[blue1000rr]

Originally Posted by Okami

suomy spec 1r they go for 350 just call cycle speed additcts, if thats to much for u try the suomy vandal, go one size smaller, for 280 u cant go wrong. i wear arai quantum to but thats not very up to date with the spec 1 r. stay away from icon, they take about 1-2 years of abuse and they fall apart/loosen up to much. do some research or make some phone calls, some icons retail same price as suomy vandals.

350 for a spec 1r is dirt cheap. i cant seem to find this cycle speed additcts that you speak of though. if you can send me a webiste or phone number

[03swanman954]

Hey Blue1000rr,, Guess what Your going to be old too someday!!! ROFL

Oh and watch out for some of those ol guys they might surprise yah!

I beat alot of guys half my age on the track every year! So just being young doesnt always mean your quicker! But keep thinking that way as us

OLD GUYS keep passing yah on the track,,,Anyways sorry to butt in ,,not my arguement and I will shut up and leave now,,,,Anyways lifes to short to argue about this stuff,,,I would rather argue about Honda vs Ducatti anyday!!! GO HONDA!!! PEACE!!!

[Doomwitha929]

Originally Posted by blue1000rr

first of all it doesnt matter that you have 20 yrs of riding experience, the only thing that that says to me is that your old and probably slow. the second thing is that you say now experienced riders wear icon helmets, jason the host of super bikes wheres icon and i would say he's fairly experienced or else they probably wouldnt give him his own show. and third of all just because you have an odd shaped head or something doesnt mean that icons dont fit other people good. so IMO you should get off your old man power trip

First off you should probably read what I wrote before embarasing yourself by making a bunch of ignorant statements. I have 20 years of riding exp and exp with helmets and riding gear and yes that does in fact matter. Saying I am old nd probably slow was also A pretty immature statement and also wrong. I do not ride like a fool punk true but I am also a skilled rider. I am not sure how age would constitute being slow. In 20 years will Nick Hayden be slow? Somehow I doubt it. Apparently you think youth is a prerequestite for skill. I am sure that is why most accidents are made by younger riders that make unskilled mistakes. I actually said no experienced riders I KNOW wear Icon helmets NOT that NO experienced riders do although In my exp most riders with more then a couple years exp spring for a top of the line lid. Shoei helmets one of the most popular lines there is fit me great so I am not sure where you are comming from in that respect. I Never said Icon helmets were no good because they did not fit me. I said their construction is not as high quality as Shoei and other top line helmets and sorry but that is a fact.
We are trying to help this guy to choose a lid by giving him the benifit of ACTUAL experience and knowledge of helmets not by being irrational and making un supported ignorant rants that make you sound like a 8 year old. Honestly you really just embarassed yourself. If you want to continue feel free I think we have covered this subject well enough so I will not be responding to any more childish comments.

[blue1000rr]

Originally Posted by Doomwitha929

First off you should probably read what I wrote before embarasing yourself by making a bunch of ignorant statements. I have 20 years of riding exp and exp with helmets and riding gear and yes that does in fact matter. Saying I am old nd probably slow was also A pretty immature statement and also wrong. I do not ride like a fool punk true but I am also a skilled rider. I am not sure how age would constitute being slow. In 20 years will Nick Hayden be slow? Somehow I doubt it. Apparently you think youth is a prerequestite for skill. I am sure that is why most accidents are made by younger riders that make unskilled mistakes. I actually said no experienced riders I KNOW wear Icon helmets NOT that NO experienced riders do although In my exp most riders with more then a couple years exp spring for a top of the line lid. Shoei helmets one of the most popular lines there is fit me great so I am not sure where you are comming from in that respect. I Never said Icon helmets were no good because they did not fit me. I said their construction is not as high quality as Shoei and other top line helmets and sorry but that is a fact.
We are trying to help this guy to choose a lid by giving him the benifit of ACTUAL experience and knowledge of helmets not by being irrational and making un supported ignorant rants that make you sound like a 8 year old. Honestly you really just embarassed yourself. If you want to continue feel free I think we have covered this subject well enough so I will not be responding to any more childish comments.

for some reason i dont feel to embarrased

[blue1000rr]

Originally Posted by 03swanman954

Hey Blue1000rr,, Guess what Your going to be old too someday!!! ROFL

Oh and watch out for some of those ol guys they might surprise yah!

I beat alot of guys half my age on the track every year! So just being young doesnt always mean your quicker! But keep thinking that way as us

OLD GUYS keep passing yah on the track,,,Anyways sorry to butt in ,,not my arguement and I will shut up and leave now,,,,Anyways lifes to short to argue about this stuff,,,I would rather argue about Honda vs Ducatti anyday!!! GO HONDA!!! PEACE!!!

yea i just had to give him some flack because in every post ihave read by him says that he has 20 yrs of exp. which may be all well in good and he may have forgotten more about motorcycle then i know but either way that doesnt constitute him to be slamming icon just because he doesnt like them. obviously someone like icon or else they would probably be out of business

[03swanman954]

Originally Posted by blue1000rr

yea i just had to give him some flack because in every post ihave read by him says that he has 20 yrs of exp. which may be all well in good and he may have forgotten more about motorcycle then i know but either way that doesnt constitute him to be slamming icon just because he doesnt like them. obviously someone like icon or else they would probably be out of business

Yeah I personally LOVE ICON,, I have an ICON MAINFRAME SUBHUMAN helmet and Gloves and 2 Icon Jackets,,a Merc Hero and a Motorhead jacket and an ICON Vest and an ICON backpack and what else am I missing,,oh yeah Icon Hooligan Denim Jeans,,,so OH YEAH I LOVE MY ICON Products,,and I have some alpinestar jackets and leathers,,but I do LOVE MY ICON PRODUCTS,,very brand loyal!

I think there are many great companys out there today pumping out really kewl stuff! And it all comes down to personal preferrance. I am old as Dirt but do love my Icon, Alpinestar, Joe Rocket and a few others,,its all good!

[Doomwitha929]

Swan are you saying it is all personal preferrance and some gear is not superior to other gear? I really hope that is not the advice you are going to give people trying to pick gear. Although I do not think their helmets are great Icon does have a lot of nice gear as far as jackets etc.

[scorpi810]

Thanks Swan I think I am sold on a icon for my next helmet

[03swanman954]

Originally Posted by Doomwitha929

Swan are you saying it is all personal preferrance and some gear is not superior to other gear? I really hope that is not the advice you are going to give people trying to pick gear. Although I do not think their helmets are great Icon does have a lot of nice gear as far as jackets etc.

I think if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to pay 600 bucks to a Grand for a helmet that gives you NO BETTER protection than my 300 buck Icon,, more power to you. Look at consumer reports the 200 buck HJC's crack with about the same pressure as the Show IE's and all the other over priced helmets. And dont get me wrong I was seriously thinking about buying a new Show E the other day they have a new Red White and blue(American Theme) one that I love. Maybe next year!!

Bottomline any full face helmet is a heck of alot better than these half helmets most Harley riders wear. Cant wait to see their jaw 500 yards behind them as they hit the pavement at 60mph. So again yes I think it does come down to personal pref. I have a 50 buck Camo Bieffe helmet (used for riding my ATV) that is better constructed than my 300 buck BELL Moto helmet that I baught about 15 years ago for Motocross, so thats what about an 800 dollar helmet today. LOL My Point Technology has made everything alot better than in our days,,no offense.

And eitherway when you hit that mack truck at 175 mph its not going to matter if your wearing a Show E or a HJC,or and ICON, eitherway your roadkill.

So in the words of Rick Johnson(and yes I am dating myself) it doesnt matter if you win or loose. Its all how good you look doing it. Peace!

[Doomwitha929]

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testin...8/2006s218.pdf

I did a little looking around and found some DOT test data on helmets Only one that I saw had an ICON which failed but HJC was listed several times and failed a good amount of the time while Shoei and Arai passed almost every time. I have to admit I think I confused HJC with KBC though. One of them is pretty cheap.

[Doomwitha929]

And eitherway when you hit that mack truck at 175 mph its not going to matter if your wearing a Show E or a HJC,or and ICON, eitherway your roadkill.

Well that is pretty true. I do think that even beyond saftey the quality of construction counts for a lot and I have seen a lot of helmets that do not hold up. Of course like everything else some of that depends on how it is treated.

[03swanman954]

Originally Posted by scorpi810

Thanks Swan I think I am sold on a icon for my next helmet

I did my first standup wheelie(do not advicate doing this btw) in many years and when I came down I dumped my bike just before winter,,,putting a new upper fairing on it next wed,,will be here Tues,,but anyways , my point is I dumped my bike and smack my head hard on the pavement and never felt a thing. My Icon did its job , but dont take my word for it,,many thousands of riders wear Icon helmets and for that matter all the same for the big buck ones and the cheap ones. So basically read the reviews and the consumer reports and buy what YOU want,,but I strongly recommend this,, IF your going to buy ONLINE,,go into a shop that sells Icon's and try one on,,even if its not the model or color you want just to make sure you get the right Size for your head. Course you probably already know this,,but just a friendly tip.

[03swanman954]

Originally Posted by Doomwitha929

And eitherway when you hit that mack truck at 175 mph its not going to matter if your wearing a Show E or a HJC,or and ICON, eitherway your roadkill.

Well that is pretty true. I do think that even beyond saftey the quality of construction counts for a lot and I have seen a lot of helmets that do not hold up. Of course like everything else some of that depends on how it is treated.

Totally Agree with you, I have a friend who has a faded ICON and its all chewed up ,,he throws it to the ground and everytime I hear it hit the pavement I say to him your stressing out that helmet and that will weaken it for when you need it most. Of course he just laughs at me, but I totally agree!

[Doomwitha929]

The best helmet is the one you WILL WEAR.

[03swanman954]

Originally Posted by Doomwitha929

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testin...8/2006s218.pdf

I did a little looking around and found some DOT test data on helmets Only one that I saw had an ICON which failed but HJC was listed several times and failed a good amount of the time while Shoei and Arai passed almost every time. I have to admit I think I confused HJC with KBC though. One of them is pretty cheap.

Thats a nice link but honestly maybe you believe everything the Government throws at you ,,I dont,,, I like consumer reports personally , because to date they are not baught and sold like every other source out there and yes I will go on a limb and say our Government is baught and sold. But for that debate we should probably take this thread elsewhere. LOL Peace!!!

I honestly am not a huge fan of the Domain helmets,,no offense to those who have them and dont really like HJC,,but my wife wears one.

Like I said before they are all good pick one! Your heads not going to know the difference when you hit that mack truck. But as long as your WEARING one I think you have a better chance of survival than NOT wearing one!

Thanks again for the link I did find it interesting!

[03swanman954]

Originally Posted by Doomwitha929

The best helmet is the one you WILL WEAR.

Again Doom Couldnt Agree with you more!!!! Thats why I say get what you like!!!

[TattooedGQ]

Originally Posted by Doomwitha929

The best helmet is the one you WILL WEAR.

Finally a rational statement that isnt part of a D__K measuring contest!

[Doomwitha929]

LOL. mine is longer by the way lol

[TattooedGQ]

Wow....thats impressive.....it MUST be freakishly large

[Doomwitha929]

LOL It occured to me I dont think anyone ever said if they or anyone they know had actually ever crashed bad with a head impact while wearing an ICON helmet. It would be good to get some first hand info on actual crashes on an ICON or any other brand for that matter.

[TattooedGQ]

actually a guy on sportbike chat on myspace has pics up of him after an Arai wreck. I'm going to try to copy/paste it here



Posted: Feb 11, 2008 5:19 AM
1st off graphics are cool n all but thats not the 1st thing i or anyone should be lookin at 1st....look at the saftey ratings and try that **** on...see how it fits YOUR head...everyones heads are shaped diffrent so diffrent helemets will fit people diffrently i love my icon helmet ive been down with it and its still good to go...i will also stand behind shoei ...its way more comfy than my icon and it actually breaths better too dispiite all the vents on the icon helmet....as for arai...maybe i got a bum helemet i dunno they seem to be pretty popular but heres a pic of a time i went down with a arai helmet that cracked in two...so i guess i just wouldnt put my stock in that brand because of that....as far as prices go everything now days is over priced from helmets to toilet paper so...**** buy what you want but ill stand behind shoei and icon products....and alpine as far as gear goes.
<img src="http://i28.tinypic.com/157zt36.jpg" border="0"></a>

[TattooedGQ]

OK the pic didn't embed....here's the link to the pic direct:

http://i28.tinypic.com/157zt36.jpg

[Doomwitha929]

" i love my icon helmet ive been down with it and its still good to go"

Er? I really hope if you crashed with a helmet and it took any sort of impact you are NOT still wearing it.

[TattooedGQ]

You picked up on that too huh? I don't know how good to go it is...but on that note, this guy seems to be in a lot of wrecks.

[blue1000rr]

Originally Posted by TattooedGQ

OK the pic didn't embed....here's the link to the pic direct:

http://i28.tinypic.com/157zt36.jpg

pretty nice cut, but much better then brains on the pavement

[BloodDust]

I have a ICON DFA helmet and I LOVE ICON. But everyones nugget is diffrent wear what feels good and will protect ur brain pan