What is CE talking about here?

phobiaphobe · 10-25-2005, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Sook

... You're not the full quid if you don't understand how marketing works dude....

This from the guy that can't come to grips with the fact that corporations are motivated by profit, rather than a desire to support their favorite racer...

phobiaphobe · 10-25-2005, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

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If you think Colin would be happieer with spec tires or would be doing better than Rossi on said tires, I'd have to strongly disagree.

Spec tires wouldn't make a difference, because Yamaha gives Rossi the top tier engines, and Colon only gets the cut-rate ****, because there is a conspiracy to keep him off the podium, you know, so they can sell more motorcycles. Stupid.

BDA116 · 10-25-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Spec tires wouldn't make a difference, because Yamaha gives Rossi the top tier engines, and Colon only gets the cut-rate ****, because there is a conspiracy to keep him off the podium, you know, so they can sell more motorcycles. Stupid.

Except at Laguna, where they did the opposite - but for the same reason.

CBRVFR · 10-25-2005, 11:37 AM

You're right. What could I have been thinking?

phobiaphobe · 10-25-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

Except at Laguna, where they did the opposite - but for the same reason.

How many seconds did Vale gain on COlon that last lap? He may as well have carried a huge flag that said "EDWARDS WON BECAUSE I LET HIM"

Heavy-Dee · 10-25-2005, 11:47 AM

So does anyone else think Rossi didn't want to catch Melandri in Turkey? They are buddies you know, and Rossi already has the championship wrapped up. I'm not sure either way, but I'm suspicious. Plus, Rossi felt bad for taking him out causing 30+ stitches to be needed after he caught a footpeg in the foot during the crash.

HD

CBRVFR · 10-25-2005, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavy-Dee

So does anyone else think Rossi didn't want to catch Melandri in Turkey? They are buddies you know, and Rossi already has the championship wrapped up. I'm not sure either way, but I'm suspicious. Plus, Rossi felt bad for taking him out causing 30+ stitches to be needed after he caught a footpeg in the foot during the crash.

HD

I don't think he EVER "lets" anybody win. I think he'd rather win than breathe. Not to mention keeping Honda's nose in the dirt.

oldgoat · 10-25-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

I don't think he EVER "lets" anybody win. I think he'd rather win than breathe. Not to mention keeping Honda's nose in the dirt.

+1

luvtolean · 10-25-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

How many seconds did Vale gain on COlon that last lap? He may as well have carried a huge flag that said "EDWARDS WON BECAUSE I LET HIM"

Edwards didn't win ****.

phobiaphobe · 10-25-2005, 12:39 PM

OK nitpicker. EDWARDS PASSED ME BECAUSE I LET HIM

luvtolean · 10-25-2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

OK nitpicker.

I was just told I was a "shitstarter punk" in another thread. I think I liked that name better.

Only, I'd have to be "Jr". My Dad is quite proud of being a "shitstarter".

Baketech · 10-25-2005, 1:01 PM

I'll argue that fans like "The Sook" can be an athlete's worst enemy....

We've all been involved with team endeavors to some extent, and I'll wager that most of you have observed this phenomenon first hand.

Example...if you make an excuse and those around you validate that excuse, it can set the stage for a dangerous condition of attitude. As that thinking begins to resonate, it literally becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In other words, you begin to "believe" that you cannot win, and thus beat yourself before you even leave the blocks.

At the extreme end, these dysfunctional situations become a cult of conspiracy. Given time, and enough participants, they pass beyond the rational, and into a dynamic that basically cannot be fixed without tearing out it's underpinnings.

In some of these situations, there may actually be some validity as to the root cause of the excuse... however, the successful team is one that takes the path to overcome or bypass that cause rather than use it as a crutch...

So back to my original argument...I think that a fan base that reinforces the negative can be a tough hurdle for an athlete to overcome. The irony I see in the case of CE, is that many of his fans admire him for what they call his "call it as it is" attitude....but yet they shy away from taking that path with regards to their own evaluation of his performance. Instead of critical examination, they reinforce the negative and set the stage for a bad situation to develop. In other words, if they were true fans, they would take a page from his book, "tell it like it is" and support his efforts in a positive manner.

Okay...I'm not arguing that their aren't politics in tires, bikes, contracts et al....we all know there are. But just as we have personally witnessed team disfunction, we have also witnessed teams prevail against all odds where no rational person believed they had a chance. To the last one, they succeeded because they refused to focus on why they "couldn't" and capitalize on how they "could"...

phobiaphobe · 10-25-2005, 1:14 PM

Quit being rational and coherent... this thread is designated for crap-tossing.

CBR929RE · 10-25-2005, 1:23 PM

I think we all just see some potential in him to do better but he's only now starting to see that he can do better.

Some people complain about stuff publicly others don't. its just how each person is. but don't think the guys that don't complain publicly aren't complaining at all, you just don't hear it.

Baketech · 10-25-2005, 1:23 PM

I'm a changed man now that I have an imaginary throne...

Heavy-Dee · 10-25-2005, 1:26 PM

Love the caption....

http://superbikeplanet.com/image/2005mgp/turkey/6/2.htm

Heavy-Dee · 10-25-2005, 1:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Baketech

I'll argue that fans like "The Sook" can be an athlete's worst enemy....

We've all been involved with team endeavors to some extent, and I'll wager that most of you have observed this phenomenon first hand.

Example...if you make an excuse and those around you validate that excuse, it can set the stage for a dangerous condition of attitude. As that thinking begins to resonate, it literally becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In other words, you begin to "believe" that you cannot win, and thus beat yourself before you even leave the blocks.

At the extreme end, these dysfunctional situations become a cult of conspiracy. Given time, and enough participants, they pass beyond the rational, and into a dynamic that basically cannot be fixed without tearing out it's underpinnings.

In some of these situations, there may actually be some validity as to the root cause of the excuse... however, the successful team is one that takes the path to overcome or bypass that cause rather than use it as a crutch...

So back to my original argument...I think that a fan base that reinforces the negative can be a tough hurdle for an athlete to overcome. The irony I see in the case of CE, is that many of his fans admire him for what they call his "call it as it is" attitude....but yet they shy away from taking that path with regards to their own evaluation of his performance. Instead of critical examination, they reinforce the negative and set the stage for a bad situation to develop. In other words, if they were true fans, they would take a page from his book, "tell it like it is" and support his efforts in a positive manner.

Okay...I'm not arguing that their aren't politics in tires, bikes, contracts et al....we all know there are. But just as we have personally witnessed team disfunction, we have also witnessed teams prevail against all odds where no rational person believed they had a chance. To the last one, they succeeded because they refused to focus on why they "couldn't" and capitalize on how they "could"...

Group think presents itself in many ways. Good post.

HD

nedro · 10-25-2005, 1:40 PM

Could you just imagine the crap that would come out of the Sook about Hayden if he was placing 8th or worse in every race for three years straight?

CBR929RE · 10-25-2005, 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavy-Dee

Love the caption....

http://superbikeplanet.com/image/2005mgp/turkey/6/2.htm

I like this one
http://superbikeplanet.com/image/200...urkey/6/41.htm

this one is great too
http://superbikeplanet.com/image/2005mgp/turkey/6/7.htm

phobiaphobe · 10-25-2005, 1:44 PM

Doesn't matter. All GP riders are equal, it's just Michelin and Honda that decide who wins.