[phozed]

robert929 : *Again, Honda leaning on the F I M to get the Honda that T H E Y want on the podium. *In this instance Hayden instead of Tamada. *

while I'm all for tinfoil hats - you've got to be kidding if you think Honda was the one who protested Tamada's riding?!!!

While I do agree that true greatness doesn't come with one season of riding I do see him in front of Barros, Ukawa, Nakano and Checa in the point standings... and those guys aren't known as slow (as you allude to below).

Riso929 : It seemed to me that Tohru Ukawa was on his ass alot when the new machine came out. *Now my memory isn't all that great, but I think Tohru got moved to a different team for providing so much competition for Rossi.

1 VALENTINO ROSSI, HONDA RC211V (4ST), 355 points, 11 WINS

3 TOHRU UKAWA, HONDA RC211V (4ST), 209 points, 1 WIN

not sure I'd call this on his ass... or even close for that matter. Oh I know... HRC only let Tohru out w/5 PSI of air so rossi'd win...

[robert929]

phozed : Quote (robert929 @ Oct. 16 2003, 11:11am)*Again, Honda leaning on the F I M to get the Honda that T H E Y want on the podium. *In this instance Hayden instead of Tamada. *

while I'm all for tinfoil hats - you've got to be kidding if you think Honda was the one who protested Tamada's riding?!!!

While I do agree that true greatness doesn't come with one season of riding I do see him in front of Barros, Ukawa, Nakano and Checa in the point standings... and those guys aren't known as slow (as you allude to below).

Riso929 : It seemed to me that Tohru Ukawa was on his ass alot when the new machine came out. *Now my memory isn't all that great, but I think Tohru got moved to a different team for providing so much competition for Rossi.

1 VALENTINO ROSSI, HONDA RC211V (4ST), 355 points, 11 WINS

3 TOHRU UKAWA, HONDA RC211V (4ST), 209 points, 1 WIN

not sure I'd call this on his ass... or even close for that matter. Oh I know... HRC only let Tohru out w/5 PSI of air so rossi'd win...
This is fun, you obviously have a lot to learn when it comes to the Japanese. I'm not attacking you or nothing, but I can almost guarantee you that Honda probably started the protest and it snowballed from there. I'm replying to you about what you quoted from someone else and in the first year of the RC211V I think Ukawa and Rossi were teammates.
I wonder why he was Rossi's #1 competition, teammate and runner up in points (I think) and was forced to switch teams. My opinion, He would never be Champion as long as he was the Champions teammate....Just my opinion.... You displayed the points are those current? I mean, 'cause compared to all of the competition he's one of the closest, who's in front of Ukawa in points?...I'd take a racer that's at least close to champ than the New Kid on the Block.., unless there one and the same....Later.

[robert929]

Rios929 : ummm, i think being in the top 10 in the points standings (he is currently 6th) in your first year in the world's premier motorcycle race championship is enought to warrent being called a 'great rider'

I guess, we should all strive to be listed in the top 10 of whatever we do, and I guess in some peoples minds that makes you great.......I should've looked at who posted that before I replied and it would've all made sense. keep up the good work dude, you'll be there someday......Later.

[phozed]

I still can't decide if you're a troll or not... but cannot convince me Honda didn't want a bike in spots 1-5 (no matter who they are or sponsored by) at Motegi... don't care how freaky you want me to think the Japanese are!

[robert929]

phozed : I still can't decide if you're a troll or not... but cannot convince me Honda didn't want a bike in spots 1-5 (no matter who they are or sponsored by) at Motegi... don't care how freaky you want me to think the Japanese are!

I guess now you've resorted to name-calling. I'm not trying to get you to believe anything. I could care less what you believe or don't. I was merely stating an opinion that was given to me by one of the Japanese press writers that I know.
I live in Japan on average of about 7 months a year, now that doesn't make me an expert, it makes me a Texan/American living in Japan about 7 months out of the year. I race in Japan and here in America, this has nothing to do with the topic, but that's the reason I was suggesting that......Later....

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[quote]robert929 :

Originally Posted by phozed,Oct. 16 2003, 12:33pm

You displayed the points are those current? *I mean, 'cause compared to all of the competition he's one of the closest, *who's in front of Ukawa in points?...I'd take a racer that's at least close to champ than the New Kid on the Block.., unless there one and the same....Later.

Are you trying to say that Ukawa is one of the closest of Rossi's competition? You want to know who is in front of Ukawa in points?
The points phozed put up are from last year. This year Ukawa is 7th in points, BEHIND Hayden. Ukawa is far from close to Rossi.
Chuck Miller has a job because of people like you? Give me a break. You are a meaningless blip on Honda's screen. Chuck Miller works with roadracers that are worth his time, not you. So you race in some obscure Japanese club series, so what? There are many of us here that race with club series in America. Some of us with the AMA.
The fact that you club race doesn't mean you know dick about top level racers.
Honda wanted Tamada knocked back to allow Hayden to be on the podium? You need to drop the crack pipe and run away from it. You profess to be so knowledgable of the Japanese, yet make a claim that they would rather see an American on French tires place third than a Japanese on Japanese tires? Yep, you da man.
Don't hate you because I'm not you?
Let's go back to something else you brought up. Colin won the world title the first year the SP1 was out, yes. I like Edwards quite a bit, and would love to see him get a Honda GP ride myself, but here are some actual facts for you to chew on:
Colin raced in the World Superbike series for 5 years before he finally won the title.
Nicky was an AMA rookie the year the RC51 debuted, and didn't play 'nuse maid' to anyone. Nicky won 4 races that year, Mladin won 4. Nicky missed the title by five points. Five points due to a couple rookie mistakes and the AMA's moronic points structure. Nicky's teammate was DuHamel, and wasn't up to speed at all, so to whom are you referring?
Nicky then won the title in his third year on Superbikes.

Learn fact before posting here if you want to be taken even half serious. There are too many people on this board that actually are knowledgable.

[fl-929]

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[deez]

BDA116 : Are you trying to say that Ukawa is one of the closest of Rossi's competition? You want to know who is in front of Ukawa in points?

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Here, I edited BDA's post, it should read *http://misterb.speedyard.net/images/finger.gif


without all his incessant sugarcoating *

edit: SP

[BDA116]

at Booth.
I tried to be somewhat kind. You know how I CAN get.

[robert929]

[quote]BDA116 : Quote (robert929 @ Oct. 16 2003, 10:48am)

Originally Posted by phozed,Oct. 16 2003, 12:33pm

You displayed the points are those current? *I mean, 'cause compared to all of the competition he's one of the closest, *who's in front of Ukawa in points?...I'd take a racer that's at least close to champ than the New Kid on the Block.., unless there one and the same....Later.

Are you trying to say that Ukawa is one of the closest of Rossi's competition? You want to know who is in front of Ukawa in points?
The points phozed put up are from last year. This year Ukawa is 7th in points, BEHIND Hayden. Ukawa is far from close to Rossi.
Chuck Miller has a job because of people like you? Give me a break. You are a meaningless blip on Honda's screen. Chuck Miller works with roadracers that are worth his time, not you. So you race in some obscure Japanese club series, so what? There are many of us here that race with club series in America. Some of us with the AMA.
The fact that you club race doesn't mean you know dick about top level racers.
Honda wanted Tamada knocked back to allow Hayden to be on the podium? You need to drop the crack pipe and run away from it. You profess to be so knowledgable of the Japanese, yet make a claim that they would rather see an American on French tires place third than a Japanese on Japanese tires? Yep, you da man.
Don't hate you because I'm not you?
Let's go back to something else you brought up. Colin won the world title the first year the SP1 was out, yes. I like Edwards quite a bit, and would love to see him get a Honda GP ride myself, but here are some actual facts for you to chew on:
Colin raced in the World Superbike series for 5 years before he finally won the title.
Nicky was an AMA rookie the year the RC51 debuted, and didn't play 'nuse maid' to anyone. Nicky won 4 races that year, Mladin won 4. Nicky missed the title by five points. Five points due to a couple rookie mistakes and the AMA's moronic points structure. Nicky's teammate was DuHamel, and wasn't up to speed at all, so to whom are you referring?
Nicky then won the title in his third year on Superbikes.

Learn fact before posting here if you want to be taken even half serious. There are too many people on this board that actually are knowledgable.
Obviously, your panties have been bunched by something I've said exactly what I did I don't know, but I do know this your opinion is just that, my opinion is just that, my opinion. Just because someone like you didn't agree with what I said doesn't mean I'm wrong. You said some of you series race here in America. Well where do you series race at??? Or are you talking about your girlfriends ex-boyfriend, or someone you know. I don't have to resort to trying to match stat for stat with you about anything. I obviously can't, because I haven't done the research, nor am I motivated to. This all got started because I said Nickey Hayden is not a Great Racer
yet. That was/is my opinion and it will continue to be untill he earns that position. No matter how many stats you come up with. I'm not a Great Racer, nor do I pretend to be, but I can say I'm good and will be even better here in the U. S. A. next year, because I'll get to race more than one race here. If you spent more time on your skills then you wouldn't have to hide behind a user name or something like that......I'm new here just tried to offer my opinion on a subject..And since you club/series race that makes you an expert on top riders?? OOppps, I forgot you didn't say you raced you said some of us here, what you in a room full of guys/gals that roadrace and your playin' the role of hanger-on, you know, cheerleader or something.....get a life....No your the man....Mr. Statistician

[fl-929]

[quote]robert929 : Quote (BDA116 @ Oct. 16 2003, 1:48pm)Quote (robert929 @ Oct. 16 2003, 10:48am)

Originally Posted by phozed,Oct. 16 2003, 12:33pm

You displayed the points are those current? *I mean, 'cause compared to all of the competition he's one of the closest, *who's in front of Ukawa in points?...I'd take a racer that's at least close to champ than the New Kid on the Block.., unless there one and the same....Later.

Are you trying to say that Ukawa is one of the closest of Rossi's competition? You want to know who is in front of Ukawa in points?
The points phozed put up are from last year. This year Ukawa is 7th in points, BEHIND Hayden. Ukawa is far from close to Rossi.
Chuck Miller has a job because of people like you? Give me a break. You are a meaningless blip on Honda's screen. Chuck Miller works with roadracers that are worth his time, not you. So you race in some obscure Japanese club series, so what? There are many of us here that race with club series in America. Some of us with the AMA.
The fact that you club race doesn't mean you know dick about top level racers.
Honda wanted Tamada knocked back to allow Hayden to be on the podium? You need to drop the crack pipe and run away from it. You profess to be so knowledgable of the Japanese, yet make a claim that they would rather see an American on French tires place third than a Japanese on Japanese tires? Yep, you da man.
Don't hate you because I'm not you?
Let's go back to something else you brought up. Colin won the world title the first year the SP1 was out, yes. I like Edwards quite a bit, and would love to see him get a Honda GP ride myself, but here are some actual facts for you to chew on:
Colin raced in the World Superbike series for 5 years before he finally won the title.
Nicky was an AMA rookie the year the RC51 debuted, and didn't play 'nuse maid' to anyone. Nicky won 4 races that year, Mladin won 4. Nicky missed the title by five points. Five points due to a couple rookie mistakes and the AMA's moronic points structure. Nicky's teammate was DuHamel, and wasn't up to speed at all, so to whom are you referring?
Nicky then won the title in his third year on Superbikes.

Learn fact before posting here if you want to be taken even half serious. There are too many people on this board that actually are knowledgable.
Obviously, your panties have been bunched by something I've said exactly what I did I don't know, but I do know this your opinion is just that, *my opinion is just that, my opinion. *Just because someone like you didn't agree with what I said doesn't mean I'm wrong. *You said some of you series race here in America. *Well where do you series race at??? *Or are you talking about your girlfriends ex-boyfriend, or someone you know. *I don't have to resort to trying to match stat for stat with you about anything. *I *obviously can't, because I haven't done the research, nor am I motivated to. *This all got started because I said Nickey Hayden is not a Great Racer
yet. *That was/is my opinion and it will continue to be untill he earns that position. *No matter how many stats you come up with. I'm not a Great Racer, nor do I pretend to be, but I can say I'm good and will be even better here in the U. S. A. next year, because I'll get to race more than one race here. *If you spent more time on your skills then you wouldn't have to hide behind a user name or something like that......I'm new here just tried to offer my opinion on a subject..And since you club/series race that makes you an expert on top riders?? *OOppps, I forgot you didn't say you raced you said some of us here, what you in a room full of guys/gals that roadrace and your playin' the role of hanger-on, you know, cheerleader or something.....get a life....No your the man....Mr. Statistician
Holy ramble Batman

It's great you have an opinion, but don't get upset if we point out facts.

[robert929]

[quote]fl-929 : Quote (robert929 @ Oct. 16 2003, 2:29pm)Quote (BDA116 @ Oct. 16 2003, 1:48pm)Quote (robert929 @ Oct. 16 2003, 10:48am)

Originally Posted by phozed,Oct. 16 2003, 12:33pm

You displayed the points are those current? *I mean, 'cause compared to all of the competition he's one of the closest, *who's in front of Ukawa in points?...I'd take a racer that's at least close to champ than the New Kid on the Block.., unless there one and the same....Later.

Are you trying to say that Ukawa is one of the closest of Rossi's competition? You want to know who is in front of Ukawa in points?
The points phozed put up are from last year. This year Ukawa is 7th in points, BEHIND Hayden. Ukawa is far from close to Rossi.
Chuck Miller has a job because of people like you? Give me a break. You are a meaningless blip on Honda's screen. Chuck Miller works with roadracers that are worth his time, not you. So you race in some obscure Japanese club series, so what? There are many of us here that race with club series in America. Some of us with the AMA.
The fact that you club race doesn't mean you know dick about top level racers.
Honda wanted Tamada knocked back to allow Hayden to be on the podium? You need to drop the crack pipe and run away from it. You profess to be so knowledgable of the Japanese, yet make a claim that they would rather see an American on French tires place third than a Japanese on Japanese tires? Yep, you da man.
Don't hate you because I'm not you?
Let's go back to something else you brought up. Colin won the world title the first year the SP1 was out, yes. I like Edwards quite a bit, and would love to see him get a Honda GP ride myself, but here are some actual facts for you to chew on:
Colin raced in the World Superbike series for 5 years before he finally won the title.
Nicky was an AMA rookie the year the RC51 debuted, and didn't play 'nuse maid' to anyone. Nicky won 4 races that year, Mladin won 4. Nicky missed the title by five points. Five points due to a couple rookie mistakes and the AMA's moronic points structure. Nicky's teammate was DuHamel, and wasn't up to speed at all, so to whom are you referring?
Nicky then won the title in his third year on Superbikes.

Learn fact before posting here if you want to be taken even half serious. There are too many people on this board that actually are knowledgable.
Obviously, your panties have been bunched by something I've said exactly what I did I don't know, but I do know this your opinion is just that, *my opinion is just that, my opinion. *Just because someone like you didn't agree with what I said doesn't mean I'm wrong. *You said some of you series race here in America. *Well where do you series race at??? *Or are you talking about your girlfriends ex-boyfriend, or someone you know. *I don't have to resort to trying to match stat for stat with you about anything. *I *obviously can't, because I haven't done the research, nor am I motivated to. *This all got started because I said Nickey Hayden is not a Great Racer
yet. *That was/is my opinion and it will continue to be untill he earns that position. *No matter how many stats you come up with. I'm not a Great Racer, nor do I pretend to be, but I can say I'm good and will be even better here in the U. S. A. next year, because I'll get to race more than one race here. *If you spent more time on your skills then you wouldn't have to hide behind a user name or something like that......I'm new here just tried to offer my opinion on a subject..And since you club/series race that makes you an expert on top riders?? *OOppps, I forgot you didn't say you raced you said some of us here, what you in a room full of guys/gals that roadrace and your playin' the role of hanger-on, you know, cheerleader or something.....get a life....No your the man....Mr. Statistician
Holy ramble Batman *

It's great you have an opinion, but don't get upset if we point out facts.
what facts did you point out. I'm not upset, I'm having fun. This is great therapy for me to be back at home and now online with you guys I'm not upset. I will apologize for snapping the way I did it was unneccesary and he was right for the most part. Sorry to have appeared to be bitter, it was not my intent.......Later.

[TAZ]

So what's the over/under on the number of races Rossi will win on the M1 in '04?

I say we set the number at four.
Post your guess.

[Baketech]

Does someone have a link that shows the Rossi/Yamaha deal is in the books?

[luvtolean]

BDA has raced, Abtech has earned his living racing, I have my expert license, phozed has raced....the list is long. *Don't think you are the fastest guy on this board. *Don't use racing to mean you know something. *

Hate you becuase I have the good fortune not to be you? Brotha please...

[deez]

They said formal announcement and signing probably wouldn't be until after Valencia.

[deez]

Latest news Bake...



Paddock unpacks for the penultimate race of the year




The MotoGP World Championship today unpacked and re-assembled for the penultimate time this year at Phillip Island amidst continued speculation over how it will look next season. World Champion Valentino Rossi has still to make his mind up over a new contract offer from Honda, with whom he won the title for the third consecutive season last weekend in Malaysia, leaving a potential merry-go-round of teams and riders on hold. However, Rossi said today that he would not rush his decision and revealed that his options were still open.

“I don’t understand why the other riders are waiting for me – maybe they want my bike!” joked Rossi this afternoon. “I am sorry for them but really it is not my problem. It is a complicated situation and would take three hours to explain, but the hold-up is not about money, it is about other contract matters. I don’t think it will be resolved this weekend.” Asked whether a proposed switch to Ducati was still on the cards, Rossi added: “Maybe it’s possible.”

Turning his attention to the weekend’s racing, Rossi continued: “This is a fabulous circuit, different to the others because it is so up and down.





It has long and incredibly fast corners, especially the first and last turns. I remember testing the V5 here for the first time – going down the hill at the end of the straight my feet came off the footpegs and I was almost flying! We have had some great races here in the past so hopefully the weather will stay nice and we can have another great show on Sunday.”

Whilst the weather on the island has been typically mixed so far this week, the majority of the riders have nevertheless enjoyed a brief respite in the demanding final run of races to take in the sights of one of the most geographically diverse and culturally affluent countries in the world. Rossi himself only arrived this afternoon after spending two days exploring Sydney, whilst for others a range of extra-curricular activities including surfing, fishing, scuba-diving and - curiously for Carlos Checa - sheep-shearing topped the agenda.

Suzuki rider John Hopkins returned from a week of jet-skiing at his good friend Garry McCoy’s house in Brisbane to make his comeback from a one-race suspension at Sepang last week.


The American rider was sanctioned for a first-corner incident at Motegi the previous week, when he crashed into Carlos Checa and Troy Bayliss, and today declared his intent to make up for lost time. “This weekend I’m going out there to give it everything I can,” said Hopkins. “I like the track and we tested here at the beginning of the season. I’ll go for it, and see what I can do. I’m not going round with my tail between my legs, that’s for sure.”

Troy Bayliss warmed up for his home race by forming part of a major Ducati Parade in Melbourne on Tuesday. The Australian and his team-mate Loris Capirossi were joined by around 100 fellow ‘Ducatisti’, who roared through the streets of the Victoria state capital to the delight of a captivated audience, which included the city’s Mayor, John So. “I always say that I would treat this race like any other, but now I am here I have to admit it is pretty special,” said Bayliss, who won both WSB races at this circuit last year. “I have a good record here and the Desmosedici went well during winter tests so I am quite optimistic, but we will have to see how we fare when the action really starts tomorrow.”

[Baketech]

Good link.....

So what are the odds that he will step back from the edge?

[robert929]

luvtolean : BDA has raced, Abtech has earned his living racing, I have my expert license, phozed has raced....the list is long. *Don't think you are the fastest guy on this board. *Don't use racing to mean you know something. *

Hate you becuase I have the good fortune not to be you? *Brotha please...

I never said I was the fastest person on this board, but I'm a little curious as to why you felt it neccesary to try to jump at me with your personal little diatribe. I know that there are people who subscribe to this site and many others that race. I'm pretty sure that there are alot of people who have raced. I hadn't made my living racing, so what. And I'm not your brotha' or whatever it was you said. I didn't quite catch what you meant by using racing to imply that I knew something.......All this because I said Nickey Hayden needed to earn the right to be called a Great Rider,,,dam.....I'm sorry, but the truth hurts...