[CBR929RE]

Originally Posted by maxib

Also, if you think about it...the slowest part of any track are the corners. Ergo, more corner speed means faster lap times. The rider with the fastest corner speeds will place first on the podium. However, there are many factors that affect the outcome, including but not all inclusive, rider talent and experience, the machine and all its subcomponents from tires to brakes to power delivery to throttle twist range to color and also to stickers!

Basically, faster corner speed = higher finish placement. Anyone can pin it on the straights, but the fastest rider in the corners brings home first place. (If they stay on the track!)

there was an article in Motorcyclist a year or 2 ago about the corner speed of a Supersport vs a Superbike. They checked the laptimes on one track of one supersport rider (forget who but I think it was one of the Haydens on a Kawi) and one superbike rider (I think this was Spies on a gix). The 600 was 7-9mph faster through each corners and the 1000 was faster by 30mph on the straight but it only equaled a 2 second advantage for the 1000. goes to show a race is won or lost in the corners (usually).

[fl-929]

Originally Posted by BDA116

Everyone knows he's a prima donna, but that doesn't change the fact that he's an extremely talented prima donna.

Can't deny that. Remove Rossi from Biaggi's head and who knows how many titles he would have.

[BIGSAPOTEER]

Actually the great Burgess talks about that in Sport Rider magazine. When asked why not make the M1 have the fastes trap speed like the Ducati? He said that all the tracks have 1 maybe 2 straight to reach a top speed and it would only give a rider an advantage of 1-2 seconds per lap. But if a rider is faster through the turns by .5 second, that adds up to 5-6 seconds per lap (depending on how many turns a track has). Its true that fast times are made on having faster speed through turns.

[Repeater]

i think he should be in moto GP. some guys can ride SBK and some are ment for GP bikes. i think the biach would be perfect for an 800. the point and shoot of a superbike does not fit his style of riding. i guess we will see.

Moto GP would be better off with him in the paddock good or bad. he just brings a certain something to the paddock. unlick the pod.

[abtech]

There are so many dynamics involved in a fast lap and corner speed is only one of them. My point is that certain riders throughout their careers have capitalized on a particular aspect of their technique and tried to use it to their advantage. Point and shoot (ala Wayne Gardener, Kenny Roberts et al) or back it in (ala Mick Doohan, Kevin Schwantz and many recent riders edit: Gary McCoy comes to mind) all have their advantage. Wayne Rainey's style was a bit more classic and everytime I see Max race, it reminds me of Wayne. This particular style relies on never needing to slow down as much to get through any particular corner as the other techniques.

This has little to do with the size or power of a machine at the level these guys are running at. Several riders can maintain big time corner speed on a smaller bike because they don't need to slow down as much (braking makes the bike pretty out of shape relative to the corner entry), but very few riders can enter the corner and keep the speed as well as Max. It may not look as exciting as the other styles, but it can be a lot faster and easier on tires.

[qoelet]

Old news actually but here it is: Soup ::

Back to the hijacking subject of corner speed, I guess I've seen that article that CBR929RE is talking about, on the 600s keeping higher corner speed than the liters but at the end of the day the liters are just plain faster when it comes to lap times.

I think (or used to, 'til today) that the riding style changes quite dramatically when these guys go from the 250 GP bikes to the 990 MotoGP bikes. A similar change would happen between supersport and superbike.

In 250 and supersport, keeping superior corner speed (I believe) is the key since there isn't that much braking when compared to the bigger bikes. But in MotoGP (or superbike for that matter), if you can brake really late and really deep, pick it up quickly and open up the throttle, it might just be faster.

Pedrosa seems to have 'ported' his 250 riding style into MotoGP and the 800cm3 displacement rule for 2007 does really sound like some sort of conspiracy when you look at it that way.

Cheers!

[abtech]

Originally Posted by qoelet

Old news actually but here it is: Soup ::

Back to the hijacking subject of corner speed, I guess I've seen that article that CBR929RE is talking about, on the 600s keeping higher corner speed than the liters but at the end of the day the liters are just plain faster when it comes to lap times.

I think (or used to, 'til today) that the riding style changes quite dramatically when these guys go from the 250 GP bikes to the 990 MotoGP bikes. A similar change would happen between supersport and superbike.

In 250 and supersport, keeping superior corner speed (I believe) is the key since there isn't that much braking when compared to the bigger bikes. But in MotoGP (or superbike for that matter), if you can brake really late and really deep, pick it up quickly and open up the throttle, it might just be faster.

Pedrosa seems to have 'ported' his 250 riding style into MotoGP and the 800cm3 displacement rule for 2007 does really sound like some sort of conspiracy when you look at it that way.

Cheers!

Okay. I can tell you from personal experience after running 5 seasons on a 250 and then moving back to superbike, I was able to run right around many of the "faster guys" by using the cornering techniques I developed while running on the smaller bikes.

This translated to less overall braking, higher entrance and mid-corner speed and earlier on the gas during exit. While many riders where trying to haul the thing down to what they felt comfortable with for entrance speed, I got off the brakes sooner and was able to ride right through the corner. Granted, this technique is a bit harder on bodywork and kneepucks, but it can be used as an effective tool if you have a decent setup and are willing to carry the speed through the corner.

Just my two cents . . .

[qoelet]

Thinking about it now, reading your previous post, it really makes sense.

[rattles]

FG Sports wanted Biaggi in the superbikes as a draw card, he is that but it will still take him some time to get the best out of the bike regardless of who's brand, he will do ok but I don't thihk he will win the championship on his first attempt, If Barros does move to the Ten Kate team he will beat Biaggi more than he is beaten, because he has this years reperience under his belt, by the same token if you look at Bayliss in the GP's for the first two years he could not get the feeling he needed in the Ducati to suit his style and he only muslced the bike around, but he should have done better on the Honda, but he will be still very competive next year, and as for Hodgson coming back I don't care what bike they give him he will lucky to get on the podium at all, he only won the championship on default as there was nobody else at that stage...


Roy

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