Vemar VSR carbon-fiber helmet

Silent_Assassin · 06-21-2005, 7:54 PM

Ahhhh ! What a nice looking helmet. And light too. I had to look twice to make sure I had it in my hand when I picked it up. Thing is so light it just about floats. I just tried on a large about an hour ago. Damn do I want that thing. I just dont want to pay $900- for the thing.

Sure would go nice with my Black and titanium 954 though. Does anyone here from the site happen to have one?

phobiaphobe · 06-22-2005, 10:14 AM

Damn, your name is just deeply disturbing for some reason.

Nice lids, I wish I had that kind of dough in my budget for one.

oldgoat · 06-22-2005, 12:57 PM

Nice helmet. I think Monte from STT has one.

Pete · 06-22-2005, 1:31 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Damn, your name is just deeply disturbing for some reason.

"You suck enough ass, and eventually, you'll choke on ****."

NOTE to Taz: This quote has been edited from its original format...to fit your screen, or something like that.

phobiaphobe · 06-22-2005, 1:56 PM

HACK cough, cough

EDDIE110171 · 06-22-2005, 2:25 PM

But it's on sale for $764.95. See here.

CBRVFR · 06-22-2005, 4:52 PM

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U.S. DOT and ECE-22.05 Safety Certification

Well don't bother bringing the bling to Grattan, it won't pass inspection. No Snell, no sell.

abtech · 06-22-2005, 4:57 PM

and it looks like crap anyway. Why not just buy some stupid CF stick on paper and wrap it around your head?

fl-929 · 06-22-2005, 6:58 PM

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Well don't bother bringing the bling to Grattan, it won't pass inspection. No Snell, no sell.

So if someone wears a Suomy he can't ride?

ConqSoft · 06-22-2005, 7:01 PM

From the Grattan FAQ:

Q. What type of safety gear is required?

A. Full Face Snell approved helmet no older than 5 years with good shield.

mr_rua · 06-22-2005, 7:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fl-929

So if someone wears a Suomy he can't ride?

Suomy is B.S.I. 6658 compliant. Are the rules at Grattan such that it's Snell or no ride?

abtech · 06-22-2005, 8:36 PM

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Suomy is B.S.I. 6658 compliant. Are the rules at Grattan such that it's Snell or no ride?

The rules for Fireblades.org Days@Grattan are such that if the country you are from uses BSI or ECE as their standard for competition helmets, then they are allowed (as long as they are in excellent condition and less than 5 years old and carry the current certification). If you are from the US, then a Snell 2000 or later certification is required (along with the same age and condition requirements).

Silent_Assassin · 06-22-2005, 10:18 PM

What nobody likes my screen name? It does'nt matter anyway. Trust me it has NO meaning on my part. Yeah, no Snell approval. One of the reasons why I dont like spending that kind of money.

Silent_Assassin · 06-22-2005, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by abtech

and it looks like crap anyway. Why not just buy some stupid CF stick on paper and wrap it around your head?

Do you really think it looks like crap? I actually thought it was half decent. Its obviously not flat which means there is a seem in it. And it just so happens to run down the center of the helmet...... as if you split it in half. Although the seem is noticeable its very well done.

fl-929 · 06-23-2005, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by abtech

The rules for Fireblades.org Days@Grattan are such that if the country you are from uses BSI or ECE as their standard for competition helmets, then they are allowed (as long as they are in excellent condition and less than 5 years old and carry the current certification). If you are from the US, then a Snell 2000 or later certification is required (along with the same age and condition requirements).

I don't understand the logic, but anyway I'm thread jacking.

Better pic of Vemar.

Silent_Assassin · 06-23-2005, 6:35 AM

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Originally Posted by fl-929

I don't understand the logic, but anyway I'm thread jacking.

Better pic of Vemar.

Damn Not 1, but 2 of them. Somebody's got money.

abtech · 06-23-2005, 7:16 AM

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Originally Posted by fl-929

I don't understand the logic, but anyway I'm thread jacking.

The logic is based on following the primary standard for the locality involved. In other words, since this is the US and the prevailing safety standard for competition based helmets is SNELL, that is the requirement. The exception is for people that come from another country where SNELL is not the prevailing safety standard and even purchasing a SNELL certified helmet may be difficult. This is similar to the FIMs requirements since they host riders from around the world.

As I pointed out in another thread, the Suomy helmets may be good, but to maintain their light weight they decided to go for a standard their helmet could pass. The Suomy helmets cannot handle the "second blow" required in the SNELL certification without exceeding the maximum allowable G transfer. I think this speaks for itself . . .

mr_rua · 06-23-2005, 8:05 AM

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The exception is for people that come from another country where SNELL is not the prevailing safety standard and even purchasing a SNELL certified helmet may be difficult.
. . .

My name is Kodos. I am from Rigel 4 and I do not have a SNELL certified helmet.

Sorry, had to do my Simpsons thing.

abtech · 06-23-2005, 8:20 AM

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My name is Kodos. I am from Rigel 4 and I do not have a SNELL certified helmet.

Sorry, had to do my Simpsons thing.

If BDA were coming, I would have to allow the foil helmet as well . . .

ND4SPD · 06-23-2005, 8:23 AM

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If BDA were coming, I would have to allow the foil helmet as well . . .

What about the chrome half bucket that "PETE" wears?

Pete · 06-23-2005, 8:40 AM

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What about the chrome half bucket that "PETE" wears?

A moot point, since stretched swingarms aren't allowed on the track.

fl-929 · 06-23-2005, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by abtech

The Suomy helmets cannot handle the "second blow" required in the SNELL certification without exceeding the maximum allowable G transfer. I think this speaks for itself . . .

The second blow theory was developed by snell for car racers (repeated hits against cage) and not for motorycles. It's possible that Suomy developed their helmet to meet a standard that was better for a cycle rider and not for something designed for auto. But regardless the end result is opinion.

abtech · 06-23-2005, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by fl-929

The second blow theory was developed by snell for car racers (repeated hits against cage) and not for motorycles. It's possible that Suomy developed their helmet to meet a standard that was better for a cycle rider and not for something designed for auto. But regardless the end result is opinion.

Actually, this isn't true at all. If you read the history on the SNELL site, they used the 2 blow test because the ceiling wasn't high enough to drop the anvil with enough force to get the Gs they wanted, thus the birth of the 2 blow test. Later it became apparent that it made a lot of sense as most crashes involve more than 1 blow to the helmet (read through the earlier discussion in the other thread I referred to). According to SNELL, they tested several Suomy helmets and told them what was required to get their helmets certified, but it went against their marketing strategy, so it appears they found someone else who would certify their products . . . .

Snell certification is pretty much the standard for helmets sold and used in the US for competition, but this may change now that several manufacturers are going the "ultra light" route.

sheepofblue · 06-23-2005, 11:48 AM

I would be scared of a helmet that is made of crabon fiber and at high dollar yet the engineers could not meet strength requirements