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RRWANTR · 09-17-2006, 2:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

Looks like the race directors there don't have the balls to enforce the rules, actually.

If the pod then repassed under yellow, and then the pass completed at the next flag, thus no advantage gained under yellow... isn't that adequate? I believe that can be done in most club and AFM racing if you accidentally pass under yellow...

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What was even better was CE's Biaggi-beating whining and crying.
He just needs to go back to WSBK and stop talking to the press.

You never quit.

Even when you Nickyites are whining about black helos.

abtech · 09-17-2006, 2:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RRWANTR

If the pod then repassed under yellow, and then the pass completed at the next flag, thus no advantage gained under yellow... isn't that adequate? I believe that can be done in most club and AFM racing if you accidentally pass under yellow...

You never quit.

Even when you Nickyites are whining about black helos.

As far as my personal experience, passing on a waving yellow yields a penalty regardless of what the eventual outcome (be it at the next corner or the finish line) is. I don't think that particular pass was accidental either. I honestly believe that Rossi does what he feels is required at the time and just hopes his reputation will intimidate the officials on a ruling.

He certainly has done this throughout his career.

bwhip · 09-17-2006, 2:58 PM

I saw the quote on Soup about the pass under waving yellow on Stoner being deemed a non-issue, but I thought the issue Nicky had raised was Rossi's pass on Pedrosa under waving yellow. Haven't seen any ruling about that yet.

Whether or not it holds up, you can definitely see Rossi holding a major grudge against Hayden for questioning it, just as he was in grudge mode against the rider and team that busted them for scooter burnouts to improve the start grip a year or two ago in Qatar. Didn't he blame Gibernau's team for ratting him out?

BDA116 · 09-17-2006, 3:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RRWANTR

If the pod then repassed under yellow, and then the pass completed at the next flag, thus no advantage gained under yellow... isn't that adequate? I believe that can be done in most club and AFM racing if you accidentally pass under yellow...

You never quit.

Even when you Nickyites are whining about black helos.

I don't see any whining about black helos, just stating fact that Rossi broke the rules and got away with it AGAIN.
CE's whining isn't even funny any longer. He is the biggest pussy MotoGP has seen in ages, and needs to just STFU and ride. Then again, he isn't up to par with the other riders in the series, which is why he'll go back to WSBK next year.
Of course, the whining will keep going there after the third weekend when he still hasn't broken the top five.

My experience in racing has been that if you cut the course and gain a position, then you slow up and get back to your previous spot all is well. If you pass under a waving yellow at all, you get the penalty, period. Rossi did it more than once and got away with it.
I'd be saying that regardless of where Rossi was in the points. Has nothing to do with your imigainary CE black helos.

RRWANTR · 09-17-2006, 3:59 PM

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Originally Posted by abtech

As far as my personal experience, passing on a waving yellow yields a penalty regardless of what the eventual outcome (be it at the next corner or the finish line) is. I don't think that particular pass was accidental either. I honestly believe that Rossi does what he feels is required at the time and just hopes his reputation will intimidate the officials on a ruling.

He certainly has done this throughout his career.

Wasn't the repass in the same corner? And I thought the pass being protested was the one over pedrosa where he was pulling over for the blue flag...

abtech · 09-17-2006, 4:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RRWANTR

Wasn't the repass in the same corner?

Doesn't make any difference. I have been tagged with a stop and start penalty twice even though I pulled to the side and let the riders I passed go by me immediately.

The point is, if you allegedly don't "notice" the waving yellow, then you don't belong on the track. This is the sort of stuff that kills people . . .

phobiaphobe · 09-17-2006, 4:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

Another lap and Nicky would have had Rossi.

Lots of "what ifs"... If they hadn't pitted Nicky might have placed 9th and Rossi first.

RRWANTR · 09-17-2006, 4:54 PM

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Originally Posted by abtech

Doesn't make any difference. I have been tagged with a stop and start penalty twice even though I pulled to the side and let the riders I passed go by me immediately.

The point is, if you allegedly don't "notice" the waving yellow, then you don't belong on the track. This is the sort of stuff that kills people . . .

I know what you're saying. I believe if I remember right the rules at the AFM and WSMC are to let them back by immediately, so that's what I've been used to. Anyone have the language of the rule in Motogp?

bwhip · 09-17-2006, 5:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RRWANTR

I know what you're saying. I believe if I remember right the rules at the AFM and WSMC are to let them back by immediately, so that's what I've been used to. Anyone have the language of the rule in Motogp?

They said on the broadcast last night that even if it's a rider being lapped you absolutely cannot pass under a waving yellow...

abtech · 09-17-2006, 6:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bwhip

They said on the broadcast last night that even if it's a rider being lapped you absolutely cannot pass under a waving yellow...

That is exactly what happened to me both times. Lapping a rider while chasing the rider I needed to pass for position. Didn't see the yellow flag and got my ass chewed and a stop and go for my effort

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BDA116 · 09-17-2006, 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Lots of "what ifs"... If they hadn't pitted Nicky might have placed 9th and Rossi first.

Just adding to your initial "what if".

RRWANTR · 09-17-2006, 6:09 PM

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Originally Posted by abtech

That is exactly what happened to me both times. Lapping a rider while chasing the rider I needed to pass for position. Didn't see the yellow flag and got my ass chewed and a stop and go for my effort

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To me that even makes it more dangerous. A lapper is pulling over or pulled over slowed down to let the leaders by and they have to jam on the brakes to stay behind him.... Check the closing speeds between Pedrosa and the others as he's pulling to the side.

ccwilli3 · 09-17-2006, 6:10 PM

so why the hell couldn't sete make himself useful and hold off rossi for one last corner. dayum.

sheepofblue · 09-17-2006, 6:13 PM

Seems that Rossi passing is worth 10 seconds AND Stoner should get another 10 for passing also. Apparently two wrongs do make a right in MotoGP though.

CBRVFR · 09-17-2006, 6:27 PM

That was a bizzarre race. Nicky is so lucky to have gotten off his first bike, there was clearly something wrong with it. Now he has to just put his head down and keep Rossi in sight. 21 point differential with, what? 3 races to go?

How does Gibernau sleep at night? Rossi passing him in the last corner of PI again? He could have exorcised the year-and a half curse by putting #46 in the kitty litter.. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

Podrobot.. I guess that's what happens when you over-water the plants..

Couldn't happen to a nicer succubus.

ANd Carlos Chuckit's team - What a brilliant tire choice!

Is CE hurt?

deez · 09-17-2006, 6:48 PM

LOL.

Rossi passed Stoner at the entrance to the turn before the yellow flag. The waving yellow was around the apex. I guess you guys expect Rossi to see around corners now.

Where that flag was, it would be difficult to see for the riders. What is funnier is that Hayden was complaining, at the end, that Rossi passed Pedrosa on a yellow

Nice job also by Nucky after he swapped bikes. He wasn't paying attention to what he was doing and almost hit another rider on pit row exiting.

abtech · 09-17-2006, 6:53 PM

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LOL.

Rossi passed Stoner at the entrance to the turn before the yellow flag. The waving yellow was around the apex. I guess you guys expect Rossi to see around corners now.

Where that flag was, it would be difficult to see for the riders. What is funnier is that Hayden was complaining, at the end, that Rossi passed Pedrosa on a yellow

Nice job also by Nucky after he swapped bikes. He wasn't paying attention to what he was doing and almost hit another rider on pit row exiting.

If I'm not mistaken, the corner ahead was showing stationary yellow which means the NEXT corner will have the waving yellow. They all read the rules, some riders just don't follow them very well . . .

deez · 09-17-2006, 7:07 PM

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Originally Posted by abtech

If I'm not mistaken, the corner ahead was showing stationary yellow which means the NEXT corner will have the waving yellow. They all read the rules, some riders just don't follow them very well . . .

When Rossi (either let him or other) just has Stoner pass him immediately back thus not affecting the grid positions? I think some people just want to have a cry.

sheepofblue · 09-17-2006, 7:10 PM

I think there is something to it (maybe not a violation but close it not) Hayden is not much of a whiner that I remember. So for him to protest

JBAXX · 09-17-2006, 7:16 PM

Maybe it's a good thing that Rossi wasn't penalized for passing on yellow. He might have gotten all butt-hurt and put the Ju-Ju curse on Nicky just like He did to Sete after Qatar.

abtech · 09-17-2006, 8:01 PM

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