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03-07-2006, 7:56 AM
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| Fred Phelps!? Sorry, this guy is a POS: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/06/bts...als/index.html
Actual text from the article: Dodge City showdown at funeral
By Ed Lavandera
CNN
Monday, March 6, 2006; Posted: 8:33 p.m. EST (01:33 GMT) DODGE CITY, Kansas (CNN) -- This past Saturday morning I found myself in a five-car caravan cutting across the Kansas plains with about 30 religious protesters. In the back of a truck, there were signs that read "Thank God for IED's" and "Thank God for Dead Soldiers."
I was with the Phelps family. They've launched a disturbing campaign to tarnish the funerals of fallen soldiers.
This is a painful drama playing out at dozens of military funerals across the country. The group is led by Fred Phelps.
He and his family have picketed and heckled military families at more than 100 funerals since June. They say the soldiers are fighting for an army that represents a country that accepts homosexuality.
I have spent a great deal of time in the last few weeks tracking the movements of Fred Phelps and his family. Saturday, I followed him and his family from their home in Topeka, Kansas, to a funeral in Dodge City, Kansas.
Fred Phelps is the pastor of Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka. The congregation is made up mostly of his family. Phelps has 13 children, 54 grandchildren and 7 great-grandchildren.
He describes himself as an "old-time" gospel preacher who says, "You can't preach the Bible without preaching the hatred of God."
Phelps and his family have made a name for themselves by showing up at high-profile events preaching their hate-filled brand of Christianity. They blame homosexuals for the destruction of America.
This past weekend's target was Army Sgt. Jessie Davila.
Davila was killed February 20 in Iraq by a suicide bomber. He served as a Marine after graduating from high school. He returned to civilian life, and had a daughter. But he was always a soldier at heart, so two years ago he joined the Army National Guard and was three months into an Iraqi deployment when he was killed.
This is also very much a story about another phenomenon the Phelps protest has created. That's the birth of a group called the "Patriot Guard Riders." They're a volunteer group that came together after hearing that so many military families were being blindsided by the protesters.
More than 400 motorcycles thundered toward this showdown in Dodge City this weekend to make sure Sgt. Jessie Davila's funeral was not overshadowed by the Phelps protest. They converged from small towns all over southwest Kansas to support Sgt. Davila's family. One group leader says, "I knew we would have a crowd, but I didn't know it would be this big."
The procession of rolling thunder escorted Davila's family from memorial services to the grave site on a quiet hill.
In the end, Sgt. Davila's family says they were only able to hear a little bit of the Phelps protest. Davila's mother, Linda Claus, says she's grateful for the Patriot Guard Riders. But she also wants other military families to be aware that this could happen to them.
"When people begin to know what they're (Fred Phelps' family) really doing -- killing the American Dream -- they won't be around very long, because nobody's going to let them. They'll drown them out. They'll be gone," Claus said.
Since CNN started airing reports on these funeral confrontations a few weeks ago, the Patriot Guard Riders say its membership has almost tripled. And more than a dozen states are now considering legislation that would restrict protesting at funerals.
The Phelps family vows to continue these protests. They might be outnumbered, but the way the Patriot Guard Riders see it, it only takes one of them to dishonor the memory of a fallen soldier. |
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03-07-2006, 8:01 AM
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| Re: Fred Phelps!? I was and am against this war, but that rotten piece of **** Phelps needs to have his dead, burnt body (and those of his "congregation") dragged through the streets. Most heinous thing I've ever heard - desecrating the funerals of our fallen soldiers. ****ing scumbag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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03-07-2006, 8:17 AM
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| Re: Fred Phelps!? That's horrible  Someone should definitely handle that guy  |
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03-07-2006, 8:19 AM
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| Re: Fred Phelps!? Phelps is an idiot. There's no other way to put it. He is a moron.
I've heard about the bikers and their attemt to rid the Phelps and their followers from their stupid rituals. How dare anyone, for any reason, bring on any more pain to a family that has just lost a loved one. If they want to speak out against the war then they can. It is a "Free Country". However if they hate what this Country stands for and has such disregard towards "MY COUNTRY'S SOLDIERS" then they can pack up and get out. It would hurt me as a Christian to tell the Phelps and the rest of the family and followers that. In fact, I feel they should be tried for treason.
Am I against Homosexuality? I don't approve of the lifestyle, but I respect that people are people and have a free will. In my eyes homosexuality is wrong, but you wouldn't see me at someone's funeral denouncing their lifestyle.
He says, "Thank God for IED's. " In that case, strap one to Phelp's back and let him see what it's like to have shrapnel tear through his fragile body.
I know that two wrongs don't make a right, but I think it would be comical to see a group of soldiers gather at Phelps little Cult of a Church and throw a party. Maybe they could have some firing demonstrations, and other noise making festivities while Phelps is trying to have service.
I say "God bless the soldiers". God bless this Country". God bless the Patriot Guard Riders defending it all".
Phelps isn't a Christian leader by any means. He is an idiot hiding behind the name of a Christian and shaming Christians while at it. He is shaming the Baptist Denomination while he's at it as well. It embarrasses and angers me to know that this guys claims Christ. |
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03-07-2006, 11:01 AM
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| Re: Fred Phelps!? I think we can all rest assured this guy in NOT going to heaven. He used to appear in Wichita frequently with his band of freaks and spew pure hatred. yet the TV stations kept showing him over and over. Drove me NUTS. |
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03-07-2006, 8:14 PM
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| Re: Fred Phelps!? [quote=DJChyk]I think we can all rest assured this guy in NOT going to heaven. He used to appear in Wichita frequently with his band of freaks and spew pure hatred. yet the TV stations kept showing him over and over. Drove me NUTS.[/quo
still does  and they still do  |
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