[Cowboy1600]

IMO those photos show Rossi to be at fault. Have a look at where he is in relation to the "racing line". Look at the lean angle on each bike. Gibbers is far more committed to the corner. Photos 2 & 3 are the best. #2 Rossi's foot is on the ground and his bike is hardly tipped in. Typical of what happens when you run in too hot. Stand/Keep the bike up so you can use a lot more brake. #3 shows Gibbers at almost full lean. Rossi is still behind him, and still not turned in very far. #4, the corner is opening up and more than likely they are on the gas when the hit happens. Rossi is still no where near where he needs to be to make the pass. Gibbers still has the line and the speed. I doubt Rossi's bike would even be in Sete's peripheral by then.

[Cowboy1600]

I made it into a gif.

http://img140.echo.cx/img140/2076/rossi8pd.gif

EDIT: Only it doesnt seem to work as a gif. Right click save as then you can be the animator

[Cowboy1600]

Originally Posted by matt232

http://www2.motogp.com/ppv_multimedi...7588_36228.wmv

You might also wanna tell em what this is....altho after Ive finished D/Ling it

[matt232]

Originally Posted by Cowboy1600

You might also wanna tell em what this is....altho after Ive finished D/Ling it

Sorted

[drinktoo]

Originally Posted by RRWANTR

Take a look at these in sequence....see who's actually in front at turn in....If someone that can post pics actually puts these one after another in the same post in sequence it helps ALOT!

[img=320 z 240]http://www.marca.com/05/04/10/maniobra_rossi/01.jpg[/img]
[img=320 z 240]http://www.marca.com/05/04/10/maniobra_rossi/02.jpg[/img]
[img=320 z 240]http://www.marca.com/05/04/10/maniobra_rossi/03.jpg[/img]
[img=320 z 240]http://www.marca.com/05/04/10/maniobra_rossi/04.jpg[/img]
[img=320 z 240]http://www.marca.com/05/04/10/maniobra_rossi/05.jpg[/img]
[img=320 z 240]http://www.marca.com/05/04/10/maniobra_rossi/06.jpg[/img]
[img=320 z 240]http://www.marca.com/05/04/10/maniobra_rossi/07.jpg[/img]
[img=320 z 240]http://www.marca.com/05/04/10/maniobra_rossi/08.jpg[/img]
[img=320 z 240]http://www.marca.com/05/04/10/maniobra_rossi/09.jpg[/img]

Holy chit mang now that you put it that way it really does look like...... Yup SPEED they are racing! Too bad not everyone sees it that way Yeah you don't stuff people on track days, or at amature races, maybe not even at AMA or BSB, but at the WORLD level let the PRO's do what they do. Sete's alright with it why can't everyone be alright with it. Sete isn't going to just lay down.... He's polite, but don't mistake that for not wanting to be the WORLD champion. He wants it. He's a great racer, on a better bike and this just makes him want it that much more. It also adds to the excitement and drama of the races. I don't know about you guys but I was cheering both racers on as the last lap unfolded and I was at the edge of my seat. I even had some Nascrap fans askin me all kinds of questions about Motogp since they were to busy watching the final moments of "our" race instead of theirs.

[The Sook]

I don't think that "jamming" it part was THAT bad, That's racing and no doubt they were both as late on the brakes as they could be etc......... my problem is with Rossi ushering him to the dirt. He could've pulled that back in no problem and kept a tighter line, he did it the lap before, and you can see in the shots that even after being hit, Sete is still turning it in to make the corner regardless, until Rossi just keeps parking him out on to the dirt. THAT was a f'kin joke. Yeah, you can go too hot into the corner on the brakes, he did 3 or 4 corners ago, and let Sete back in front, BUT, Sete didn't take him out to the gravel trap for doing it and either should Rossi have. No brand lyalty, I follow CEII (the poor bastard that I am). Just poor sportsmanship I rekon. And Sete should have just decked him when they got off the bikes.

[tbeemer]

Originally Posted by drinktoo

...Sete's alright with it why can't everyone be alright with it.

What ever gave you the idea that he's OK with it? Because he didn't go Biaggi during the press conference? Puh-lease. You mean only the absolute top level riders would think of an unsafe stuff move up the inside? If it's such a legit racing move at the WORLD level, why wouldn't everybody and their brother be doing it at every other level without getting their a$$es handed to them by Race Control.

It was a bush-league move and everyone knows it (except a small minority apparently). There was no way he was going to hold his line through that corner going straight like that. If Gibernau hadn't been there to keep him on the track, Rossi would've run so wide you could've driven an RV up underneath him. At least when he did a similar stuff on Biaggi at S. Africa, he was in control and just took the racing line. He didn't just run straight til he hit something, then turn. As for the foot down theorists, there's a huge difference between shifting your foot position on the peg (which he *was* doing a lot) and putting your foot flat on the ground. I don't recall him doing that at all in any corner but the one in question.

Either way, this certainly does spice it up a bit for next week's round, eh? And it gives us racing fans plenty to talk about!

Tom

[RRWANTR]

Originally Posted by tbeemer

There was no way he was going to hold his line through that corner going straight like that. If Gibernau hadn't been there to keep him on the track, Rossi would've run so wide you could've driven an RV up underneath him.
Tom

BSSSSS!!!!! Take a look at two laps before!!!! SAME fing corner, same entry...everything for Rossi!!! Foot off and everything diving on the inside.. Except Sete pulled back and dove on the inside of Rossi with Rossi coming out ahead through the straight. This time Sete didn't back off. Only problem I may have (don't have any with the contact at all) is Rossi not tightening after and forcing Sete into the dirt...in my mind THAT's the only questionable thing. Believe the result would have been the same though even if he hadn'd ushered him in after...Rossi in 1st.

[bubba]

what amazed me about the whole race was the lack of emotion by the crews.


did you see when nicy crashed out? they had cut to the HRC dude and he just sat there never twitched. when sete was forced wide, the doctors crew, friends never battted an eye - it was like they were showing stills of them. that just surprised me especially for the amount of europeans in the sport

[abtech]

Maybe next time someone will sustain a career ending injury and everyone can argue about who was right or wrong. No one needs to hit another rider to win a race regardless of the level of competition. The track is 40 frickin feet wide . . .

[HondaGalToo]

Originally Posted by abtech

Maybe next time someone will sustain a career ending injury and everyone can argue about who was right or wrong. No one needs to hit another rider to win a race regardless of the level of competition. The track is 40 frickin feet wide . . .

Agreed. And I didn't like Rossi's attitude in the post-race interview. Sete handled himself very, very well in the post-race interview. I know, "it's racing", but that just seemed like a dirty move to me. Was it intentional? We'll probably never know.

[SuperDave]

Great race to watch. The last lap is too hard to call. Rossi was stalking Sete the entire race. We ALL knew he was going to pass him, just not that late in the race. Sete had a great race, but he knew the Doctor was right on his heels. I'm really undecided if Rossi was a punk or those two racers were just letting it ALL OUT. I'm also thinking Sete might have done the exact same thing in the last corner if roles were reversed. Competition was at it's finest for the beginning of the GP season, 27 laps is a long race at those speeds, it's just a shame there is this controversy.

As far as Nicky, I'm so sick of seeing the camera shots of "Nicky Hadens DOWN" again, and again, and....ah forget it. I'm just going to expect it now, race after race. "Nicky Hadens going to win it all, one lap to go and a 4 second lead...OH, NICKY HADENS DOWN, NICKY HADENS DOWN!!!"

[HondaGalToo]

Originally Posted by SuperDave

As far as Nicky, I'm so sick of seeing the camera shots of "Nicky Hadens DOWN" again, and again, and....ah forget it. I'm just going to expect it now, race after race. "Nicky Hadens going to win it all, one lap to go and a 4 second lead...OH, NICKY HADENS DOWN, NICKY HADENS DOWN!!!"

Me, too! Man, I was yelling and jumping around. I couldn't believe he wrecked! (Well, I guess I can... ). He was riding really well, and had enough of a lead on Tamada that he should have easily had the 3rd podium position. Damn!

[Pete]

Originally Posted by abtech

No one needs to hit another rider to win a race regardless of the level of competition. The track is 40 frickin feet wide . . .

And that is why I say that Sete should have adjusted his line when he saw Rossi on the inside. I replayed it on DVR in slow-mo several times, and the way I see it, Sete intentionally tightened his line to hit Rossi. Out of control or not, Rossi beat him to the turn, and Sete should have backed off. That is where I believe Rossi's post-race "flippancy" came from.

[SJ96F3]

I taped the race and need to go back and watch it but if I recall, I saw Rossi put his foot down a couple of times throughout the race. I kept wondering if he was having trouble with the bike... Any ideas??? Was it just a sign that he was out of control? As for Nicky... he's proven he could be one of the best riders in the circuit but everytime he's running up front he drops the thing. I agree with what was said before, he had lost pace with the two leaders but still had a 5-6 second lead over 4th and should have just riden for 3rd. Not a bad way to start the season but instead he threw it away. I say let Rossi and Sete fight... maybe they'll crash each other out a few times and let some other guys win some!

[Pete]

Originally Posted by tigerblade

I think I can speak for most of the racers on the board and yeah, that stuff happens but I'd still be tracking the fu##er down in the pits afterwards. It was Sete's corner and Rossi shouldn't have tried stuffing it in there. Has nothing to do with what brands of motorcycles they were on. Close racing is one thing; what happened in that last corner was another.

I was watching the race with several CMRA racers who were pulling for Sete (as was I), and on the replay, every one of them agreed that Sete was the culprit.

[Pete]

And if that little bump hurt Sete's wittle-bitty shwoulder... What a pussy.

[tigerblade]

Originally Posted by Pete

And that is why I say that Sete should have adjusted his line when he saw Rossi on the inside. I replayed it on DVR in slow-mo several times, and the way I see it, Sete intentionally tightened his line to hit Rossi. Out of control or not, Rossi beat him to the turn, and Sete should have backed off. That is where I believe Rossi's post-race "flippancy" came from.

I'll have to watch it again then.

[abtech]

View the overhead shots, you may change your mind about who did what to whom . . .

Where I come from we call Rossi's move "valet parking" . . .

[ReaperAZ]

I thought it was a good race. I'm not gonna bitch and moan about Rossi but up to that point it was good. Sucks that something like that has to happen but when you have two top level races fighting for the same line in the last corner of the last lap, there's always the possiblilty it can happen. I was not shocked when Nicky crashed, I was dissappointed though. As for Biatchi I couldn't help but laugh when the announcers were talking about his "bike troubles" he was having and how he was complaining about them. Biatchi complains.......when did this come about? The Kawi ran strong most of the race and it was cool to see it infront of some of the other bikes. If this race is any indication of how the rest of the season will go then it's gonna be some sweet racing.

[SuperDave]

Originally Posted by Pete

And if that little bump hurt Sete's wittle-bitty shwoulder... What a pussy.

Yea, I forgot about that. I was thinking, he didn't go down did he, no, he was run off and came back on the course.

"I just hope my shoulder is OK for the next race."

Did Rossi's bike slam THAT hard into Sete's shoulder?

[SJ96F3]

I think the official diagnosis is a fractured ego

[tigerblade]

Originally Posted by abtech

View the overhead shots, you may change your mind about who did what to whom . . .

Where I come from we call Rossi's move "valet parking" . . .

Ah, but what would you know?

[nedro]

Does anyone else think that was a boaring race exept for the last couple of laps? Can't wait till next week!