[jasonlakewhitne]

So what do you believe the after life is like?
Or do you even believe in an after life.

[lanbrown]

I'll be going what it is cool; the ground.

[pladecalvo]

I don't believe there is any "after life."

[ghbzorro]

The only life I will be involved with after I die is the life of the microbes participating in the decomposition of my body, and even that much assumes my instructions to be cremated are ignored.

[JEBSTER52]

I believe in the Creator and the afterlife! I have seen many miracles in my life and things that science cannot explain. In the end, each of us will have to make that final journey to where the truth lies. I would hate to live my life thinking that there was nothing more to come than the dirt! In 1976 I was working as a Respiratory Tech at a hospital whenone of our geriatric patients coded and we brought him back several times using adrenigenic drugs and CPR. On the very last attempt to bring him back this 80 something old man that I had seen lying in a coma for over a year jumped straight up and lifted his hands up and screamed "Michael, bring me back...Michael" and then he died. The nurses, ICU MD and I just stood there in shock and dismay! I for one believe! Jeb

[WyoJames]

Originally Posted by JEBSTER52

"Michael, bring me back...Michael" and then he died

So God's name is Michael?

[JEBSTER52]

No, but if you knew a little bit about the Bible or Hollywood, which ever you have faith in, you would know that there are only three angels mentioned in the Bible, Gabreil, Michael and Lucifer. Gabreil and Michael are Archangels and Lucifer or Morning Star is a Cherub. Michael was played by John Travolta in the movie "Michael"!

[MACI4LIFE]

Originally Posted by JEBSTER52

I would hate to live my life thinking that there was nothing more to come than the dirt!

you know what's even worse? is thinking that there is an afterlife, thus not living this life to the fullest, then in the end realizing there is no afterlife. Then again, i guess you'll be turning into compost so i guess you wouldn't be realizing anything anyways.

Sorry, but there ain't no afterlife ( atleast none actually told to me about by any creator, only by books written by human beings, and tv showing thousands of people listening to some funny dressed people preaching to us some grand message, and then telling us to donate )

[lanbrown]

Repeat after me:
I HAVE THE POWA!

[JEBSTER52]

I kinda feel sorry for your empty and pointless life...Live Free or Die...is that it? I know that the information That I have studied from some of the greatest minds the world has ever known, such as Sir Issacc Newton, a true believer in the Book of Genesis gave us the Three Laws of Thermodynamics and the very mathmatics that built our Blades. He said he took the knowledge from God's Book. Go to the ICR forum and read for your self 100's of scientist that have found much proof in the Bible that might open you narrow Drive-by-media indoctrinated minds! Jeb

[lanbrown]

Narrow minded? The bible has so many false statements that scientists can poke it full of holes. So Jeb, read this thread and post to it defending your position.
Who Believes in God, Who Doesn't - Poll

[WyoJames]

Originally Posted by JEBSTER52

No, but if you knew a little bit about the Bible or Hollywood, which ever you have faith in, you would know that there are only three angels mentioned in the Bible, Gabreil, Michael and Lucifer. Gabreil and Michael are Archangels and Lucifer or Morning Star is a Cherub. Michael was played by John Travolta in the movie "Michael"!

Oh, what have I done with my life, I haven't spent my time studying something that cannot be proven

[JEBSTER52]

You did not address what I have already put on the table. How can the greatest mind of our time, Newton, a real scientist, unlike an average student of theology , Darwin, not be worth believing, when all you athiest sware by Evolution? Global Warming is a psuedo religion that has to go by faith and bogus science, yet fools will continue to believe in it even as we move into another mini Iceage! I have always been amazed how true the scripture is when it says in the last days men will heap upon themselves false teachers with their itching ears. You would rather believe in little green men instead of a Terrestrial Being that Created the universe. From the poll you spoke of looks like a solid majority is smarter than you thought. In fact, a recent nationwide poll of Americans showed 89% believe in God and 90% believed in an afterlife! Not at all narrow minded! You may not believe in him but he still believes and loves you. Look inside closer! Jeb

[WyoJames]

Did I ever say I didn't believe in God or that I was an athiest? And you assume not believing in the story of the bible means I think I was created by little green men?

And you say I'm narrow minded? You need to work on that one buddy. Die-hard religious follows always consider others narrow-minded, but have you ever taken the time to look at topics such as where man came from from a non-religious point of view?

[JEBSTER52]

I didn't say you were anything friend! I did give you a web site that explores just those questions. I have several degrees that actually study just that and one book that I would recommend to anyone looking for scientific proof of creation to try "Bones of Contention" and "The Long War against God" by DR Henry and John Morris! Both men were Paleophysist/Paleoanthropologist and non-believers when they set out to disprove God. What they found in the earth and in the gene shocked them into believing the truth! I did not mean to hurt anyone feelings, just have a lively debate! Which I am enjoying immensely! JEB

[lanbrown]

If you believe in god that you have no freewill. God has a plan for all and god likes to make people suffer. He will kill people slowly over the course of many years while they endure excruciating pain. if they kill themselves they are damned but if they don't, they live in pain everyday. Then you have the believers that when something bad happens, they pray. Given that god gives you no freewill and has decided what will happen to you, why do they defy the god they worship? Why does god need to be worshipped at all?

[lanbrown]

Originally Posted by JEBSTER52

You did not address what I have already put on the table. How can the greatest mind of our time, Newton, a real scientist, unlike an average student of theology , Darwin, not be worth believing, when all you athiest sware by Evolution? Global Warming is a psuedo religion that has to go by faith and bogus science, yet fools will continue to believe in it even as we move into another mini Iceage! I have always been amazed how true the scripture is when it says in the last days men will heap upon themselves false teachers with their itching ears. You would rather believe in little green men instead of a Terrestrial Being that Created the universe. From the poll you spoke of looks like a solid majority is smarter than you thought. In fact, a recent nationwide poll of Americans showed 89% believe in God and 90% believed in an afterlife! Not at all narrow minded! You may not believe in him but he still believes and loves you. Look inside closer! Jeb

I don't believe in little green men either. Do you know someone that has met god? No you don't, so how do you know he existed? Just because Newton believed in god proves nothing at all.

Atheists don't go door to door or are on TV trying to spread their beliefs, the same cannot be said for the religious crowd. There are how many different religions? They all cannot be right. The earth could also never be covered with water, where did go? There isn't enough water on the earth to make it rain that long. It also shows that god is vindictive and must be a horrible boss as is proved by Lucifer. So why did god have angels that saw the heavens and the earth created? Why did the angels do? Why were they there? Why did he invent space? Why did the planet have creatures on it before us to through us off course?

People that believe are narrow minded, they are sheep. When their life gets tough, they look elsewhere for support. So why do you believe in god and not Muhammad? Or why not Brahman?

[JEBSTER52]

God tells us in Genesis that the difference in Man and beast is that Adam and Eve were given free will and the beast was given instincts alone. He also states that he gave man the power to take domain over the very atoms. Science has never been able to explain why the human brain is so very unique and superior to any computer that man could create and that the data that is processed just by scanning a room for instance is unimaginable. Did that genuis just happen or did , as the bible says in Genesis, God make man like Sons of Gods! God made men write down what he wanted us to see and after that it is simple free will. But have you taken the time to do the research or are you just full of air? HMMM! Jeb

[lanbrown]

Have you taken the time to do the research to find that the bible is full of holes? If the bible is the word of god and it does not add up, then all of it must be a lie.

How does man have free will when god has a plan for everyone? If he has a plan for you, then no matter what you decide is what god wanted; that is not freewill.

Do you believe in putting people in jail? If you do, then you are defying the wishes of god. God has a plan for all and it is not the job of man to punish/judge people. Maybe god wanted Charles Manson to kill people, more then what he killed. Man interfered in the wishes of god.

How did Noah collect all of the species on this planet and fit them on the ark?

Do you believe in homosexuality? Why not, god made the people the way they are. He has a plan for them and why do religious people defy their god? Why has the church changed over time? If you got a divorce, you would no longer be welcome at the church; this is no longer the case. Why would the church protect priests that abused children? Doesn't god have a plan, so the plan of god was to scar these kids for life?

How do you know the bible is real? it has been translated so many times and copied as well that how do you know what the real meaning is? Why was the bible kept from the followers early on?

God basically killed himself; he knew it was going to happen but yet let it happen. Since he has a plan for everyone, he planned to kill himself. Why didn't he go to hell for suicide?

If someone goes around saying that god talks to them, where do they end up? Go to Houston and you can meet god.

[JEBSTER52]

God tells us in Genesis that the difference in Man and beast is that Adam and Eve were given free will and the beast was given instincts alone. He also states that he gave man the power to take domain over the very atoms. Science has never been able to explain why the human brain is so very unique and superior to any computer that man could create and that the data that is processed just by scanning a room for instance is unimaginable. Did that genuis just happen or did , as the bible says in Genesis, God make man like Sons of Gods! God made men write down what he wanted us to see and after that it is simple free will. But have you taken the time to do the research or are you just full of air? HMMM!

You state that Atheists don't spread their lies or religion...That is what is taught in school! Everthing you said about religion can be said about Evolution. There has never been a transitional being evolving from monkey to men or any evidence that changes Evolution from a Theorum to a theory, yet it is forced on everyone as if it had been proven throught observational science. Have you seen the missing link? Have you seen anything that proves the theorum of Macro-evolution? No you have not! It takes faith and strong beliefs and completely discarding the true scientific method. Scientist have excepted a world wide deluge as fact now! They don't say it is biblical but they have excepted the fact that sediment have supported that event! Yhey also have proven through gene and dna research that all men cam from one single bloodline or MAN! Do so research will you? I did not always believe either, unti I found evidence that open my eyes to the fact that the scientific community is deliberating hiding many discoveries that don't point their objective! Read the books I referenced, in fact I will mail you "Bones of Contension" for free as a gift from one Blade Brother to another. Just say the word! Jeb
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I don't believe in little green men either. Do you know someone that has met god? No you don't, so how do you know he existed? Just because Newton believed in god proves nothing at all.

Atheists don't go door to door or are on TV trying to spread their beliefs, the same cannot be said for the religious crowd. There are how many different religions? They all cannot be right. The earth could also never be covered with water, where did go? There isn't enough water on the earth to make it rain that long. It also shows that god is vindictive and must be a horrible boss as is proved by Lucifer. So why did god have angels that saw the heavens and the earth created? Why did the angels do? Why were they there? Why did he invent space? Why did the planet have creatures on it before us to through us off course?

People that believe are narrow minded, they are sheep. When their life gets tough, they look elsewhere for support. So why do you believe in god and not Muhammad? Or why not Brahman?

[lanbrown]

"Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened."

If we ask that cancer is cured then god will answer. That is what the bible says.

[JEBSTER52]

God tells us in Genesis that the difference in Man and beast is that Adam and Eve were given free will and the beast was given instincts alone. He also states that he gave man the power to take domain over the very atoms. Science has never been able to explain why the human brain is so very unique and superior to any computer that man could create and that the data that is processed just by scanning a room for instance is unimaginable. Did that genuis just happen or did , as the bible says in Genesis, God make man like Sons of Gods! God made men write down what he wanted us to see and after that it is simple free will. But have you taken the time to do the research or are you just full of air? HMMM!

You state that Atheists don't spread their lies or religion...That is what is taught in school! Everthing you said about religion can be said about Evolution. There has never been a transitional being evolving from monkey to men or any evidence that changes Evolution from a Theorum to a theory, yet it is forced on everyone as if it had been proven through observational science. Have you seen the missing link? Have you seen anything that proves the theorum of Macro-evolution? No you have not! It takes faith and strong beliefs and completely discarding the true scientific method. Scientist have excepted a world wide deluge as fact now! They don't say it is biblical but they have excepted the fact that sediment have supported that event! They also have proven through gene and dna research that all men cam from one single bloodline or MAN! Do some research will you? I did not always believe either, until I found evidence that opened my eyes to the fact that the scientific community is deliberating hiding many discoveries that don't point their objective! Read the books I referenced, in fact I will mail you "Bones of Contention" for free as a gift from one Blade Brother to another. Just say the word! Jeb

[lanbrown]

You cannot prove that evolution is false, just like people cannot prove that god does exist.

Maybe schools don't want to teach religion because of separation of church and state and if they were to get into the religion aspect, which would they teach? They cannot teach them all. Evolution is real; creatures adapt. We have parts of our bodies that we don't use anymore.

As for the missing link; nope, I have never seen the missing link. The next question is have you seen god? If the answer is no, then what does that prove? If one hasn't seen the missing link and that means it is false, then by not seeing god means that god doesn't exist.

Do you really put that much faith in a book written a very long time ago?

Why don't you follow Ra? What about the Greek gods?

What makes you think that your religion is the right one? There have been many religions, so have last and some have not. What about cults? At onetime, your religion was a cult.

[JEBSTER52]

You are starting to show some classic atheistic talking points. It has been proven that man had no former parts that he no longer uses. The latest theory is based on the X-Men slant. The reason they say there are no discoveries of transitional men in the 100,000 plus digs all over the globe is because it was due to mutative leaps of species. HAHAHA! They have found evidence that they are trying to suppress about the 1,000,000,000 ft core sample they took in Anartica that shown that all the creatures that were suppose to have died by evolutionary standard millions of years ago, were in fact found on the same plain with simple one cell organizms. Dinos were found with men that stood 12 feet tall, and just as the bible tells it, man was fully capable from Adam on to stand erect and invent and build! Most of the falsehoods such as PiltDown man and Lucy have been completely shown to be hoax that were still left in the text book for another 100 years for the sake of denying the Creator. We never had a tail or other useless appendages. Myth and lies and intimadation is what is happening to keep more people like you in the bloody cave! Ha! The Holy Bible that you scoff at has been used to write every major constitution including the Magna Carter to the US Constitution. It along with Jesus has done more to feed the starving and clothe the poor and bring the world together under a simple set of commandments than any other belief in the history of the world. This is a matter of record!

[lanbrown]

Jeb,

Let's try this, rather than proving your god exists. Prove all the other gods from the dawn of time and until now are false; with the exception of yours. most of what you will use are used by other religions as well. So you will not be able to prove that theirs are false without proving your own religion is also false. You could come to the conclusion that there is only one god that all religions follow. Before you get to that, then explain the different beliefs. If it were just a single god, then the stories and beliefs would be the same. The only time the stories are different is when there are lies.

Religion has also caused more deaths than all the wars combined in modern history. What about "You shall not kill" but yet the chruch killed in the name of god. How was the world brought together again?

Do you believe in slavery? If no, then you are defying your god.

[WyoJames]

Originally Posted by JEBSTER52

You state that Atheists don't spread their lies or religion...That is what is taught in school!

Your pure and total ignorance can be summed up by that single statement, since when is simply not teaching religion considered to be teaching atheism?

[pladecalvo]

Originally Posted by JEBSTER52

God tells us in Genesis that the difference in Man and beast is that Adam and Eve were given free will and the beast was given instincts alone.

It doesn't matter one iota what it says in your Bible. Unless you can provide objective, verifiable evidence that your Bible is true then what it contains is irrelevant. I can provide verifiable, objective evidence that your Bible is not infallible. Can you provide verifiable evidence that it is infallible? And as for free-will...omnimax deities and free-will can't co-exist. If you want evidence of that then go to Psalm 139:16 in your own Bible;

"You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!"

So if your god has "scheduled every day of your life", would you please explain how you can make any free will decision that will change what your god has scheduled for you? How do you make a free will decision that might change what is already planned for you and "recorded in his book"???

He also states that he gave man the power to take domain over the very atoms. Science has never been able to explain why the human brain is so very unique and superior to any computer that man could create and that the data that is processed just by scanning a room for instance is unimaginable.

So your premise is...because we don't understand something, the only answer must be that "god did it"?

Did that genuis just happen or did.

No it didn't "just" happen. It is a process of evolution.

God make man like Sons of Gods! God made men write down what he wanted us to see and after that it is simple free will.

Can you provide objective evidence for this statement....and no, you can't use the Bible to prove that the Bible is true.

Originally Posted by JEBSTER52

There has never been a transitional being evolving from monkey.....

That statement shows that you have absolutely no idea what the Theory of Evolution says. Evolution doesn't and never has said that we evolved from monkeys. Please research the subject at a reliable scientific web-site rather than relying on Bible apologist sites that fill your head with pseudo-science and making yourself look an idiot.

Scientist have excepted a world wide deluge as fact now!

Really!! Can you provide evidence from these "scientists"....complete with peer reviewed articles, that back up that ridiculous statement?

If you would like to discuss a world-wide deluge that wiped out all life on the planet save for Noah and his gang, perhaps we could start with you explaining to us how the Egyptians, Chinese and various other civilisations managed to survive it.

[pladecalvo]

Originally Posted by JEBSTER52

I didn't say you were anything friend! I did give you a web site that explores just those questions. I have several degrees that actually study just that and one book that I would recommend to anyone looking for scientific proof of creation to try "Bones of Contention" and "The Long War against God" by DR Henry and John Morris! Both men were Paleophysist/Paleoanthropologist and non-believers when they set out to disprove God.

So because an atheist changes and takes up Christianity, that proves the existence of your god does it? What about all the god believers who become atheists....does that prove the non-existence of your god?

What they found in the earth and in the gene shocked them into believing the truth!

If what you believe IS actually "truth", why is 'faith' such a requirement for Christians? We don't need 'faith' to know that Earth is a sphere nor 'faith' to know that dogs bark so why do you need it for your religion? The only thing in this world that requires "faith" is religious belief and there is one very good reason for that....religion can't exist without it. If Christianity was true there would be no need for faith.

Words such as "faith" and "belief" are essentially meaningless as they are not substantial evidence or proof. Faith and belief can be easily attributed to the lack of proof, therefore words such as these are needed. If what you claim to be "The Truth" is indeed true, then there is no need to rely on faith.

Your prerequisite is not logic and reason. If it were, you'd never appeal to faith. Faith is the last refuge of those who have had their arguments defeated by logic and reason. Logic and reason lead us to accept the extreme unlikelihood that Leprechauns exist. Logic and reason lead us to accept the extreme unlikelihood that fairies exist. Logic and reason lead us to accept the extreme unlikelihood that mermaids exist.

That same logic and reason lead us to accept the extreme unlikelihood that gods exists, yet you discard logic and reason in favour of what you desire to believe because truth is not among your criteria. Your criteria is to accept only what you have decided is true, despite having no support for those beliefs.Your agenda is to pursue anything which might offer some hope of support for beliefs you've already adopted in the absence of support. You are unwilling to accept anything which demonstrates to the contrary of what you believe. You have adopted your idea of truth first and are now seeking support for that choice. That's not a search for truth; it's a search for self-validation. The only "truth" you would be willing to accept is that which you already choose to believe. That which shows your beliefs to be wrong you refuse to accept, even when it is true.

[MACI4LIFE]

Hey Jeb. Here's the definition of scientific theory, as opposed to the literal sense of the word.

Definition of Scientific Theory

[pladecalvo]

I fear it will be wasted on him Mac.