[jetbdude]

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_21391.shtml


Bet he was pretty upset that Rossi did tried an F1 last year an was 2 second behind is time.....

[luvtolean]

Yep, riding a motorcycle well on the racetrack is a very very complicated thing.

IMO, more difficult than a car.

[BDA116]

Originally Posted by jetbdude

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_21391.shtml


Bet he was pretty upset that Rossi did tried an F1 last year an was 2 second behind is time.....

Rossi tested an F1 car on the short Fiorano course and was 2 seconds off Shcumi's time of the day, 4 seconds off Schumi's best time on the short course.
The short course at Fiorano is 1.413km.
Schumi ran a GP bike at Mugello and was 25 seconds off Capirossi's best time.
Mugello is 5.245km.
Not near as big a rift as it looks like on paper, especially considering that testing a racecar for the first time is much easier than testing a GP bike for the first time.
Formula 1 doesn't run at Mugello so he doesn't have much track knowledge, and at a track ~4 times the size Rossi learned.
I would absolutely LOVE to see Rossi run at a large track that MotoGP doesn't run, and see how many minutes his time is from Schumi's.

EDIT: Wrong track the first try.

[jetbdude]

Originally Posted by BDA116

I would absolutely LOVE to see Rossi run at a large track that MotoGP doesn't run, and see how many minutes his time is from Schumi's.

We might find out soon.... http://www.sportnetwork.net/main/s85/st73134.htm

[Rios929]

Originally Posted by BDA116

Rossi tested an F1 car on the short Fiorano course and was 2 seconds off Shcumi's time of the day, 4 seconds off Schumi's best time on the short course.
The short course at Fiorano is 1.413km.
Schumi ran a GP bike at Mugello and was 25 seconds off Capirossi's best time.
Mugello is 5.245km.
Not near as big a rift as it looks like on paper, especially considering that testing a racecar for the first time is much easier than testing a GP bike for the first time.
Formula 1 doesn't run at Mugello so he doesn't have much track knowledge, and at a track ~4 times the size Rossi learned.
I would absolutely LOVE to see Rossi run at a large track that MotoGP doesn't run, and see how many minutes his time is from Schumi's.

EDIT: Wrong track the first try.

Pick any track and give both Rossi and Schumi ten laps on a motogp bike and ten laps in an F1 car. I'm willing to bet Rossi would easily have the better 20 lap combined time...... Basically Rossi is a better driver than Schumi is a rider.

[CBRVFR]

Remember when Michael Jordan ( Not Eddie!) wanted to play baseball?

I can NOT believe that they will let Rossi into the F1 circuit without any open wheel/Formula 3000-type experience. But I'm a skeptic. I just don't see him being competitive.

[BDA116]

Originally Posted by Rios929

Pick any track and give both Rossi and Schumi ten laps on a motogp bike and ten laps in an F1 car. I'm willing to bet Rossi would easily have the better 20 lap combined time...... Basically Rossi is a better driver than Schumi is a rider.

I'll gladly take that bet. Formula 1 cars are more than 30 seconds a lap quicker than GP bikes on average. Many tracks it is closer to 50 seconds.
Schumi would have a better 20 lap combined time by many minutes.
Schumi is a far better car pilot than Rossi is a rider, and their talent on the opposite is very close to equal. These single one-off events have shown that.

[luvtolean]

No way man, you're totally freakin' delusional. Rossi is a better driver than Schumi is rider! Jeez, 25 seconds off. More than 10%!

2 seconds off at the track listed earlier. (I don't care if he was 4 seconds off Schumis record, conditions weren't there for a record run that day, Schumi was 2 secs faster. Period.)

Is the lap time at the short track 20 seconds?

[luvtolean]

Ground effects racecars will never be as demanding of a driver as a motorcycle or non-aero racecar.

That is a plain fact.

And it is why Rossi could jump in an F1 car and go within 2 seconds of Shumacher.

[phobiaphobe]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Ground effects racecars will never be as demanding of a driver as a motorcycle or non-aero racecar.

That is a plain fact.

....

One of my favorite editorials:

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9153

[Rios929]

Originally Posted by BDA116

I'll gladly take that bet. Formula 1 cars are more than 30 seconds a lap quicker than GP bikes on average. Many tracks it is closer to 50 seconds.
Schumi would have a better 20 lap combined time by many minutes.
Schumi is a far better car pilot than Rossi is a rider, and their talent on the opposite is very close to equal. These single one-off events have shown that.

Yeah, f1 cars are definately faster, but Rossi's F1 times would be closer to schumi's times than Schumi's motogp times would be to Rossi's.

As far as Schumi being a better car pilot than Rossi is a rider....They are both the best ever on their machines. You can blame Shumi's loss of the championship on the rule changes if you want, but bottom line is that he isn't a champion this year, and Rossi is.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

One of my favorite editorials:

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9153

Yep. The story is always the same as that from those in the know. Ban front and rear wings. No side tunnels. Lift the cars enough that ground effect becomes useless.

Then you have a series where it really is all about the driver.

Carrol Smith, who hates aero racecars, claimed in his 1984 book Engineer to Win that his favorite racing is motorcycle and dirt sprint (I'm guessing he really likes non-winged sprinters) because it is all about the rider/driver.

He mentions everything Csaba does (about Aero) there and more, 20 years ago.

They're turning F1 into NASCRAP.

[BDA116]

If Rossi and Schumi were to both run at Fiorano's short track on GP bikes, Schumi would be within 4 seconds of Rossi's best time. The average speed at that track is ~40mph in an F1 car. Hell, Schumi ran better times in an off the line 360 Modena on that course by over a second than Rossi ran in the F1 car.
If the competition were half, say 5 laps in each Rossi may come out on top. But there is no way in hell Rossi would make up over ten minutes in a 20 lap run on each discipline.
Where does all this "Rossi is an awesome driver" crap come from anyway? He has failed at multiple attempts of various car racing.
If they were to keep it at the same track - Mugello - where the GP bikes would have an edge as they run there every year, F1 cars in testing better the Mugello track record by over 40 seconds a lap. Rossi would have an easier time of jumping into an F1 car and going decent than Schumi would of jumping on a GP bike and going decent, but not near enough to cover the spread Schumim would decimate Rossi's times with.
Driving an F1 car MAY be somewhat easier to do at a beginner level than riding a GP bike at the same, but driving it at the edge as Schumi does is just as difficult as riding at the edge as Rossi does.
See what happens when Rossi has to get the F1 car out of second gear and over 100mph.
If you go 20 laps of each discipline, Schumi would win by over 5 minutes. Go ten laps of each and it will be more like a 2 minute advantage for Schumi.
Sorry, but there is no way in hell Rossi can drive an F1 car within 15% of Schumi on a large course when Schumi is actually going for it, but for Schumi to go within 15-20% of Rossi on a GP bike isn't out of the question. He already did that with Capirossi.
There is absolutely no evidence to suggest Rossi could do any better in an F1 car than anyone else, and Schumi is by far the F1 pilot on the planet, the FIA's rules helping to destroy Ferrari's F1 program notwithstanding.

[luvtolean]

Well, we disagree. We very well might learn who's right. I really hope so.


F1 is being devestated. It's too bad. Soon they'll be like NASCAR, less technology on their damn racecars than the technology used in cars you can go buy for less than $30k. Sad when F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle.

[BDA116]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Well, we disagree. We very well might learn who's right. I really hope so.


F1 is being devestated. It's too bad. Soon they'll be like NASCAR, less technology on their damn racecars than the technology used in cars you can go buy for less than $30k. Sad when F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle.

I agree with both those statements.
I would LOVE to see the theory proven / disproven.
And yeah, what has happened to F1 is disgusting to me. They'll go to any lengths to get Schumi to retire, and the destruction of the sport looks to have done the trick. To go and change certain rules after certain companies have already engineered, designed and tested the cars for the next year and change them in a way you know will absolutely kill any chance a certain team has of competing is wrong on way too many levels.
It's different to release rules for the series a year or two in advance, like GP has done with the 800cc bikes, but to change the rules for the upcoming season after all the work is done? Sheesh.
Cronyism lives on many levels, eh?

[Red.Rider]

This debate can go on for ever, Rossi and Shuey are both gods in their respective discipline. I think a good match between car and bike, driver vs. rider would be to put them on street vehicles, Rossi on a new R1 and Shuey on a Ferrari road car like a 360 Modena. Wouldn't that be a hoot.

So Rossi was 2 seconds slower than Schumacher's lap record, and Shuey being further 25 seconds off the GP pace. But can we as experience riders discredit the car driver for trying to make an impact on our grounds, seven F1 world champion or not remember he is a beginner. To be honest I don't even know if I can keep a 25 second margin on the same bike from the regular MotoGP boys (can you guys?). Suffice to say I think I've been riding longer than Shuey.

Consequently Formula 1 is slated for a very significant change. By 2007 most of the pivotal manufactures like Mercedes, Renault, BMW are pulling out to contest a series of their own. Grand Prix World Championship I think it'll be called. Unresticted from Max and Bernie's rules. You can expect a lot of development on the cars and more speed.

[firebladetoronto]

Lets talk Turkey.

F1
Best Lap times for Formula 1 cars. 1:25.770
http://www.formula1.com/race/result/...aps/745/8.html

Max Speed (qual) 332 km/h
http://www.formula1.com/race/result/...ap/745/12.html

MotoGP
Best Lap times for MotoGP bikes. 1:53.111
http://www.motogp.com/en/motogp/results/results_3413.htm?event_id=3413&subevent_id=5079&re sult=38148

Max Speed (practice) 306.8
http://www.motogp.com/en/motogp/results/results_3413.htm?event_id=3413&subevent_id=5079&re sult=38148

Difference
F1 has higher top end by 26km/h
F1 has faster lap time by 28 seconds



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