What is CE talking about here?

CBRVFR · 10-24-2005, 10:30 AM

I haven't been a strong critic of Colin Edwards, but this post-Turkish GP statement has my BS alarm going off.. keep in mind that Toni Elias beat him to the line Sunday on a satellite Fortuna M1.

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"I struggled today," stated Colin. "I've been trying a new riding style this weekend which has really helped me find some more pace from the bike, but my instinct took over at the start of the race and I just went back to my old Superbike style, trying to squeeze everything out of the bike.

"Once I had calmed down and focused on the new style I managed to get it together and I actually set my fastest lap of the race on lap 20, which tells its own story. I hate to say that this grand prix has been like a test but we have to look to improving our performances next season and I firmly believe we have contributed to that here, even though the race result was not what we were after, he added.

"Colin had a few problems this weekend but he has tried something completely new to him and this race was like a transition. I think we will see the benefit of it next season," added Gauloises Yamaha team director Davide Brivio.

WTF??
I heard him refer to a "250 style" earlier in the week. I would think that a MotoGP bike would more closely resemble a Superbike than a 250. It isn't like we see him backing it in like Hayden anyway. I don't get it.

What's he talking about, or is this just babble? I can't believe that at this late date his team would have the patience to wait for him to revolutionize his style.. why wouldn't they fire him and hire Elias?

phobiaphobe · 10-24-2005, 10:42 AM

He was mouthing off that he's trying to carry more speed into the turns like a 250. I dunno, sounds like a bunch of crap excuses... remember it isn't easy being a smart racer.

coderedcbr · 10-24-2005, 10:44 AM

So he is trying to ride like Max? Yep that guy has been fast too.

BDA116 · 10-24-2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by coderedcbr

So he is trying to ride like Max? Yep that guy has been fast too.

Exactly.
Max is a master of the 250 style, and has had to change his riding style quite a bit to fit the big bikes.
Melandri did as well.
It's refreshing to see that he's adding more pages to his excuse book, though, instead of the same old tire excuses. Maybe Michelin got sick of it as well.

dB · 10-24-2005, 10:47 AM

Sounds to me like he's lost. It's got to be frustrating.

gt702 · 10-24-2005, 10:51 AM

Maybe he picked something up from Rossi's statement and isn't using as much brake going in as he used to, using the turning to scrub off speed. Less point and shoot. At MotoGP level it is all in the fractions of a percent, and every little bit helps. Sometimes hearing the faster guy say something can trigger a new concept.

On a related note, I overheard a conversation over breakfast before a race at Putnam. One of the rider's was mentioning braking and downshifting before turn 1. His team mates laughed at him and told him to just turn it in and trail throttle to turn 2. After following their advice, and changing his style, he won the race and went on to get some championships.

Brakes only slow you down

Baketech · 10-24-2005, 11:14 AM

I'm filing a grievance...

CBR929RE · 10-24-2005, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

Exactly.
Max is a master of the 250 style, and has had to change his riding style quite a bit to fit the big bikes.
Melandri did as well.
It's refreshing to see that he's adding more pages to his excuse book, though, instead of the same old tire excuses. Maybe Michelin got sick of it as well.

what about chatter? come on this guy is full of excuses. It's too bad because he's had the best rider as his partner all year and is only starting to learn something (whether its from Rossi or not, he should have been learning more earlier)

The Sook · 10-24-2005, 9:07 PM

I agree. If ONLY he'd come to the fireblade.org boards so you guys could fill him in and tell him how he SHOULD ride. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha

luvtolean · 10-24-2005, 9:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dB

Sounds to me like he's lost. It's got to be frustrating.

Yep.

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Originally Posted by The Sook

I agree. If ONLY he'd come to the fireblade.org boards so you guys could fill him in and tell him how he SHOULD ride. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha

True dat. He's only likely to finish in the top 5 in MotoGP. Most of us know that much about riding right?

phobiaphobe · 10-24-2005, 9:14 PM

Is he a more accomplished and more skilled rider than anyone on this board ever will be? Yes. Is he an annoying excuse-making mouthpiece? Also yes.

The Sook · 10-24-2005, 9:16 PM

NEVER underestimate the technical knowledge and skill that is on here luvtolean. OBVIOUSLY the guys on here are masters of their craft and if only guys like CE could get over themselves and ditch their pride, and just ask a TRULY gifted rider like BDA how he can improve, he just may get somewhere. Until then, he's doomed to be a lowly top 5 GP racer. Personally I don't know how CE lives with himself.

For those that have ever met CE, you'll know he's one of the nicect down to earth guys you will ever meet, has all the time in the world for anyone, and is very well respected by his fellow riders. Hopper couldn't shut up saying how great he thought Colin was in Melbourne. EVEN the guys from the MCN boards who gave CE way more **** than anyone here ever has, met him at Donington and are now huge fans. But anyway, keep the advice for him coming. I'm SURE he needs it. lol

CBRVFR · 10-24-2005, 9:19 PM

So what's he talking about? (If you're not sworn to secrecy or anything..)

phobiaphobe · 10-24-2005, 9:20 PM

If it weren't for all the diarrhea that sprays out of his cake-hole after every race, I'll bet he'd have a whole pile of fans here.

Baketech · 10-24-2005, 9:22 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

If it weren't for all the diarrhea that sprays out of his cake-hole after every race, I'll bet he'd have a whole pile of fans here.

I hate it when I am forced to agree with you....

prick...

BDA116 · 10-24-2005, 9:23 PM

Right, pooky. Everyone here is claiming to be better than CE.

What a complete kangaroo-****ing moron.
I guess using your idiotic "logic" you're a MUCH better rider than Hayden, right?
You can bad mouth riders that truly can fight for the front in GP, but when someone speaks the truth of your fantasy ****, you whine and cry like the pansy you are.
Fact is, while Colin is a better rider than anyone here, he is a b-rate rider in GP. You and the other ball-lickers can whine all you want on his ass-kissing site that censors all posts that aren't cheer-leading him, but don't expect us to do the same here just 'cause he said hi to you once and you creamed your pants.

What are you gonna stage being robbed from your shop next?

phobiaphobe · 10-24-2005, 9:26 PM

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Originally Posted by baketech

prick...

Here I'll even things out:

GM is becoming a fleet-only manufacturer and their cars use **** pushrod engines.

Baketech · 10-24-2005, 9:28 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Here I'll even things out:

GM is becoming a fleet-only manufacturer and their cars use **** pushrod engines.

You must be confusing me with someone else...

luvtolean · 10-24-2005, 9:31 PM

BDA, come on, easy with the name calling man.

luvtolean · 10-24-2005, 9:33 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

and their cars use **** pushrod engines.

Uh, Mr. Expert, please explain to us (in another thread) how pushrod engines are mechanically inferior to OHCs in an engine with crank-speeds we see in production cars.

The Sook · 10-24-2005, 9:33 PM

AGAIN, I'm sure he ain't awake at night thinkin "man, if ONLY I could get the .org guys on my side" hahaha

CBRVFR, I dunno...........these guys, all of them, grow up racing bikes in their own way and as is the case with Troy Bayliss, he cannot adjust his riding to suit the RCV. Does that mean he sux and doesn't belong in GP? I don't think so, it means he needs to find a bike that works with his style, and if he did, he'd be top 3-5 every race. Apparently, in the FP sessions, CE got fed up with chasing his tail and just told the crew to put the bike to Rossi's settings and he'll ride it like he'd ride a 250 gp bike, went a sec quicker right away. Now I don't know about you guys, but even just riding on the road, TRY changing something about how you ride, a MAJOR thing, and see how often you find yourself doing what came naturally and how you rode before instead of what you WANTED to do. Pretty hard, especially in the heat of a GP race don't ya think?

Now if you look at what CE says about his bike etc, and how they can't set it up , it either has no rear grip or it pushes the front, if it does that it does that. What's up with saying so? I'd rather hear what's happening than hear Gayden saying whether he finishes 1st or 15th "My bike worked great, the tyres were awesome, I have to thank my team" blah blah blah bullshit. If you think that it was just Nicky that changed on the days he did better, then you're pretty naive. Elias and CE are two different riders. If elias' bike was set up to his liking, then of COURSE he's gonna ride it faster than ANYONE'S bike that ain't set up right for them.

CE as shown on both the RCV and the Yamaha that he has the speed to be up there when the bike is right for HIM. When he's not up there, you really think the problem is HIM? Same goes with ANY of the guys out there, they are all class bike racers, and given the same bike/tyres/team and a set up to their liking ANY cold be champions. But that ain't how it is. Personally I'd rather hear about what's goin on with the bike, than an arse licking festival of your tea, bike and sponsors when obviously the bike is ****.

phobiaphobe · 10-24-2005, 9:34 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

Uh, Mr. Expert, please explain to us (in another thread) how pushrod engines are mechanically inferior to OHCs in an engine with crank-speeds we see in production cars.

GOTCHA BITCH!