[deez]

http://www.ceracing.com/phpBB2/viewt...e013db7f34ec83

Please read that thread and look for Greg S's post, he is dead on. In the first post, Mamola's comments. And if you remember from the last thread I posted was Colin's own words about the tire choice last race. I completely understand why he has gotten fooked this year. All the people dissing should step up now. I can't imagine dealing with that political nightmare. Michelin tells the guy he can't use that tire, wow I can't see him getting any new parts either.

Edit: Also, I've heard Colin mention chatter all year, someone on Colin's site posted a link earlier in the year and you could see the front wheel skipping across the tarmac.

[929_Nupe]

WOW, that a pretty f***ed up situation to be in. Politics as usual...huh?

[colryn]

What political BS!!!! I would hate to see CEII go to a Yame but if Honda is going to be a dick like that, CE has no choice.

[Baketech]

I'll bite on this troll....

First off...this is one person's perception of the events, doesn't make it the whole truth. As always, that probably lies somewhere in the middle....

Secondly....paddock politics were not invented this year, and CE is by no means it's first victim. Several past champions have struggled with it in the past. Hell, take a look at some Honda champions that rode far worse machinery and eventually triumphed. None of them whined about it, they perservered, and that is the difference between someone who wins and someone who becomes a true champion.

Third....if he had handled himself more professionally in the past, and with less whining he would have had the Repsol job last year. You can't stick your finger in the eye of your employer and not expect them to ignore it...not in life, and not in racing.

Don't misread what I am saying...I respect CE's right to speak his mind, hell I even applaud it. However, when one chooses that path, he foregoes the right to complain about the consequences.

Fourth....MotoGP is a team sport, and you can expect all the politics and team strategy that the format brings. Other riders have more of the total package, so they are rewarded thusly. In a team sport, a rider is forced to make a tough decision....suck it up and be a team player....or decide to put personal goals first. When a rider chooses that path, he puts the burden on his shoulders. Again, I am not knocking his choice...but so far he hasn't delivered the goods using that method, so it's fair to second guess that choice....
Team sports suck that way...some people are cut out for it, some aren't....but that is the cruel way of the world....

Over the years I have tried to warm up to CE and become a fan, but everytime I do, he does something like this to take away my support. Take for example, the childish "Up Yours" comment on the podium this year....
Yes, I know he has tons of fans, and doesn't need me or anyone else, but selfishly, I would like to be able to root for him...

When I think of the term "competitor", CE is certainly on that list...he has a gritty determination that is fun to watch. But when I think of "Champion", he doesn't come to mind.....instead, I think of the determined riders that overcame the adversity of sub-par machinery and team rules without "explanations"...or "excuses" whatever you choose to call them....

These are my opinions and nothing more...Flame Away...

[QuikMike]

Originally Posted by Baketech

I'll bite on this troll....

First off...this is one person's perception of the events, doesn't make it the whole truth. As always, that probably lies somewhere in the middle....

Secondly....paddock politics were not invented this year, and CE is by no means it's first victim. Several past champions have struggled with it in the past. Hell, take a look at some Honda champions that rode far worse machinery and eventually triumphed. None of them whined about it, they perservered, and that is the difference between someone who wins and someone who becomes a true champion.

Third....if he had handled himself more professionally in the past, and with less whining he would have had the Repsol job last year. You can't stick your finger in the eye of your employer and not expect them to ignore it...not in life, and not in racing.

Don't misread what I am saying...I respect CE's right to speak his mind, hell I even applaud it. However, when one chooses that path, he foregoes the right to complain about the consequences.

Fourth....MotoGP is a team sport, and you can expect all the politics and team strategy that the format brings. Other riders have more of the total package, so they are rewarded thusly. In a team sport, a rider is forced to make a tough decision....suck it up and be a team player....or decide to put personal goals first. When a rider chooses that path, he puts the burden on his shoulders. Again, I am not knocking his choice...but so far he hasn't delivered the goods using that method, so it's fair to second guess that choice....
Team sports suck that way...some people are cut out for it, some aren't....but that is the cruel way of the world....

Over the years I have tried to warm up to CE and become a fan, but everytime I do, he does something like this to take away my support. Take for example, the childish "Up Yours" comment on the podium this year....
Yes, I know he has tons of fans, and doesn't need me or anyone else, but selfishly, I would like to be able to root for him...

When I think of the term "competitor", CE is certainly on that list...he has a gritty determination that is fun to watch. But when I think of "Champion", he doesn't come to mind.....instead, I think of the determined riders that overcame the adversity of sub-par machinery and team rules without "explanations"...or "excuses" whatever you choose to call them....

These are my opinions and nothing more...Flame Away...

Amen, brother!!! I agree 100%

Colin earned a lot of my respect in '02 with the epic battle between him and Bayliss, but since then, it's been nothing but "explanations" from him about this and that...I think the guy is an awesome rider and probably an even better person, but the fact remains he has been disappointing this year....I respect Nicky b/c even when he was in 3rd or 4th on occasions this year, he outright said, "I just couldn't go any faster" or "those guy were too fast for me"...instead of, "I been having chatter problems all weekend" or "I need a new chassis"...not knocking the dude, just recounting the facts...and the "Up Yours" comment was out of line in my opinion as well b/c he didn't win a damn thing!!! you got second, Colin!!! I understand your elation on your first podium, but be humble about it....anyways, my flame suit is on....so have at it...

[BDA116]

I agree completely with both Bake and Mike's posts. The difference between Biaggi and Edwards? Edwards is American, and is better at explaining his excuses in english. Problem is, no matter how much you polish ****, it's still ****.

[RRWANTR]

Originally Posted by BDA116

Problem is, no matter how much you polish ****, it's still ****.

You should be quite familiar with the polishing part....Maguire's sir?

[BDA116]

Originally Posted by RRWANTR

You should be quite familiar with the polishing part....Maguire's sir?

Yeah, sure, whatever.

[Holeshot]

Originally Posted by QuikMike

Amen, brother!!! I agree 100%

Colin earned a lot of my respect in '02 with the epic battle between him and Bayliss,

Agreed (I even made a poster for my office from a pic I took that day)! That tunraround at Seca and the battle that followed was momentous. I'd like to see him knuckle-down again and try his hardest to git-er-done. Unfortunatly I've not seen much MotoGP this year so.. I got nothing to say about his performance this year beyond that I hope he gets what he needs to get it together.

[deez]

Originally Posted by Baketech

I'll bite on this troll....

First off...this is one person's perception of the events, doesn't make it the whole truth. As always, that probably lies somewhere in the middle....

Secondly....paddock politics were not invented this year, and CE is by no means it's first victim. Several past champions have struggled with it in the past. Hell, take a look at some Honda champions that rode far worse machinery and eventually triumphed. None of them whined about it, they perservered, and that is the difference between someone who wins and someone who becomes a true champion.

Third....if he had handled himself more professionally in the past, and with less whining he would have had the Repsol job last year. You can't stick your finger in the eye of your employer and not expect them to ignore it...not in life, and not in racing.

Don't misread what I am saying...I respect CE's right to speak his mind, hell I even applaud it. However, when one chooses that path, he foregoes the right to complain about the consequences.

Fourth....MotoGP is a team sport, and you can expect all the politics and team strategy that the format brings. Other riders have more of the total package, so they are rewarded thusly. In a team sport, a rider is forced to make a tough decision....suck it up and be a team player....or decide to put personal goals first. When a rider chooses that path, he puts the burden on his shoulders. Again, I am not knocking his choice...but so far he hasn't delivered the goods using that method, so it's fair to second guess that choice....
Team sports suck that way...some people are cut out for it, some aren't....but that is the cruel way of the world....

Over the years I have tried to warm up to CE and become a fan, but everytime I do, he does something like this to take away my support. Take for example, the childish "Up Yours" comment on the podium this year....
Yes, I know he has tons of fans, and doesn't need me or anyone else, but selfishly, I would like to be able to root for him...

When I think of the term "competitor", CE is certainly on that list...he has a gritty determination that is fun to watch. But when I think of "Champion", he doesn't come to mind.....instead, I think of the determined riders that overcame the adversity of sub-par machinery and team rules without "explanations"...or "excuses" whatever you choose to call them....

These are my opinions and nothing more...Flame Away...

While I totally respect your opinion, I disagree.

You guys jumped his ass last race because he didn't continue to podium, and we now know why. He was told he couldn't run a tire that others on the grid did in fact run. What bullshit. I don't have to go back to Brno and look at the tape to see the front wheel skitting across the tarmac, I believe the guy, because some guy on CE's site posted a URL from one of the first 3 or 4 races and you could see underneath the front tire it was bouncing/skipping so bad.

I don't think the guy is Biaggi, far from it. The bitch will use any excuse he can get. Colin isn't making excuses, he's telling you what isn't going right.
Like a football player being held back by injury, he is being held back. Latest rumor is that Valentino is trying to help him get on with Yamaha...

Baketech I respect that Up yours statement. It was directed at people like you that doubted him. He had much bigger critics, that had been very vocal all year. What do you expect the guy to say? In a sport where polishing the factory knob is rewarded, it's nice to see someone just be real. When he said that I smiled, that is the same guy I met, and I've watched for years now. He tells it like it is, instead of distorting the truth or kissing ass.

As far as his season being a disappointment, I'm not in that boat. After learning all of this over the last month, he's had a great season. He has busted Barros's, Hayden's, and Tamada's ass as he is 4th in the championship, all the while riding on the oldest spec bike with front end chatter all year, and getting told he can't use a tire that the rest of the class can.

[Baketech]

Originally Posted by booth23

Baketech I respect that Up yours statement. It was directed at people like you that doubted him. He had much bigger critics, that had been very vocal all year. What do you expect the guy to say? In a sport where polishing the factory knob is rewarded, it's nice to see someone just be real. When he said that I smiled, that is the same guy I met, and I've watched for years now. He tells it like it is, instead of distorting the truth or kissing ass.

Cheap shot, as I never doubted his ability either verbally or in a post. In fact if you go back and read my posts this year, I have wished him nothing but success.....

And also, if you had read this post, I addressed my feelings about his right to be vocal. I even italicized it....

Originally Posted by Baketech

Don't misread what I am saying...I respect CE's right to speak his mind, hell I even applaud it. However, when one chooses that path, he foregoes the right to complain about the consequences.

It's no surprise we disagree....I am a big fan of personal responsibility. I don't blame others for my shortcomings, and I expect the same of others. It's a simple concept, just not in fashion these days....

[deez]

I hear you, I meant no disrespect at all Baketech. If you weren't one of the people taking shots at him, then I apologize for that

I think the difference is that the bitch will be riding on top machinery and whine about Rossi getting a new part first, or when he was with Yamaha on the best bike they had to offer, complaining about this and that. All CE asked for was a frikkin' chassis, one of the two that were built to deal with the new Michelin rear, he didn't ask for the engine or anything else, considering the other 5 dudes have them, I don't think that is complaining. If he had one of the newer chassis and was whining about Hayden or Barros getting a new engine, I'd understand the shots, but that isn't him. The ****ing guy just wants to get that bike where he can ride it, hell all of them were bitching in the first few races, Sete, Biaggi, even company man Hayden mentioned it. See, all of them got a new chassis to deal with it but I don't remember any of the shot takers saying anything about any of them bitching?
****ing hypocrites.

[BDA116]

Originally Posted by booth23

He has busted Barros's, Hayden's, and Tamada's ass as he is 4th in the championship

Busted who's ass? He's been riding in the back of the pack all but one lucky weekend. He has busted no one's ass. Sure, he's fourth in the championship, but if Hayden, Barros and Tamada had just ridden like a pussy making excuses in the back of the pack rather than fighting for wins and podiums, they'd all be ahead of him.
Look, I like the guy and wish him well, but the hype and excuses are past getting stupid. Bayliss is going back to World Superbike. Edwards should go with him.

[deez]

Yeah it's better to bin your multithousand dollar machine in the sand that ride it to points. Hype? Well you could play both sides and say the same thing about Hayden. Excuses, nahh, I don't share that opinion.

At least there is racing this weekend

[luvtolean]

You think at Yam, he won't be second man to Rossi?

Its simple. CE has to prove himself on substandard machinery like (almost) any other rider.

Yes, I know some boy wonders got better stuff than him to start...

[Baketech]

All I know is this....a true champion puts his head down and rides the wheels off the hand he has been dealt. We all know there will be politics and team orders in a team sport.

What you call "corporate knob polishing", another man will call the desire to win....

CE knows how the game is played...if he chooses not to play along I can respect that. But why choose a team sport in the first place...

[deez]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

You think at Yam, he won't be second man to Rossi?

Its simple. CE has to prove himself on substandard machinery like (almost) any other rider.

Yes, I know some boy wonders got better stuff than him to start...

Yeah he will, most definitely, but that is better than being the 6th man

[BDA116]

Yes, there is hype surrounding any rider - including Hayden. However, he doesn't piss and moan about his bike, he just rides it and does a far better job of it. He has proven his worth already. As far as points go, do you honestly think that there is a difference from 4-6 or 7? If you're not the top or top three, the rest matters not for a company like Honda. What matters is if you can prove you can ride at or near the front on a consistent basis, and do it without embarassing The Company.
Where was Colin in the points last year? Did that hurt or help his future contract? It didn't mean a damned thing.

[RRWANTR]

Originally Posted by BDA116

However, he doesn't piss and moan about his bike,

He's also the one that gets the parts first or second...so he has nothing to say about getting parts.

[deez]

Originally Posted by RRWANTR

He's also the one that gets the parts first or second...so he has nothing to say about getting parts.

Yup, he is on 2 newer chassis than CE, as well as a new engine.

Crash.net has Biaggi's latest whine on there today. This is exactly what I'm talking about, Biaggi has acceess to all the parts............

[Baketech]

You're making the assumption that new parts are better...that's not always the case....

Besides...Biaggi's a better rider....