[bwhip]

Originally Posted by abtech

Excuse me? 13 regional or state championships as a pro and 13 years straight top 5 class overall placing since I turned 40 and all as either pro or expert. I think you need to be quiet for awhile . . .

You've been an expert for how long?

I think Rossi had brain-lock and I am a bonifide racer . . .

[Trackho]

Originally Posted by abtech

Excuse me? 13 regional or state championships as a pro and 13 years straight top 5 class overall placing since I turned 40 and all as either pro or expert. I think you need to be quiet for awhile . . .

You've been an expert for how long?

I think Rossi had brain-lock and I am a bonifide racer . . .

Yep this really hurts----heres my results from Race #1 in AFM, where us lowly NOVICES have to race with the big bad experts...see any familiar names?? Like maybe Rapp, Mesa, Hill, Stanton, Siglin, Nakashima, Tigert, Carman or the like?? I find it interesting how none of these guys are ARROGANT enough to tell me to "shut up" because I have a different opinion than them--I'll ask Ken Hill (khill on 1000RR.net) about your racing fame at Freddie Spencer's Pro school this May--I'm sure he'll know all about your "self-perceived greatness" as he is 40 and has run quite a few AMA races (11th at Infineon last year, head crew chief for Geoff May at Daytona this year)--I am fortunate to have most of these guys as friends/mentors, so your "feedback" means approximately squat in my book
I wonder exactly where you would(or "would have" fit in here) --Thanks for sharing", Ill take your input for its "face value" to me. BTW--I am #704 and I am 43
AFM-BW Race 1 Results

[abtech]

Originally Posted by Trackho

Yep this really hurts----heres my results from Race #1 in AFM, where us lowly NOVICES have to race with the big bad experts...see any familiar names?? Like maybe Rapp, Mesa, Hill, Stanton, Siglin, Nakashima, Tigert, Carman or the like?? I find it interesting how none of these guys are ARROGANT enough to tell me to "shut up" because I have a different opinion than them--I'll ask Ken Hill (khill on 1000RR.net) about your racing fame at Freddie Spencer's Pro school this May--I'm sure he'll know all about your "self-perceived greatness" as he is 40 and has run quite a few AMA races (11th at Infineon last year, head crew chief for Geoff May at Daytona this year)--I am fortunate to have most of these guys as friends/mentors, so your "feedback" means approximately squat in my book
I wonder exactly where you would(or "would have" fit in here) --Thanks for sharing", Ill take your input for its "face value" to me. BTW--I am #704 and I am 43
AFM-BW Race 1 Results

OK, you just don't understand. I can deal with that. BTW if Ken Hill is 40, I was in my third year of road and speedway racing when he was born, so no, I don't expect he'll remember me.

My point is that anyone who made as arrogant a post as yours obviously feels that only "bonifide" racers are allowed to have an opinion on the subject of the Rossi/Gibernau incident. You also essentially blew off all the other racers on this forum with your sweeping self serving comment.

I was pointing out that "this racer" has an opinion different than yours and yes, there is racing somewhere else besides AFM and California.
Get back to me when someone "nudges" you into 3 years of reconstructive surgery and a years worth of rehab while trying to make a bullshit pass. You may have a slightly different opinion.

[Trackho]

Originally Posted by abtech

OK, you just don't understand. I can deal with that. BTW if Ken Hill is 40, I was in my third year of road and speedway racing when he was born, so no, I don't expect he'll remember me.

My point is that anyone who made as arrogant a post as yours obviously feels that only "bonifide" racers are allowed to have an opinion on the subject of the Rossi/Gibernau incident. You also essentially blew off all the other racers on this forum with your sweeping self serving comment.

I was pointing out that "this racer" has an opinion different than yours and yes, there is racing somewhere else besides AFM and California. I'm glad you have a lot of friends who are current pros and see that you still enjoy tearing everyone down to size like you tried to do with Speed last year. We all know (because you keep telling us) that you are a Pro level competitor hiding in the "AMATURE" (sic) classes.

Get back to me when someone "nudges" you into 3 years of reconstructive surgery and a years worth of rehab while trying to make a bullshit pass. You may have a slightly different opinion.

Self serving---really??- I just got thru with the same debate on the AFM site, it was a far more equal split in the debate--this one seemed extremely "slanted". I am sorry for your past injuires due to irresponsible race manuevers, but this is a "different ball-game" its MotpGP. I doubt than anyone has first (or second hand experience at this level) and I think that we all have to trust the MotoGP "sanctioning body"--it doesnt appear that they had a problem with it--the same guys that penalized Rossi at Quatar--so we either trust them or we dont--cuz that's MotoGP racing---Lots of guys have been hurt by asshat "wanna-be-hero moves" in club racing--I agree with you that these are stupid/dangerous and I feel bad that you were injured by one---but in my opinion, this is a much "closer call" than most of those--that was my point----- right or wrong-- thus the debate

[abtech]

Originally Posted by Trackho

Self serving---really??- I just got thru with the same debate on the AFM site, it was a far more equal split in the debate--this one seemed extremely "slanted". I am sorry for your past injuires due to irresponsible race manuevers, but this is a "different ball-game" its MotpGP. I doubt than anyone has first (or second hand experience at this level) and I think that we all have to trust the MotoGP "sanctioning body"--it doesnt appear that they had a problem with it--the same guys that penalized Rossi at Quatar--so we either trust them or we dont--cuz that's MotoGP racing---Lots of guys have been hurt by asshat "wanna-be-hero moves" in club racing--I agree with you that these are stupid/dangerous and I feel bad that you were injured by one---but in my opinion, this is a much "closer call" than most of those--that was my point----- right or wrong-- thus the debate

If you ever get a chance to go to RA and take the Schwantz school, take a look at Kevin's right wrist. It's been fused about 4 times because of some "asshat" named Eddie Lawson making a boneheaded pass attempt at Assen, a pass that essentially ended Schwantz's career. Yep they were racing for millions (even way back then), but after the smoke cleared, I think Eddie wishes he found a better place or time to make his move. Yep, that's racing and yes it is a dangerous sport, but hitting another bike/rider to make a pass isn't supposed to be SOP in motorcycle roadracing (let's leave that to ASSCAR)

Maybe I've just become a total geezer, but I'm still around and enjoy the track too much to attempt to squeeze out one more place with a questionable or unsafe pass. I feel the last 2 laps of the MotoGP were great until the final corner and to me it diminished the other 2 or 3 passes that Rossi made on his way past Gibernau. Opinions are like a$$holes and half of them are full of $hit. Maybe mine too . . .

[Pete]

Originally Posted by abtech

Opinions are like a$$holes and half of them are full of $hit. Maybe mine too . . .

MAYBE???

[abtech]

Originally Posted by Pete

MAYBE???

Go climb back in your bass boat coonass . . .

[BDA116]

[wipes Pepsi off monitor] [/wipes Pepsi off monitor]

[Crash]

[Trackho]

OK---I have watched this/rewatched this on Tivo waay too many times--I really cant see it "your guys way"

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by Trackho

OK---I have watched this/rewatched this on Tivo waay too many times--I really cant see it "your guys way"

That's a relief

[nedro]

Hey Jeff, I was going to tell you to take a close look at the scene at 25 seconds into your film clip. It shows Rossi running Sete wide (on purpose it seems). But then in the next view, you clearly see Sete's shoulder releasing Rossi's front brake. As soon as Sete's shoulder goes by, Rossi reapplies the brake and tightens the turn. I think I've finally seen what really happened. Rossi may have come in way too hot. But it really looks like the "running Sete off the track" part happened because of the contact with Sete's shoulder. Not because Rossi intentionally ran him out.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by nedro

But then in the next view, you clearly see Sete's shoulder releasing Rossi's front brake.

Hmmm....good point.

[Trackho]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Hmmm....good point.

Finally the blind can see

[SJ96F3]

I don't know whose fault it was and I'm sure there are good arguments for both... I do think it was poor taste for Rossi to wheelie it all the way to the finish. I mean hell... as much as some people here love Rossi we'd have to ban him from the site for stunting.

[nedro]

Originally Posted by SJ96F3

I don't know whose fault it was and I'm sure there are good arguments for both... I do think it was poor taste for Rossi to wheelie it all the way to the finish. I mean hell... as much as some people here love Rossi we'd have to ban him from the site for stunting.

Nope! It was in a controlled environment. And ya, he's gonna make it hard to root for him.

[CBRVFR]

I can hear Reg Pridmore railing on this as an example of how Sete should have done a better job of protecting the inside line... Would have saved him some problems, it seems.


I say this as someone who has only raced karts. I'm not famous or anything...

[Cowboy1600]

Originally Posted by Trackho

I think that we all have to trust the MotoGP "sanctioning body"--it doesnt appear that they had a problem with it--the same guys that penalized Rossi at Quatar--

You mean the same people that fined the **** outta Hopper and made him sit out for a race, while 1 year later Capirossi was let off scott free for an identical **** up? You know a lot of pundits believe Hopper only got pinged because he apologised to all those involved, and Capirossi got off because he recollection was "next thing I knew I was laying in the gravel".

Also the same people that penalised Rossi and Biagii for a very common practice? Messing with your grid position has been going on for years, the "sanctioning body" always turned a blind eye to it. Do you think, just maybe, that sending Rossi to the back of the grid practically handed the win to Sete, ergo making for a more exciting end to the season?

so we either trust them or we dont

Put me down for a "dont"

[luvtolean]

You really like conspiracy theories don't you?

[tigerblade]

*Disclaimer: I've never ridden in MotoGP; I'm a lowly club racer who broke his back running off the track so as NOT to hit another racer, so my opinions are irrelevant.*

I don't personally think Rossi ran Sete off the track intentionally, but I do think he pushed himself into a bad decision. I know big money is at stake, but isn't the championship is more important than an individual race?

[abtech]

Originally Posted by tigerblade

*Disclaimer: I've never ridden in MotoGP; I'm a lowly club racer who broke his back running off the track so as NOT to hit another racer, so my opinions are irrelevant.*

I don't personally think Rossi ran Sete off the track intentionally, but I do think he pushed himself into a bad decision. I know big money is at stake, but isn't the championship is more important than an individual race?

Just remember: Doctors bury their mistakes . . .

[abtech]

Originally Posted by Trackho

Self serving---really??- I just got thru with the same debate on the AFM site, it was a far more equal split in the debate--this one seemed extremely "slanted". I am sorry for your past injuires due to irresponsible race manuevers, but this is a "different ball-game" its MotpGP. I doubt than anyone has first (or second hand experience at this level) and I think that we all have to trust the MotoGP "sanctioning body"--it doesnt appear that they had a problem with it--the same guys that penalized Rossi at Quatar--so we either trust them or we dont--cuz that's MotoGP racing---Lots of guys have been hurt by asshat "wanna-be-hero moves" in club racing--I agree with you that these are stupid/dangerous and I feel bad that you were injured by one---but in my opinion, this is a much "closer call" than most of those--that was my point----- right or wrong-- thus the debate

OK, I was going to send a PM, but I think maybe it's better posted. When I read your first post, I assumed a couple of things that I now see are incorrect.

The first thing I assumed, was that you were running as a first year expert and that your original comment was directed toward all of the non-expert racers on the forum (and as an expert, you had the inside track on all of the information). This lead me to believe that you were stating only non amateur racers could accurately form an opinion on the subject.

Obviously, the above incorrect assumptions inspired the tirade I posted, as I felt you were slighting ALL of the racers that happen to be members in general and Tigerblade in particular.

I apologize and vow to read all of the posts at least twice before I respond in the future (except when responding to Pete, where I vow to NEVER read them at all).