2006 Daytona 200 [POSSIBLE SPOILER]

nhfirefighter13 · 03-12-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Oh ya and those R6s are totally untouchable huh.

Yeah, Imagine what's going to happen when Zemke and Duhamel aren't in the race...for the rest of the season.

BDA116 · 03-12-2006, 12:46 PM

Yep, 'cause Hayes didn't kick the wunderkid's ass, either.

evl_twn · 03-12-2006, 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tornado bait

All I heard Zemke say was "damn". It sounded like he started to say "****" once, but stopped himself. I may have missed something, though.

He did say **** once, after the near slip.

abtech · 03-12-2006, 6:28 PM

Did anyone watch Pascal Picotte say ****!! a few years ago during an interview right before the race at Daytona? They made the final call for the grid and he was still in the pits doing the interview . . .

CBRVFR · 03-12-2006, 7:17 PM

So That's how he lost that Disney sponsorship opportunity...

tbeemer · 03-12-2006, 8:04 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

Right, but both are offered for sale. That bike is more legal than the VR1000 IMO.

Like I said, Eric was creative with the rules. If he's successful, the rules will change real quick. If not, next year they'll be shored up. (Maybe, this is the AMA afterall...)

The precedent was set a few years back when Graves was using the R1 motor in an R7 chassis in FX, and it was ultimately declared illegal (after over a season of doing it, mind you). So it's illegal no matter how you slice it up.

The AMA sucks big time at putting on a race, as they've just proven yet again. I liked B-Boz's quote about how every race seems like it's their first one.

They need to just be a sanctioning body and contract the actual operational aspects to a third party, a la Dorna and FGSport with MotoGP and WSBK.

Tom

abtech · 03-12-2006, 9:30 PM

Beemer, where the hell have you been?

CBRBob · 03-12-2006, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Repeater

The guy that caused the pace car to come out was flicking off someone out there. I wonder what happened. the camera and the commentators quickly got away from him.

Anthony Fania. I think that is just his distaste for his luck at Daytona. He was the one 2 years ago that was run into by Yates, then drop kicked and head butted. He also failed to qualify for the superbike grid....

FYI, you know those Calvin and Hobbs stickers with Calvin pissing on something? Fania has on the tail of his streetbike a Calvin pissing on a #20(Yates) LOL, I see him from time to time, he lives works in the area.

colryn · 03-13-2006, 9:01 AM

So, I went to Daytona for the races. I had a great time. I was a little disappointed in the superbike sprint races. I was hoping for a little better effort from the Honda team. Once again, the two factory sponsored Suzuki team killed everyone else. They were so far ahead, it was silly. They should not have been on the track. The best racing came from who was going to take the third spot. What is it with Honda and their superbike sponsorship?

I know American Honda is sponsoring them now and HRC is not. But when you beat down by the competition like that, one would think the embarrassment would be to tough to handle. It was a big letdown.

Probably one thing I enjoyed was listening to the Ducatis. I watched the race from the infield. I had a great location by the horseshoe. I do not know what it is about those bikes but I just love the look and SOUND of those machines. The sound is quite distinctive. You know when one has passed.

tbeemer · 03-13-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by abtech

Beemer, where the hell have you been?

Workin' for The Man!

He gave me some time off for a post.

I've been ghosting through every now and then, keeping an eye on things. I've been adhering to the Mark Twain school of thought lately, "It is better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"; and that's kept my post count down a bit...

Tom

luvtolean · 03-13-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tbeemer

The precedent was set a few years back when Graves was using the R1 motor in an R7 chassis in FX, and it was ultimately declared illegal (after over a season of doing it, mind you). So it's illegal no matter how you slice it up.

Vanderslice was consulted, and signed off on everything as documented by Buell every step of the way according to the article in RRW.

But after reading the article (for unlimited engine modifications, Buell got OK'd to melt down the engine cases, change the alloy, and recast them.

) it seems they definately stretched it.

But hey, if the sanctioning body is approving your proposals...

tbeemer · 03-14-2006, 5:52 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

Vanderslice was consulted, and signed off on everything as documented by Buell every step of the way according to the article in RRW.

But after reading the article (for unlimited engine modifications, Buell got OK'd to melt down the engine cases, change the alloy, and recast them.

) it seems they definately stretched it.

But hey, if the sanctioning body is approving your proposals...

I actually agree with you on that; meaning, if the sanctioning body approved it...

But that's where the big problem is with this whole thing. It was the same thing with the R1/R7 thing: the rules say one thing, but all you have to do is have a sit-down with the head honcho and bingo, you're exempt and your bike is legit (until it gets protested enough). The rules were there the whole time, but Buell felt they needed to stretch them for whatever reason and the AMA (in the person of Vanderslice) gave them a pass, when they never should have. Now as a result, we have drama. Which could have all been prevented with a simple "no".

Now Ulrich is saying to wait and see what happens with the new AMA structure and let them sort the rules out (wonder who's on the new rules committee?

). He's been one of their biggest critics for a long time, now all of a sudden he's on their side as the peacemaker. He's also basically attacking superbikeplanet.com in his op-ed piece for their articles on the whole fiasco, all while saying they are just resorting to personal attacks. Typical Ulrich.

The whole thing's a freakin' mess from top to bottom, but he can't point a finger anymore, cause he's in it now and has been for a couple of years. Wasn't his whole motivation in getting onto the board that they didn't have enough "race" people involved? Now he's defending a gal who's tearing the place up and has no "race" experience? WTF?

Tom

luvtolean · 03-14-2006, 6:12 PM

That whole post.

Custom900 · 03-14-2006, 11:50 PM

I wouldn't mind Buell running the 600 AMA series at all if he would use a production bike like everyone else. Not only that, I feel he needs to run a 600cc machine, just like everyone else.

The technology that Eric Buell has put into his bikes is wonderful. He's very creative. I'm sure that he could build a 16,000 RPM plus twin and put in production. Then he would have a legitimate bike to put on the course and a bike that would rule the showroom as well as the streets as far as the small cc bikes go.

The problem with Eric Buell is that he is allowing himself to be used as a Harley-Davidson pawn. They aren't selling that many of the Buells. H-D only uses Buell to try and reach a different group of consumers. IT'S NOT WORKING.

I don't worry too much about Buell right now. Look at the past racing endevors taken by both H-D and Buell as manufactuers. They use it for marketing purposes for a very short period of time, lose consistently, then back off. The only thing H-D has stuck with and done wll with is the Flat Track. They need to stay on the flats.

As for other racing - Harley had to design it's own sanctioned list in order to Drag-Race competitively. (What else would you expect from outdated machines built by an outdated company? Now if we could get the rest of the world to see that.)

Repeater · 03-15-2006, 1:10 AM

Hardly owns buell and me thinks things will stay the same. Hardly was designing a V4 in the early 80's, but scrapped it for the image thing. Could you imagine a buel 600cc V4 thumping away.

Ah but why even try just shine something and bolt on something.

Custom900 · 03-15-2006, 2:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Repeater

Hardly owns buell and me thinks things will stay the same. Hardly was designing a V4 in the early 80's, but scrapped it for the image thing. Could you imagine a buel 600cc V4 thumping away.

Ah but why even try just shine something and bolt on something.

Yea, that was the VR1000. It was junk and lost consistently.
For the most part I feel it was just an advertising ploy.

Serial Thriller · 03-15-2006, 4:22 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

**** is he ever tough. He highsided onto his head with a 12 second lead, ran back to the bike, picked it up and finished 5th with no windscreen and his visor flapping. Tough as nails that guy.

http://speedtv.com/video_player/index.php?video=98701
This should take you to a clip of Miguel's get-off. You may have to look around for it under SPEED motorcycle clips.

Custom900 · 03-15-2006, 5:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Serial Thriller

http://speedtv.com/video_player/index.php?video=98701
This should take you to a clip of Miguel's get-off. You may have to look around for it under SPEED motorcycle clips.

I watched that race and to see it now - it's still awesome. That man is unreal. I would have flopped around on the ground like a dying fish. Getting up and running again would have been the last thing on my mind for a moment.

ReaperAZ · 03-16-2006, 2:23 PM

I still think they made a big mistake by switching the 200 to FX bikes. Bring back the Superbikes for the 200. Pretty lame that our "premiere" class has been put into second for such an event.