What are the Ten Commandments?

esoteric · 06-17-2006, 4:08 PM

GorillaMask.net Videos: Stephen Colbert asks Congressman
Westmoreland about the 10 Commandments

Custom900 · 06-17-2006, 5:37 PM

I believe that if you are going to try and defend something that you should know what you're talking about. That Congressman was an idiot for not knowing what he was talking about and then trying to defend that which he was ignorant about.

..............and what are the 10 Commandments????
1. Do not have other gods besides Me.
2. Do not make an idol for yourself,
3. Do not misuse the name of the Lord your God,
4. Remember to dedicate the Sabbath day:
5. Honor your father and your mother
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not give false testimony against your neighbor.
10. Do not covet

Ex 20:2-17 (HCSB)

I don't find a single reason to not publically post this within a Public Judicial Building. It's a simple guideline for right and wrong.

dattaway · 06-17-2006, 5:57 PM

I see no religious significance to the Ten Commandments other than its our first documented rules. The first one "worship no other" sounds a lot like "worship no other flag." and "do not misuse the name..." as "do not burn the flag" etc... While I don't think some of those should be laws, like burning the flag, I would think such a person would be crazy for doing so.

GhostRider · 06-17-2006, 6:46 PM

10 Commandments belong in a church. Not a public building. Makes sense to me.

luvtolean · 06-17-2006, 7:17 PM

No point in me weighing in which side I fall one, but what an idiot. It's not like the topic of the interview was a surprise. You'd think he'd take 15 mins of prep before the interview and sort that out.

CBR929RE · 06-17-2006, 10:05 PM

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No point in me weighing in which side I fall one, but what an idiot. It's not like the topic of the interview was a surprise. You'd think he'd take 15 mins of prep before the interview and sort that out.

15 minutes of prep for the 10 commandments? thats some hardcore studying. 5 minutes should be more than enough.

Stephen Colbert does awesome interviews. Everyone involved in major politics should be given a debriefing on him in case they ever do an interview with him. he asks such simple questions that they never have even a decent answer to and they come out looking like complete idiots.

phobiaphobe · 06-17-2006, 10:49 PM

And all with a straight face.

esoteric · 06-17-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dattaway

I see no religious significance to the Ten Commandments other than its our first documented rules.

However you want to interpret them, the religous significance is that it's a document affixed to the Christian religions under claim to have be sent by a deity. How much less of a religous significance is there?
"our rules" as you say, can only be an effective term if you're of some flavor of Christian faith. For the rest of us they're definitely not "our rules". You can look into any older religion and see there are other documented "first" rules whether so collated or otherise disbursed. It's hardly a first on its own.

As far as being a "nice thing" for some people to have to look at, they hardly even parallel US law:
->1. Do not have other gods besides Me.
Wouldn't even make it to the books.
->2. Do not make an idol for yourself,
Wouldn't even make it to the books.
->3. Do not misuse the name of the Lord your God,
Wouldn't even make it to the books.
->4. Remember to dedicate the Sabbath day:
Wouldn't even make it to the books.
->5. Honor your father and your mother
Wouldn't even make it to the books.
->6. Do not murder.
That's one.
->7. Do not commit adultery.
Varies state to state. Call it 1/2 a law which is pretty weak.
->8. Do not steal.
That's two.
->9. Do not give false testimony against your neighbor.
That's three.
->10. Do not covet
Wouldn't even make it to the books.

So, you're looking at about 35% "penetration" into the books. Except for that 1/2, which is laughable, the other three are fairly strong and neutral to religion. Post all 10? Ah, no. Post 3.5 of them? Pretty weak.

Custom900 · 06-18-2006, 12:12 AM

Here, this will translate better for you:

The Cowboy's Ten Commandments
(posted on the wall at Cross Trails Church in Fairlie,
Texas)

(1) Just one God.
(2) Honor yer Ma & Pa.
(3) No tellin' tales or gossipin'.
(4) Git yourself to Sunday meetin'.
(5) Put nothin' before God.
(6) No foolin' around with another fellow's gal.
(7) No killin.'
(8) Watch yer mouth.
(9) Don't take what ain't yers.
(10) Don't be hankerin' for yer buddy's stuff.

Now that's kinda plain an' simple, don't ya think?

Y'all have a good day.

Take it as rules and guidelines Esoteric.

dattaway · 06-18-2006, 3:26 AM

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Originally Posted by esoteric

How much less of a religous significance is there?

Just change God to Country and there you have it. We worship the country we live in. Its called Nationalism. Everyone has been brought up to worship the flag. That's why we have such a war over Pledge of the Allegiance vs. School Prayer.

Religion wants their time back.

esoteric · 06-18-2006, 3:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dattaway

Just change God to Country and there you have it.

What exactly do I have there?

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Originally Posted by dattaway

We worship the country we live in. Its called Nationalism. Everyone has been brought up to worship the flag.

WE don't. YOU might. EVERYONE isn't; in your neck of the woods, possibly.
Worship is a strictly religous term. Clearly from the 10 above, for much of the population to worship the country would be sinful. If anything is worship worthy, it would be something divine, of which I believe there is nothing. No institution, individual, or object is worthy of worship as that woudl cause that thing to be "above" all and everyone else, above all other beings and things that may exist and have yet to be discovered by man. Such a suggestion is presumptuous and preposterous. The state is far from perfect, just a mechanism, clearly far from divine.
Even your religions have difficulty agreeing on what is representable, worshipable, and valid. Christianity in its advances across the world has constantly mutated, absorbing local customs and practices into its makeup. MExican and central American churches are heavy on artifacts and iconography, are they not? Icons are/were prohibited in different periods for different sects in Europe.

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Religion wants their time back.

All religion or is a particular group pushing for A religion? Everyone's time? It can't have something back that it doesn't rightfully deserve.

Scout · 06-18-2006, 9:54 AM

Being a Christian, I believe there should be that seperation, and as discussed other places, I'll tell you why:

I do not want to enter my local courthouse and see the 1st church of satans 10 rules of misbehavior, or buddhas rules to live by, or christian scientists rules of improvement, I just want to get my business done.

So it's no biggy, you believe what you believe, and don't infringe on my right to believe what I believe. Okay?

(To me, I'll let God judge man. Sorry if this offends you.)

esoteric · 06-18-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Scout

Being a Christian, I believe there should be that seperation, and as discussed other places, I'll tell you why:

I do not want to enter my local courthouse and see the 1st church of satans 10 rules of misbehavior, or buddhas rules to live by, or christian scientists rules of improvement, I just want to get my business done.

So it's no biggy, you believe what you believe, and don't infringe on my right to believe what I believe. Okay?

(To me, I'll let God judge man. Sorry if this offends you.)

JBODIE · 07-09-2006, 5:05 PM

SCOUT , i could not say it any better.

I totally agree with your post.

booracer · 07-09-2006, 5:09 PM

thank you. scout.

trippd · 02-17-2007, 8:04 PM

Living by the ten commandments would probably make our world a better place. The first 5 refer to what our relationship should be to God who is love & the second 5 refers to how we should relate to our fellow human being; the fifth one says essentially to respect our mother & father as well as God as our heavenly father. Its not a matter of these being on the law books, but are attitudes & behaviors to live by. The history of the human race show that nobody has obeyed them all, all the time. They are like a mirror, showing that our face is dirty, but the mirror can't erase the dirt (sin), we need soap & water from a sink to clean our face. Likewise, we need God to cleanse us from sin by Jesus dying for our sin as a sacrifice we can not pay!

analogbear · 02-18-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by trippd

Living by the ten commandments would probably make our world a better place. The first 5 refer to what our relationship should be to God who is love & the second 5 refers to how we should relate to our fellow human being; the fifth one says essentially to respect our mother & father as well as God as our heavenly father. Its not a matter of these being on the law books, but are attitudes & behaviors to live by. The history of the human race show that nobody has obeyed them all, all the time. They are like a mirror, showing that our face is dirty, but the mirror can't erase the dirt (sin), we need soap & water from a sink to clean our face. Likewise, we need God to cleanse us from sin by Jesus dying for our sin as a sacrifice we can not pay!

How arrogant of you, to suppose that any one list of things, in any one book, that you happen believe, are rules the rest of us ought to live by?

My god may not be your god, and for you to say I "should" have a relationship with my god based on these ridiculuous and exclusionary commandments is rude, insulting, and non-thinking. You should believe, if you belive in them, but don't project your mythology on me.

steingar · 02-18-2007, 2:16 PM

The 10 Commandments can be summarized as Obey authority and keep your hands off other peoples' stuff. They can put that wherever they want.

analogbear · 02-18-2007, 2:34 PM

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Originally Posted by steingar

The 10 Commandments can be summarized as Obey authority and keep your hands off other peoples' stuff. They can put that wherever they want.

I love George carlin, too!

leelover · 02-18-2007, 7:30 PM

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Originally Posted by steingar

The 10 Commandments can be summarized as Obey authority and keep your hands off other peoples' stuff. They can put that wherever they want.

Actually they can be distilled further into "treat others as you wish to be treated".

leelover · 02-18-2007, 7:32 PM

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Originally Posted by analogbear

How arrogant of you, to suppose that any one list of things, in any one book, that you happen believe, are rules the rest of us ought to live by?

My god may not be your god, and for you to say I "should" have a relationship with my god based on these ridiculuous and exclusionary commandments is rude, insulting, and non-thinking. You should believe, if you belive in them, but don't project your mythology on me.

You still can't refute the value of living by the message of them.

trippd's post is good, nicely stated.

analogbear · 02-18-2007, 9:37 PM

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Originally Posted by leelover

You still can't refute the value of living by the message of them.

trippd's post is good, nicely stated.

Omit 1-4, and maybe...

leelover · 02-18-2007, 10:47 PM

They are all important, you just don't see the value.

analogbear · 02-19-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by leelover

They are all important, you just don't see the value.

No, they are only important to people who believe what you believe, or a variation of its theme. There is no value in any statement honoring your god for me, people who don't believe in your god, or anyone who doubts the importance of those first few commandments. This is old material dude, don't go down the same self-righteous road...Just because YOU believe some religious dogma doesn't make it true, applicable to others, or in any way important.

leelover · 02-19-2007, 1:20 AM

If you chose to believe whatever you wish and create your own version of what and who "God" is then you can make it fit what ever you feel comfortable with. THAT is the same old road. Can't live according to rules that are meant to help you achieve the best you can, then just make up new ones that fit your comfort zone.
And deny any true deity, then you are not really responsible.

Sprint1050DA · 02-19-2007, 1:38 AM

Your idea doesn't work for people that have no belief in an all-powerful being.
There are a lot of people who don't see one, they shouldn't be forced to read the bible, it would be meaningless to them.

I also agree with the post that said that it should be kept out so that we don't have to give equal space to every religion.

steingar · 02-19-2007, 9:05 AM

Yeah, my invisible man is better than your invisible man! Actually, I'm not an all powerful entity, I just stayed at a Holiday Inn.

leelover · 02-19-2007, 9:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sprint1050DA

Your idea doesn't work for people that have no belief in an all-powerful being.
There are a lot of people who don't see one, they shouldn't be forced to read the bible, it would be meaningless to them.

I also don't think that anyone should be forced to read anything.
Doesn't matter what any of believe, the "mirror" , and the rules are still in effect. You can ignore them if you wish, but it doesn't change their effect on you.

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Originally Posted by Sprint1050DA

I also agree with the post that said that it should be kept out so that we don't have to give equal space to every religion.

leelover · 02-19-2007, 9:50 AM

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Originally Posted by steingar

Actually, I'm not an all powerful entity, I just stayed at a Holiday Inn.

If that were really true, then you would know it is a "Holiday Inn Express"

analogbear · 02-19-2007, 9:58 AM

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Originally Posted by leelover

If you chose to believe whatever you wish and create your own version of what and who "God" is then you can make it fit what ever you feel comfortable with. THAT is the same old road. Can't live according to rules that are meant to help you achieve the best you can, then just make up new ones that fit your comfort zone.
And deny any true deity, then you are not really responsible.

You can't establish that the god to which you refer is the god for anybody else, based on your own belief. That is ridiculuous, self-righteous, and using a personal emotion to make a generalization. That is like a kid who thinks everyone likes penut butter and banana sandwhiches, because he gats them from his parents. You are one person, who supposedly came to your faith on your own, with great introspection. However, you came to a ready-made faith, without fully investigating others, or learning enough about the philosophy of knowledge and the universe to really choose. I liken it also to a paint by numbers vs. a real artist. You, paint by numbers because you were not able to develop the tools to be an artist. I do not necessarily believe any of what you claim I do, either. Just because you fancy yourself insightful don't make it so, ya know?

We have a fundamental problem, and it may boil down to a mental block, on your part.

I am not judging, questioning, or disparaging your faith, belief, or dogma. In fact, I have great respect for anyone who professes to maintain some faith in the face of all of the contrary evidence, tragedy, and violence associated with faith. I am, however, requiring of you NOT to project that faith onto anyone else, especially me, with any kind of self-righteousness or certainty, as ALL spiritual beliefs, MINE INCLUDED, are but mere mythology. If it makes me happy, great. If something makes you happy, great. Neither of those make them true. They can't be true, they can't be right, and they can't be god. They can only be at best some shadowy human interpretation, and therefore, full of sinful pride, human error, and all the other inherent problems. If you want rules for ALL of us to live by, because we don't all believe in the same god or in the same god the same way, rules ABOUT god (cmdmnts 1-4?) must be excluded from the public sphere. You are free to believe them all you want. But they are offensive to those who do not. You have NO right to exercise your religion in a way that is offensive to others. Freedom of religion is also freedom FROM religion.