[Chain]

Adam, the debate here isn't about good, solid textiles like the ones you're talking about as much as it is the free-air, flow-thu stuff that just about everyone has jumped on board with in at least one variant since Joe Rocket as a company started the trend two and a half years ago with the Phoenix.

Heck, I've got Tour Master Cortech stuff that I'd bet would slide and protect damn near as well as cowhide, but it sure as heck isn't MESH and it's beastly hot in warm weather. That's why in the three hottest summer months, I use the Phoenix.

At least for now. LTL's workin' on me.

[luvtolean]

Chain : Adam, the debate here isn't about good, solid textiles like the ones you're talking about as much as it is the free-air, flow-thu stuff that just about everyone has jumped on board with in at least one variant since Joe Rocket as a company started the trend two and a half years ago with the Phoenix.


At least for now. LTL's workin' on me.

Yep, dass right.

I'll keep on it Chain.

[Daltrey]

He sure is lucky he had on that phoenix jacket because the leather one would have caught on fire and he would have died. Just another reason to go textile.

[ULEWZ]

Originally Posted by Daltrey

and he would have been died.

What color?

[Daltrey]

well i have the red, black, and grey phoenix 3.0, its the fastest color they had. they said the yamaha blue had been crash tested by all the squids on r1's and they had held up great, so i knew i had to have one.

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by Baketech

Stretcher....
Just curious, when your work situation calls for wearing a flak jacket...do you wear the one that provides the best protection or the one that's the coolest?

Unfortunately at 100 degrees and humid heat stroke can kill you also. So is there any CONSTRUCTIVE options rather than leather?

[ConqSoft]

Originally Posted by sheepofblue

Unfortunately at 100 degrees and humid heat stroke can kill you also. So is there any CONSTRUCTIVE options rather than leather?

Preforated Leather.

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by ConqSoft

Preforated Leather.

Thank you , how does it do on temp though? I used to dirt track at a younger age and full leather was mandatory and I remember getting dripping wet some August nights (and that was Michigan). So is there perforated leather close in cooling to the JR Phoenix?

[HondaGal]

Some suits have lots of perforation. Just like any full protection suit, once you stop moving it gets hot...you'd get hot in mesh too. Best choice is leather.

[Chain]

Originally Posted by sheepofblue

Thank you , how does it do on temp though? I used to dirt track at a younger age and full leather was mandatory and I remember getting dripping wet some August nights (and that was Michigan). So is there perforated leather close in cooling to the JR Phoenix?

Y'know, the leather riding gear manufacturers out there don't want you to think mesh will protect you, because if you do buy into that notion, you might spend your money on a textile jacket instead of cowhide, even perforated cowhide. That's why Vanson, for instance, now makes a leather armed/shouldered riding jacket with mesh torso. So does Tour Master. So do others.

I've been on the scene of a few crashes the last couple three years and have yet to see a total failure of a textile jacket.

If and until someone does a decent study of the effectiveness of mesh textile riding gear, I remain something of a proponet of it. That isn't to say I dislike leather, only that I am, so far, still a believer in mesh garments as one use crash gear.

FWIW

[sheepofblue]

Actually when I stop for gas I seldom unzip the JR since it is only slightly warmer. However I got it for riding on my '84 Ascot for protection and to keep from getting sunburned on long rides. However the Ascot now has a big brother CBR1000RR next to it in the garage :-) soooo......

Might look into some leather for when I get even stupider than normal. Of course for the cost people saying 3-500 who cares. I also am looking at a new helmet, need pants (not a big deal on Ascot), just got a tailbag, want GPS, might need a radar detector etc. My point being there is never enough money, protection, time to ride, or wolf free roads.

[2OHOH2]

I have a black Vanson CSRV jacket, and a gray JR Phoenix jacket. The Vanson is definitely warmer, especially in slow traffic. Since having gotten the (7X more expensive) Vanson, I hardly ever wear the Phoenix. I sweat a little more in it, but I think the added abrasion resistance is worth it.

[KJ's RR]

I've been riding dirt since i was 8 & had a street license @ 16 B4 my car license. I admit I still am a T shirt rider & Yes I had an acccident 15 yrs ago. Got some road rash (dirt helped W/getoffs) Now that I'm older(wiser ) obviously not. I'v been thinking about the Joe Rocket Rio for warmer weather. Any opinions on that particluar jacket. Wife says she can't see me wearing 1 because "That's just not you". Guess I should show her some post. Because she does worry about me on it.

[bubba]

i just bought one and LOVE it.

i have worn full leathers on the street since about 3 years ago, but this heat in GA is too much. I cant ride 10 minutes without being soaked through and after a couple hours starting to feel bad all over. Plus if you are going a a long ride and need to get something to eat you dont have to worry about scaring business away or your arms tripping somebody as they pass by. I bought the JR several weeks ago and it is so much cooler, it only makes sense to ride with it here.

i too worried about it riding up, but after sinching the wasteband down it feels a lot more stable.

[GhostRider]

I have a JR Reactor jacket, and in the extreme heat, its the best for comfort. No doubt you are sacrificing some protection, but you're not giving up as much as it seems.

That poor guy got his jacket burned off by the engine...you can't fault a mesh jacket for melting.

I would continue to wear my jacket when it's extremely hot. Otherwise, it's leather all the way.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by GhostRider

That poor guy got his jacket burned off by the engine...you can't fault a mesh jacket for melting.

And what exactly do you think the friction of sliding across pavement generates?

[KJ's RR]

Originally Posted by bubba

i just bought one and LOVE it.

i have worn full leathers on the street since about 3 years ago, but this heat in GA is too much. I cant ride 10 minutes without being soaked through and after a couple hours starting to feel bad all over. Plus if you are going a a long ride and need to get something to eat you dont have to worry about scaring business away or your arms tripping somebody as they pass by. I bought the JR several weeks ago and it is so much cooler, it only makes sense to ride with it here.

i too worried about it riding up, but after sinching the wasteband down it feels a lot more stable.

Which one the Phoenix or the RIO I was asking about?

[ConqSoft]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

And what exactly do you think the friction of sliding across pavement generates?

Back!

[deez]

I just sold my JR Phoenix Jacket and pants, don't need it anymore I live in Seattle now, it ****ing rains all the time and rarely gets above 80 in the riding season (all 3 ****ing months of it ). I had more than a few friends crash in them and survive with 0 injuries or roadrash. I never had a problem with mine or worried about it. I bought a set of CE armor that I would swap in the JR stuff (and in my leather, used the same set in both) to make me feel a little better. TX heat in the summer, when it's 100 degrees with high humidity, anything but mesh is just too ****ing hot.

This debate is healthy, but at least these guys are using some kind of gear you know? If a guy is going to go buy some mesh stuff because he/she lives in the South where the humidity is awful and the temps high, I really can't say anything. At least they are being responsible enough to wear gear, and be concerned with their safety. I had a CSRV (fully perfed VAnson) in the TX heat, and my goodness, still hot as ****. They only jacket I could wear where it was tolerable was the Mesh. There are always going to be mixed experiences on the product, but IMHO, they are much more favorable than unfavorable. A good friend crashed hard in his, the jacket was destroyed, but he had no roadrash, he busted his collarbone, but he would have done that with a top o the line ****ing Dainese suit. If you are wearing gear with armor, in my book you are being responsible. ARgue about the phucktards out there in T-Shirts and sandals. My $.02

[Chain]

Originally Posted by booth23

This debate is healthy, but at least these guys are using some kind of gear you know?

Exactly.

[DEPO]

Originally Posted by NinerPilot

Sorry Guys,
My 300 lb ass slid a good bit in a Pheonix with no damage to me, but the jacket was toast. I too only wear mine for commuting and around town rides now, but I have no qualms about doing so. I know of at least 2 other people who have tested theirs and had the same results.
Chris

And I have had my 285 lbs (now 271) ass in his leathers and I know this is man who has tested his equipment.... Which worked perfectly.....

[Mo Noyz]

This is why I went with the Fieldsheer Titanium Jacket.

CE armor in the elbows, shoulders, and back.

There is no armor in the Pheonix, correct?

[2OHOH2]

Originally Posted by Mo Noyz

There is no armor in the Pheonix, correct?

It comes with some fairly cheap armor that can easily be upgraded.

[BDA116]

I am a BIG proponent of safety gear, and wear full leathers almost any time I ride. Before I decided to completely give up riding sport bikes on the street, I bought a Mach2 jacket.
Every portion on this jacket in black is perfed leather. More than half the jacket is perfed leather, yet it is extremely cool and comfortable to ride in. I feel every bit as confident in it protecting me as full leather jacket.

Oh, and it works great as offroad protection now.

[TGZ13]

Originally Posted by BDA116

I am a BIG proponent of safety gear, and wear full leathers almost any time I ride. Before I decided to completely give up riding sport bikes on the street, I bought a Mach2 jacket.
Every portion on this jacket in black is perfed leather. More than half the jacket is perfed leather, yet it is extremely cool and comfortable to ride in. I feel every bit as confident in it protecting me as full leather jacket.

Oh, and it works great as offroad protection now.

Now thats what I call a perforated jacket

I am a wearer of the Phoenix type jacket myself and I have to say its a good jacket for the streets but I am a bit hesitant to push in the twisties or on the highway b/c I have seen some of the aftermath of an accident with the mesh jackets. I got my mesh the day after I got my bike b/c I never knew anything about gear and just knew after my first ride in a tshirt that something had to be better then nothing to start with.

Currently looking to get a nice leather jacket (ASTARS Stunt is on the hit list for next month since its an anniversary present). Shortly followed by some track pants