening.

ConqSoft · 10-12-2005, 6:54 PM

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however your good works and just life style will not get you into Heaven.

...assuming there is a "Heaven"...

phobiaphobe · 10-12-2005, 6:55 PM

I like the Hindu system. You have to keep coming back until you get it right. Plus they have some cool-ass gods.

luvtolean · 10-12-2005, 6:57 PM

But you can't have a steak!!

RidinHigh · 10-12-2005, 8:54 PM

If you really want to deal with the Bible, we must remember it's a history book that deals with the past,present, and the future. We get myths from man but facts from the word of Yah. Ex: Man gave us Christmas(what a joke) but if you read Jeremiah 10:1-5 it's plain to see that this a vain custom practiced by the pagans and not in accordance with the word. Just somethin' to meditate on.......