Drug Testing Motorcycle In Motorcycle Racing

.OrgOwner · 07-26-2007, 5:48 PM

What performance drug would you take to improve your results in a MotoGp as a 25 year old male in peak condition? I don't know of a drug on the planet that is going to give you an edge over the next guy (that is not to say there is not one). Has there been a reported case of drug cheating in professional motorcycle or car racing for that matter? Is the basis of the rule that by taking a drug you gain an advantage over your competitor? "Performance Enhancement"

slickwill · 07-26-2007, 5:54 PM

Anything that improves concentration, endurance, or strength will help. There are drug options for all of those things.

03swanman954 · 07-26-2007, 5:57 PM

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What performance drug would you take to improve your results in a MotoGp as a 25 year old male in peak condition? I don't know of a drug on the planet that is going to give you an edge over the next guy (that is not to say there is not one). Has there been a reported case of drug cheating in professional motorcycle or car racing for that matter? Is the basis of the rule that by taking a drug you gain an advantage over your competitor? "Performance Enhancement"

The same steriods that are used in bicycle racing and swimming events. Not all steriods build mass only. There are steriods that are fat burners and lean you out and steriods that help with endurence. These are the ones in my opinion that would benefit these riders. When so much is on the line and there is so much competition, everyone looks for an "Edge". Not right if you ask me so I hope they do it. Then maybe we will see Motogp goto the olympics. Now that would be cool. Team USA vs Team Aussie's LoL,,,Joking guys!

TKDmasterZ · 08-07-2007, 11:47 AM

I remember the controversies about Haga's drug test results which deleted his victory points from the World SBK championship a few years ago. Haga left the Championship that year. I believe it was then popular weight loss ingredient Ephedra. I also have taken many different supplements in my history (nothing illegal), and ephedra only made my head spin. I wouldn't want to ride with anything that alters the mind. But I do concurr with slickwill that there are drugs to improve all kinds of aspects of sports.
I personally would like to take the drug to relieve the pain in the bank account when you crash.

slickwill · 08-07-2007, 12:02 PM

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I personally would like to take the drug to relieve the pain in the bank account when you crash.

If I had a bottle of that I would be at the track every weekend.

f1_hurricane · 08-07-2007, 12:15 PM

I have a bottle of that its called Canadianixol

dicknose · 08-07-2007, 6:56 PM

Isnt it as much about the image of the sport and testing for recreational drugs?

Which isnt such a bad thing when these guys are being paid a lot of money to be heroes/role models.

.OrgOwner · 08-07-2007, 7:11 PM

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Isnt it as much about the image of the sport and testing for recreational drugs?

Which isnt such a bad thing when these guys are being paid a lot of money to be heroes/role models.

Performance enhancing drugs? Image enhancing drugs? I think they should be two different issues. I agree we don't want to be sending the wrong message however. It's interesting that you can walk into any health food shop and choose from hundreds of "performance enhancing" products while at the same time athletes can get into trouble for drinking too much coffee... Maybe they should just let people take whatever and be done with it - if you turn up at race with 3 heads and four legs well you took the hormones so you have to live with it.. But seriously if you take a look at the mens 100m sprint line up from the Olympics in the 60's or 70's they don't even look like the same creatures that contest the 100m sprints these days - but hey athletics is clean right? I seriously think it's all about staying ahead of the tests but I may be way wrong..

TKDmasterZ · 08-07-2007, 7:40 PM

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Performance enhancing drugs? Image enhancing drugs? I think they should be two different issues. I agree we don't want to be sending the wrong message however. It's interesting that you can walk into any health food shop and choose from hundreds of "performance enhancing" products while at the same time athletes can get into trouble for drinking too much coffee... Maybe they should just let people take whatever and be done with it - if you turn up at race with 3 heads and four legs well you took the hormones so you have to live with it.. But seriously if you take a look at the mens 100m sprint line up from the Olympics in the 60's or 70's they don't even look like the same creatures that contest the 100m sprints these days - but hey athletics is clean right? I seriously think it's all about staying ahead of the tests but I may be way wrong..

The technology is advancing everywhere and for everything. It not only includes artificial enhancements but also improved techniques. The question really is how far would you let technology drive these competitions until you destroy the original spirit of competition. One of the things that sports promote is fairplay, and I think many organizers are trying to draw the fine line between what's fair and what is not.
I guess that's why you have the Supersport and Formula Extreme classes in AMA. Can we do something similar to humans too?

.OrgOwner · 08-07-2007, 8:06 PM

Well take a look at bodybuilding for example - they have 2 very distinct classes - natural and beast. You only need to glance at some of the athletes today to know we don't have a level playing field. "Factory Athletes" if you like have all but removed the spirit of "fair play". Staying 1 step ahead of the testers is the new sport.

dicknose · 08-08-2007, 5:22 AM

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But seriously if you take a look at the mens 100m sprint line up from the Olympics in the 60's or 70's they don't even look like the same creatures that contest the 100m sprints these days - but hey athletics is clean right? I seriously think it's all about staying ahead of the tests but I may be way wrong..

The women from that era are the worst - the east german woman!

I dont think we should allow anything as it then becomes as much of a "who is willing to risk their future health the most".
While it might seem stupid to us, there are plenty of people who would be willing to risk long their term health to get to the top in a sport.
Should those not willing to take those risks be disadvantaged?

But for bikes I think performance enhancing isnt a big issue - while strength and endurance are important they arent the major factors - not like cycling, athletics and well many sports!

I dont think it hurts to have drug testing, but I cant see that its a big issue or their use would be wide spread even if you didnt test.

TKDmasterZ · 08-08-2007, 11:30 AM

Barry Bonds' record breaking home run tells the story. People boo him, but his got the glory...or does he? We'll see if he suffers the long-term consequences of sacrificing his body for the glory of performance.
But at least he did something. The true cost of this is at the level where peolpe are taking steroids to enhance their performance, but not anywhere near the world level...and you know there are hundreds of thousands of them out there...with the dream of being the next Barry Bonds.

06CBR1KMFNRR · 08-08-2007, 11:40 AM

In my mind, Bonds' record will always have an * next to it leading you to a foot-note about performance enhancing drugs. The idea really doesn't bother me until you come to a point in time like this one. A historical record held by an athlete of legendary talent was just broken by a man who undeniably couldn't be where he is today without steroids. It doesn't sit well with me.

As far as motorcycle racing, I think you'd have to be crazier than a sh**-house rat to drink a cup of coffee before going out for a spin on one of those bikes, but perhaps that's why Repsol isn't returning my calls for a try-out!

nedro · 08-08-2007, 12:02 PM

Henry NEVER had to face a pitcher all geeked up on 'roids. Barry has. Barry hit against pitchers on HIS level, as did Henry hit pitchers on HIS level.

06CBR1KMFNRR · 08-08-2007, 12:15 PM

This is a list of the Hall of Fame pitchers Hank went against and how many homers he nailed on each of them.

17

Don Drysdale

9

Robin Roberts

8

Bob Gibson

8

Juan Marichal

7

Sandy Koufax

6

Steve Carlton

4

Tom Seaver

3

Gaylord Perry

3

Don Sutton

2

Fergie Jenkins

2

Nolan Ryan

1

Hoyt Wilhelm

I think that's pretty impressive.

nedro · 08-08-2007, 1:31 PM

Will Clark hit a homer on his first at bat from Nolan Ryan...

slickwill · 08-08-2007, 1:35 PM

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Will Clark hit a homer on his first at bat from Nolan Ryan...

Anybody can get lucky once

JermRR · 08-08-2007, 1:50 PM

I still havent heard of a "hand eye cordination" enhancing drug. All the muscle in the world isnt gonna help you hit a 90 mph fast ball. Go Barry Go!!

03swanman954 · 08-12-2007, 7:34 PM

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I still havent heard of a "hand eye cordination" enhancing drug. All the muscle in the world isnt gonna help you hit a 90 mph fast ball. Go Barry Go!!

Give em time they will have that drug soon. Hey look at it this way we are using steriods that Hitler developed for is SS team way back in WWII, and still being used today.

I wonder what drugs are currently in development that we dont know about?

.OrgOwner · 08-12-2007, 7:39 PM

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I wonder what drugs are currently in development that we dont know about?

Now you have hit on the real game, developers staying ahead of the tests. There is so much money involved these days yoru never going to stop it.

03swanman954 · 08-12-2007, 7:53 PM

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Now you have hit on the real game, developers staying ahead of the tests. There is so much money involved these days yoru never going to stop it.

Absolutely right,,,, its all about the money!!!

Bigdaddy75 · 08-23-2007, 7:45 PM

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I still havent heard of a "hand eye cordination" enhancing drug. All the muscle in the world isnt gonna help you hit a 90 mph fast ball. Go Barry Go!!

I think in these sports the real advantage lies in power and recovery. Less downtime from injury etc. Players can stay in the game for longer at peak condition.

slickwill · 08-24-2007, 11:34 AM

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All the muscle in the world isnt gonna help you hit a 90 mph fast ball

More muscle = more bat speed and more bat control. Easier to make those microsecond adjustments required for solid contact. I've played a lot of ball. More muscle helps.