Scraped my shoe

Maxsurgeon15 · 08-12-2008, 6:58 AM

Just looking for some advice here. I went out riding late earlier tonight to some windy roads in my area and was really trying to get my bike low, well... I did.. But it wasn't my knee that hit the ground, it was the toe of my shoe. Now I think its because more of my heel was on the peg and facing to outwards in an attempt to angle my knee better. I think it would be best to keep my toe on the peg and swing the heel inwards to tuck it into the bike. What do you guys think?

MCR001 · 08-12-2008, 8:31 AM

On the pegs for me (straight foot).

sheepofblue · 08-12-2008, 12:03 PM

Ride on the balls of your feet unless you are shifting. Gives you more clearance and leverage.

jhonda41 · 08-12-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepofblue

Ride on the balls of your feet unless you are shifting. Gives you more clearance and leverage.

you want your toes to be positioned as if though you could grasp the pegs with them (if you boot wasnt there of course)

oh and lean off the bike more....

oh and if you go looking for your max lean angle on the street, you just might find it

-jh

Maxsurgeon15 · 08-12-2008, 4:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jhonda41

you want your toes to be positioned as if though you could grasp the pegs with them (if you boot wasnt there of course)

oh and lean off the bike more....

oh and if you go looking for your max lean angle on the street, you just might find it

-jh

Thats what I was thinking about the toes... Do you really think I'm in risk of losing it? This specific spot that I do it at is very familiar to me and when I ride it I just go back and forth on it but theres no spots on the road or anything and its not really high speed either, maybe 35-40 max.

ptlcb1 · 08-12-2008, 11:00 PM

Out of curiousity, why is it you want to find your maximum lean angle on the street, at night?

rokitt51 · 08-12-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ptlcb1

Out of curiousity, why is it you want to find your maximum lean angle on the street, at night?

Maxsurgeon15 · 08-12-2008, 11:31 PM

Out of curiosity... why not?

Like I said.. well lit, no traffic area with top speeds of 35-40 max.

I'm a poor college kid that doesn't have the money or the time to go to the track, they can do it on round-abouts so why can't I?
Maybe instead of asking rhetorical questions you could be of some substantial service and actually answer the questions I ask...

ptlcb1 · 08-13-2008, 12:07 AM

I see I scraped your ego like you scraped your foot. That wasnt the intent of me asking you what I did, but sure, I will answer your question since you answered mine. That leads me to another question...Do you always do what others do?
Not sure why you mentioned you are a poor college kid, but since you did, I will base my answer around your own words...

I think its safe to assume that you are in college to learn. That means you are attending classes to learn of a career that you plan to base the rest of your life around. In class you learn by reading, and doing research on whatever subject is taught in that class. So, assuming that you graduate, and you seem to be a bright kid, you will be better equipped to make the most of the career you have chosen...

Treat your riding the same way. READ and RESEARCH how to performance ride a sport motorcycle since you are too poor or dont have the time to attend a track day to learn how to do it the right way.

This way, you would have known how to position your feet on the bike because you obviously did not know... Knowledge is what you need to seek since you are a poor college kid. After all, thats why you are in school... Doing what others do could cost you, and from your own words, it doesnt sound like you can afford dropping your bike by doing things on it that you really dont know how too...

Scroll back up and re-read your first thread and you tell me how smart it sounds that you are trying to get maximum lean on a bike, at night, and you scraped your foot doing so... I would asked that same thing if you were 50 yrs old and you started this thread by ASKING us here on this forum what we thought of your toe scraping experience....

Maxsurgeon15 · 08-13-2008, 1:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlcb1

I see I scraped your ego like you scraped your foot. That wasnt the intent of me asking you what I did, but sure, I will answer your question since you answered mine. That leads me to another question...Do you always do what others do?
Not sure why you mentioned you are a poor college kid, but since you did, I will base my answer around your own words...

I think its safe to assume that you are in college to learn. That means you are attending classes to learn of a career that you plan to base the rest of your life around. In class you learn by reading, and doing research on whatever subject is taught in that class. So, assuming that you graduate, and you seem to be a bright kid, you will be better equipped to make the most of the career you have chosen...

Treat your riding the same way. READ and RESEARCH how to performance ride a sport motorcycle since you are too poor or dont have the time to attend a track day to learn how to do it the right way.

This way, you would have known how to position your feet on the bike because you obviously did not know... Knowledge is what you need to seek since you are a poor college kid. After all, thats why you are in school... Doing what others do could cost you, and from your own words, it doesnt sound like you can afford dropping your bike by doing things on it that you really dont know how too...

Scroll back up and re-read your first thread and you tell me how smart it sounds that you are trying to get maximum lean on a bike, at night, and you scraped your foot doing so... I would asked that same thing if you were 50 yrs old and you started this thread by ASKING us here on this forum what we thought of your toe scraping experience....

Yes, advice.. Advice on why it happened. Not personal opinions about how safe you think it is or why I shouldn't be doing it. If you want to tell me something about WHY its not safe (that I haven't already defended) then I'll appreciate every letter that extends from your fingers...

But yeah I said I'm a poor college kid... I spend most of my extra money on school so my parents don't have to and it just so happens that the closest track to me doesn't offer public walk ons. So in my head whats the next best thing? Where do I go to get advice from riding veterans on my technique and other questions? A forum sounds like a great place to me..

Now don't get me wrong.. I'm not trying to insult you or make you look bad but I'm here for information to better myself and short non descriptive statements don't tell me anything..

jhonda41 · 08-13-2008, 1:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxsurgeon15

Thats what I was thinking about the toes... Do you really think I'm in risk of losing it? This specific spot that I do it at is very familiar to me and when I ride it I just go back and forth on it but theres no spots on the road or anything and its not really high speed either, maybe 35-40 max.

Not trying to lecture you Max, but the fact is, if you're on the street there are always at least two variables that you cannot control... 1. the different animals that can potentially cross into your path 2. other vehicles. It doesnt matter how many times you've traveled back and forth (even within minutes), there is always a chance that one of those can bite you in the ass... just my

I've almost crashed because of a squirrel and I've recently had a 16 year old airhead almost kill me at low speeds on a road "very familiar to me."

You're a big boy, just be careful

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Originally Posted by Maxsurgeon15

Yes, advice.. Advice on why it happened. Not personal opinions about how safe you think it is or why I shouldn't be doing it. If you want to tell me something about WHY its not safe (that I haven't already defended) then I'll appreciate every letter that extends from your fingers...

That kinds comes with the territory. Most of us dont mean any harm by it, just dont want you to make the same mistakes that they or others have made..

BTW, As seen by my avatar, I shouldnt really be giving advice on body position.

That said, pick your toes up, slide your ass off and find an empty parking lot to practice in.

Maxsurgeon15 · 08-13-2008, 2:13 AM

Thanks jhonda. I know what you guys are trying to do for me and I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I know your all older and have been down this path before. That and all the nice parking lots are tar around here!!

CBR929RE · 08-13-2008, 2:27 AM

as others have said you put the balls of your feet on the pegs and keep your heels in. if you slide your entire body laterally on the bike to the inside of the turn keeping your center line parallel with the bikes center line it'll be easy to stick your knee out. you'll find it easier to get your knee out when you have your feet and body in the correct position.

notice my foot position in the first pic, my foot is probably just like that on the other side too. now notice the guy behind me in the second pic, you can also put your foot on the tip of the peg, it can help you rotate your leg outward to get your knee out if you are having trouble doing it with your foot more on the peg.

Maxsurgeon15 · 08-13-2008, 2:41 AM

Ok that puts a picture to the words! Thanks cbr929!

CBR929RE · 08-13-2008, 2:47 AM

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Ok that puts a picture to the words! Thanks cbr929!

happy to help (plus I get to show off pics of me at the track

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jhonda41 · 08-13-2008, 2:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CBR929RE

notice my foot position in the first pic, my foot is probably just like that on the other side too. now notice the guy behind me in the second pic, you can also put your foot on the tip of the peg, it can help you rotate your leg outward to get your knee out if you are having trouble doing it with your foot more on the peg.

on the whale fin action you got going there. Looks familiar, but I just cant put my finger on it.

I've heard conflicting stories on how to position the outside foot. Some folks say to plant the heel into the peg so that it is more stable. My avatar doesnt reflect this because I am in the middle of the esses and I couldnt transition fast enough so I stayed on my toes. thoughts?

-jh

CBR929RE · 08-13-2008, 3:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jhonda41

on the whale fin action you got going there. Looks familiar, but I just cant put my finger on it.

I've heard conflicting stories on how to position the outside foot. Some folks say to plant the heel into the peg so that it is more stable. My avatar doesnt reflect this because I am in the middle of the esses and I couldnt transition fast enough so I stayed on my toes. thoughts?

-jh

if I remember correctly at the Penguin Racing School they teach to put the balls of your feet on the pegs on both sides. Makes sliding side to side easier. This was just in the beginner course, not sure if they go into more detail or advanced foot position stuff in the advanced class. To me keeping both feet on my toes it feels more like I'm grabbing the pegs with my toes just like your fingers wrap around the bars. I think if you keep your outside foot on the ball you get better leverage to apple pressure on that peg for quicker transitions over to that side.

jhonda41 · 08-13-2008, 3:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CBR929RE

if I remember correctly at the Penguin Racing School they teach to put the balls of your feet on the pegs on both sides. Makes sliding side to side easier. This was just in the beginner course, not sure if they go into more detail or advanced foot position stuff in the advanced class. To me keeping both feet on my toes it feels more like I'm grabbing the pegs with my toes just like your fingers wrap around the bars. I think if you keep your outside foot on the ball you get better leverage to apple pressure on that peg for quicker transitions over to that side.

Check the peg marks on the bottom of this guy's boot.

He's putting a helluva lot of pressure on two different parts of his sole.

Of course everyone's style is different and for now I am comfortable staying on my toes through chicanes and such. I was trying to work on setting that outside foot differently and it felt good.

Maxsurgeon15 · 08-13-2008, 3:34 AM

irishracer · 01-10-2009, 7:58 AM

theres a better angle.. dont worry about doin your thing on the roads, we do it here for sport,although its bright and medics arent to far away.but you have to practice somewere

imcamod81 · 01-30-2009, 8:40 PM

Max, I feel your pain on the broke in school thing. It really makes you appreciate the pay check when you get it.

As for the tips, I appreciate them. The closest track to me is over 300 miles away. I do plan to take in a couple of track days if possible this summer.

Like you I was a canyon warrior in college. About the only thing I could afford to do on a regular basis. Gas was a lot cheaper when I was in school. I will stop at that.

As for body positioning, I think everybody should have to hustle a snowmobile through the twisties once. There you can ride with one foot in the tunnel stirrup and the other across the top of the seat with your butt about 6" off the snow. You rely completely on your grip on the bars. Similar, but different. Makes switch backs fun to negotiate.

One more question. Does foot position change with solid versus pivoting pegs?

CBR929RE · 01-31-2009, 2:36 PM

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Max, I feel your pain on the broke in school thing. It really makes you appreciate the pay check when you get it.

As for the tips, I appreciate them. The closest track to me is over 300 miles away. I do plan to take in a couple of track days if possible this summer.

Like you I was a canyon warrior in college. About the only thing I could afford to do on a regular basis. Gas was a lot cheaper when I was in school. I will stop at that.

As for body positioning, I think everybody should have to hustle a snowmobile through the twisties once. There you can ride with one foot in the tunnel stirrup and the other across the top of the seat with your butt about 6" off the snow. You rely completely on your grip on the bars. Similar, but different. Makes switch backs fun to negotiate.

One more question. Does foot position change with solid versus pivoting pegs?

where are you located?

foot position stays the same. the pegs don't fold when your feet are on them so they are the same as non-folding ones.

imcamod81 · 01-31-2009, 7:21 PM

I am in central SD. The flat prairies do not make for much spirited riding. Luckily I am in the Missouri River valley and there are a few twisty roads to ride on. The best sport bike riding is in the Black Hills. Many nice canyon roads.

The tracks near me are Mid-America Motorplex in the Omaha area, Heartland Park Topeka and BIR in northern MN. All are at least 300 miles from my doorstep.

The reason for asking about the foot pegs is that I have a tendency to kind of pull the pegs backward when I am riding on the balls of my feet or there abouts. I have also tried placing my feet outside slightly over the end of the peg like shown in the one photo. The RC has stock pegs and the NC has rigid pegs.

I guess I just need to concentrate more on these little things. Kind of like dribbling in basketball. Who cares if you can slam dunk if you can't dribble. All sports have good performance founded on good fundamentals.

CBR929RE · 01-31-2009, 9:33 PM

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I am in central SD. The flat prairies do not make for much spirited riding. Luckily I am in the Missouri River valley and there are a few twisty roads to ride on. The best sport bike riding is in the Black Hills. Many nice canyon roads.

The tracks near me are Mid-America Motorplex in the Omaha area, Heartland Park Topeka and BIR in northern MN. All are at least 300 miles from my doorstep.

The reason for asking about the foot pegs is that I have a tendency to kind of pull the pegs backward when I am riding on the balls of my feet or there abouts. I have also tried placing my feet outside slightly over the end of the peg like shown in the one photo. The RC has stock pegs and the NC has rigid pegs.

I guess I just need to concentrate more on these little things. Kind of like dribbling in basketball. Who cares if you can slam dunk if you can't dribble. All sports have good performance founded on good fundamentals.

ouch you are SOL, 300 miles from a track. But then again if I don't count NHMS (which sucks) the next closest to me is 310 miles to Pocono which is another Nascar track that I don't wanna try. its like 350 to NJMP and I might try that this summer.

bladeracer · 02-01-2009, 2:19 AM

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foot position stays the same. the pegs don't fold when your feet are on them so they are the same as non-folding ones.

I'm running stock pegs on my 929 and when I grind them they definately fold up :-)
But, no, my foot position doesn't change with folding pegs.
I was given an '80 GSX1100 to race an historic event once and those pegs ground so deep and long it almost felt like I was skating alongside the bike on steel-soled shoes :-)

DANKSOLDIER · 02-01-2009, 3:18 AM

I know this is a older post but has anyone else noticed people riding around with what I like to call DFS or Duck Foot Syndrome, with there toes pointed almost straight out? The only thing I can think of is that they are squeezing the tank so hard with there knees that it is making there feet point out unconsciously? Just a thought, it looks really funny.

CBR929RE · 02-01-2009, 1:07 PM

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I'm running stock pegs on my 929 and when I grind them they definately fold up :-)
But, no, my foot position doesn't change with folding pegs.
I was given an '80 GSX1100 to race an historic event once and those pegs ground so deep and long it almost felt like I was skating alongside the bike on steel-soled shoes :-)

well yeah when you get something pushing up on them from the bottom they'll move

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I know this is a older post but has anyone else noticed people riding around with what I like to call DFS or Duck Foot Syndrome, with there toes pointed almost straight out? The only thing I can think of is that they are squeezing the tank so hard with there knees that it is making there feet point out unconsciously? Just a thought, it looks really funny.

seen it before too, I think its just they haven't been taught where to properly put them. I find its more common for people with larger feet too.