Chris Vermulen In Moto GP

abed dimachkia · 10-18-2005, 6:33 PM

if we look at dani's cv we can see
the youngest 125cc champion
the youngest 250cc champion (from the first year in 250cc breaking big names in that category)
the youngest rider to win 2 consecutive back to back 250cc championships braking all of rossi's records when rossi was in 250cc

hmmmm from that we can conclude that this guy is a genieus in racing and he has one special thing inside him HE IS FEARLESS & SO COOL watch his race in philipe islad & u'll see clearly what i have said. and to make sure watch the race where his exhaust was bent and this bike needs to breath and he won the race.....

BDA116 · 10-18-2005, 6:35 PM

And those classes are the epitome of top level racing these days as well.

His body isn't big enough to wrestle around a MotoGP bike. He has never ridden a bike with anywhere near the same power characteristics.

He will finish the chamionship behind Edwards next year.

abed dimachkia · 10-18-2005, 6:41 PM

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And those classes are the epitome of top level racing these days as well.

His body isn't big enough to wrestle around a MotoGP bike. He has never ridden a bike with anywhere near the same power characteristics.

He will finish the chamionship behind Edwards next year.

1st of all Edwards doesnot belong to motogp, as for dani trust me he will be next years favourite for the championship he will have all the backup from honda and HRC. I don't think we know better than HRC & Honda if dani fits for motogp, if not they would have not upgraded him. as for Edwards don't take it personal but he will never be a champion in motogp it is not his game.

BDA116 · 10-18-2005, 6:47 PM

I agree, Edwards isn't the best fit in MotoGP. Second, I have NO reason to "trust you", as all kinds of actual experts in MotoGP have stated that Pedrosa will have a VERY steep learning curve.
If HRC didn't think Nicky was a fit for MotoGP they wouldn't keep him, and wouldn't be touting him as their number one rider.
Trust me, Pedrosa will not be anywhere near favorite for champions next year. That will still be Rossi, with Hayden and Melandri the best bets for Honda for second.
Again, Pedrosa will end up behind Edwards. Hell, if Vermulen ends up with a MotoGP ride, I bet he places in fron of Pedrosa as well. At least he has experience with big bikes with big power, as well as high level competition.

abed dimachkia · 10-18-2005, 6:57 PM

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I agree, Edwards isn't the best fit in MotoGP. Second, I have NO reason to "trust you", as all kinds of actual experts in MotoGP have stated that Pedrosa will have a VERY steep learning curve.
If HRC didn't think Nicky was a fit for MotoGP they wouldn't keep him, and wouldn't be touting him as their number one rider.
Trust me, Pedrosa will not be anywhere near favorite for champions next year. That will still be Rossi, with Hayden and Melandri the best bets for Honda for second.
Again, Pedrosa will end up behind Edwards. Hell, if Vermulen ends up with a MotoGP ride, I bet he places in fron of Pedrosa as well. At least he has experience with big bikes with big power, as well as high level competition.

i really appreciate ur opinion, but also nicky is not a champion, he has done a good job in 2 races this year so far:
laguna his home court advantage

philipe island which all the people think he was good but for me he did his job nothing more. being good he has to give rossi a hard times like what melandri has done a race ago. but rossi was comfortable towards the end.
if u dislike the word trust me it is ok so don't trust me

btw my e-mail address is a_dimachkia@hotmail.com
we can chat together

tnarinen · 10-18-2005, 7:03 PM

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Pedrosa won't be anywhere near championship material next year, and to think he will be is beyond laughable.
Nicky is the closest to Rossi right now, but it will take something big for anyone to beat him.

+1. Spot on. I used to think Nicky does not have it in him to rise to the next level, but his performance during 2nd half of the season has proved me somewhat wrong. Nicky seems to be humble enough to study/adjust his own riding and not spend all time blaming the bike like some people (not to name anyone, but there this guy nicknamed "Roman emperor" and another nicked "Michael Bolton"

). As for Pedrosa, let's see if he is the first one that can quickly and successfully move from ~110 RWP 2-stroke to 250+ RWHP diesel, I would not bet money my on that. I still think HRC is is braindead if the don't give Vermeulen a ride for '06. IMHO CV has now shown more than Nicky had after '02 and regardless of what you used to ride it seems take 1-2 years to really get into 4-stroke GP bikes. If even one of the RCV-riders of this year had CV's consistency the would no longer be a race for 2nd.

As for beating Rossi, I dunno, there are lots of excuses (Burgess is a mage, blaah blaah) but I don't buy any of them. Melandri, CV, Pedrosa, Stoner or Nicky may be able to challence him one day, but at the moment I'm humbled everytime I see him race. I think he is to road racing what Gretzky was to hockey or what MJ was to basketball, once in a generation or century phonemen and most guys in the current GP grid feel about him like Salieri felt about Mozart. If former/retired RR champs tell us "Everytime Rossi is racing we're seeing history being made", who am I to question them.

BDA116 · 10-18-2005, 7:09 PM

Nicky IS a champion, since you like tossing around this youngest stuff he was the youngest AMA Superbike champion - far tougher than 125 or 250 GP, and will be a MotoGP champion. Nobody is up to Rossi's level, especially some tiny little jockey-sized kid that can't even dominate the 250 series over a bunch of nobodies.
Pedrosa may turn out to be a great MotoGP rider, especially when the bikes get smaller in a couple years, but next year he has NO chance of winning the title, no matter how much you wish it to be the case.
Honda will push their team around their best chances at a title (if Rossi suddenly runs into a string of bad luck), and that would be Hayden and Melandri. Pedrosa will need a couple years to get to their level.
If someone was to step in from the outside and beat Rossi - or Hayden, Melandri and a handful of others - the first year in MotoGP, it would have to be somone that has ridden a large bike in the past and at least has the ability to dominate the 250 class.
Again, that is the opinion of multiple well known MotoGP writers and insiders.
No reason to take the word of some Pedrosa fan outsider over those that actually know.

abed dimachkia · 10-18-2005, 7:10 PM

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As for Pedrosa, let's see if he is the first one that can quickly and successfully move from ~110 RWP 2-stroke to 250+ RWHP diesel,

i don't think there is a 140bhp's difference between the 250cc and motogp because the lap time difference is 2-3 seconds. if it is 140+bhp's more the difference will be 3 minuits per lap

abed dimachkia · 10-18-2005, 7:19 PM

Foe all spectators Nicky has never shown us a racer spirit when someone overtakes him he gives up and start going back, is this what u mean by champion. He has the best bike out there to beat anyone and everyone knows that, 3 years and he is aunable to adapt to the bike, and finally he ran out of excuses cause he knew he has this potential. BTW nicky's picture is on my mobile i like the guy very much he is a gentleman, but as honda supporters we want a rider who cracks rossi till the end the same way Melandri did in the previous race, i mean when rossi has to win he has to suffer inorder to do it, nicky is unable to beat rossi after 3 motogp experience years and he will never do. and it is not about size of the rider if so loris will never won a race, he was onfire in the last 3 gp's. all i care about is rossi loosing and they guys who are racing him now are unable to do it, we will ahve three chances next year Dani, CV, and toni elias

Heavy-Dee · 10-18-2005, 7:23 PM

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Foe all spectators Nicky has never shown us a racer spirit when someone overtakes him he gives up and start going back, is this what u mean by champion.

Nicky did just that in the last race. Even my wife saw that and commented on it.

HD

tnarinen · 10-18-2005, 7:23 PM

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i don't think there is a 140bhp's difference between the 250cc and motogp because the lap time difference is 2-3 seconds. if it is 140+bhp's more the difference will be 3 minuits per lap

Well based on information I have I choose to think differently. If RR was all about HP we would see turbo-busas breaking in lap records. Top 250 cc's make 110-120 and top GP bikes make around 250+, exact numbers are of course unknown, but these are in the "neighbourhood". There are privateers running ~195 Superbikes, so IMHO 240-250 from a factory GP bike should not be impossible...

abed dimachkia · 10-18-2005, 7:29 PM

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Nicky did just that in the last race. Even my wife saw that and commented on it.

HD

come on don't give hopes, rossi gave him the lead and then he took it after 3 laps, wake up guys. this is rossi philosophy he studied nicky's race pace on the track to see if there is a place where nicky is a danger to him, then when he studied nicky's moves he knew that it is over he showed his teeth sharpened his claws and jumped into his prey and won the race..........

phobiaphobe · 10-18-2005, 7:30 PM

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i'll make it staright to u bro, i don't like rossi and iam a fanatic to honda. now everybody knows that publicly.

At least you're honest about it Abed.

I'm a Honda fanatic too, but I still don't think there will be anyone to truly challenge Rossi next year. He should switch to Ducati for his legacy season.

abed dimachkia · 10-18-2005, 7:34 PM

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At least you're honest about it Abed.

I'm a Honda fanatic too, but I still don't think there will be anyone to truly challenge Rossi next year. He should switch to Ducati for his legacy season.

man this rossi is ruining every weekend in my life when he wins i feel sad and want to blow someone on his face. hope his days come to an end and yamaha will be back where it belongs to the back of the pack.

phobiaphobe · 10-18-2005, 8:32 PM

Whether you like him or not as a person, you have to admit he is a roadracing god. I am a fan.

BDA116 · 10-18-2005, 8:39 PM

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Originally Posted by abed dimachkia

i don't think there is a 140bhp's difference between the 250cc and motogp because the lap time difference is 2-3 seconds. if it is 140+bhp's more the difference will be 3 minuits per lap

Man, I question why anyone should just "trust you" and your way out there opinion, and then you make a statement like this and validate my questiononing of your motorcycle racing knowledge.
Thanks.

Nobody here honestly thinks Hayden can beat Rossi for the title next year without some major stepping up from Honda on the bike or Rossi having some troubles.
That said, there is no way in hell Pedrosa can even run close to Rossi next year, or Hayden and Melandri for that matter.

matt232 · 10-19-2005, 6:01 AM

Nar you're all wrong, its going to be an Aussie 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Bloody hell, this crazy predition game is easy and quite a bit of fun.

abed dimachkia · 10-19-2005, 6:21 AM

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Nar you're all wrong, its going to be an Aussie 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Bloody hell, this crazy predition game is easy and quite a bit of fun.

Why not, if Chris Vermulen will be the future champion i will be very happy. any Honda rider winning is gr8.

luvtolean · 10-19-2005, 8:39 AM

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1st of all Edwards doesnot belong to motogp, as for dani trust me he will be next years favourite for the championship he will have all the backup from honda and HRC. I don't think we know better than HRC & Honda if dani fits for motogp, if not they would have not upgraded him. as for Edwards don't take it personal but he will never be a champion in motogp it is not his game.

Dude, you've been smelling too much of that burnt Winchester powder.

There is no way in HELL he will win the championship. Even Rossi couldn't do that. And no way anybody "in the know" will think he's the favorite.

Though I don't think he's of the caliber of Rossi or Hayden, Edwards is second in points, that is something to consider, especially as serious as the Japanese are about winning the manufacturer's championship as well as Rider's title. On that fact alone, that makes him a good "B" rider to have on a squad.

Baketech · 10-19-2005, 8:43 AM

The tortoise is still in 4th...

But I agree with you on the drugs part...

luvtolean · 10-19-2005, 8:44 AM

Oops, changed it on ya.

"Editing problems"

asiliat · 10-19-2005, 10:22 AM

+1, totally agree.

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He can't lose. If he performs poorly, it's the bike. If he wins, it's him.

Very low risk ride. And he is getting paid big bucks to ride around in the world's coolest trackdays.

Heavy-Dee · 10-19-2005, 11:02 AM

http://superbikeplanet.com/2005/Oct/tb/051019b.htm

CBRGuy · 10-19-2005, 11:12 AM

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i don't think there is a 140bhp's difference between the 250cc and motogp because the lap time difference is 2-3 seconds. if it is 140+bhp's more the difference will be 3 minuits per lap

Dude, if you were serious when you wrote that, it proves you know absolutely nothing about racing..........