Jerez MotoGP Results - 2008

.OrgOwner · 03-30-2008, 8:09 PM

1.Pedrosa
2.Rossi
3.Lorenzo
4.Hayden

What a race! While Pedrosa rode off into the sunset with the win Hayden performed well, Rossi looked good and Lorenzo is a gun! Casey Stoner looked like he was having setup problems or tyre problems and ran off twice to come in at 11th.

And none of our tipsters picked the top 3 in order so the T-shirt and $300 is alive for the next round!

ptlcb1 · 03-30-2008, 10:01 PM

Awesome race even with Pedrosa checking out! Nice to see a Honda back on top of the box! No one was going to be Pedrosa today! Nicky finally looked comfortable again, even when he saved that low-side! Rossi was the best of the rest. Stoner's inexperience showed this weekend. Remember, he is only 22 yrs old. He is great when all is good. But how good are you when things are not going your way? No doubt he was having set-up problems all weekend.

03swanman954 · 03-30-2008, 10:20 PM

That was a Great race! It was nice to see Casey Stoner making a few mistakes ,,I thought he was subhuman until today! Least he didnt get hurt. And it was nice to see HONDA dominating again! Out of the holeshot and never look back,,must of been a great feeling for Dani! And look at how Great Nicky Hayden looked today,,,all the way around it was refreshing to see Honda, Yamaha in the top 4, and not a Ducatti to been seen or heard!

Made my day! Peace!

ptlcb1 · 03-30-2008, 10:56 PM

Funny that just weeks ago, you worshipped Casey the Great, saying that it was all him and not the bike. You spoke as if he walked on water... I guess his greatness showed today, with his inability to get the bike set up properly...

.OrgOwner · 03-30-2008, 11:02 PM

One race does not make a season, I think Stoner himself did not expect to win on this track. Last year he got 5th I think. It makes it more interesting to have the champ playing catch up IMO.

03swanman954 · 03-31-2008, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlcb1

Funny that just weeks ago, you worshipped Casey the Great, saying that it was all him and not the bike. You spoke as if he walked on water... I guess his greatness showed today, with his inability to get the bike set up properly...

He is great but if you go back in re-read my point was that today he showed he was human this was the first time I have seen him make a mistake in over 1 whole season.

Anyways how about adding something to this thread besides trying to flame me,, I am already bored with it.

Obviously your point about Ducatti didnt hold water or we would of see one in the top 5 spot,,if you go back and look at the track speeds from the past few days you see Ducatti's just couldnt get it going on this track. Oh well two weeks and a different track I am sure it will be another story. But once again Like I stated weeks ago,,Its the skill of the rider,,not just the bike and Casey Stoner could win on ANY bike out there. Period! Just not today,,LOL

03swanman954 · 03-31-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by .OrgOwner

One race does not make a season, I think Stoner himself did not expect to win on this track. Last year he got 5th I think. It makes it more interesting to have the champ playing catch up IMO.

I dont know if it was the bike setup or he was just having a bad day,,but you could tell he was fighting that track the whole way.

He will back ,,next race without a doubt!

ptlcb1 · 03-31-2008, 7:40 AM

So you are saying he was perfect all last year... Hmm, I guess I missed his perfect season last year, if he made no mistakes. I guess Stoner will go down in history now for the first rider to have a perfect season! Flame you? Isnt that what you were trying to do with me on a previous thread???

My point about the Ducati was never solely about the bike. Is the bike good? Yes it is. Is Honda and Yamaha building similiar engines because of Ducati's dominance last year? Yes they are. In that previous thread, someone even posted articles that proved that. Somehow, you got what I said all twisted, because its clear you do not like Ducatis. I could be wrong, but not once have you even spelled Ducati right... So you gave all praise to Casey and Casey alone.

Now again, you say its the skill of the rider, and if Casey was as great as you professed him to be, he would have had better results this past race. Greatness is defined more so, when you are able to make great things happen when all is not going your way. He looked no better than average this weekend. No Ducati was in the top 5 because their riders, including Casey, could not figure out the set up for it this weekend...

spiral · 03-31-2008, 7:41 AM

Ducati can't go well at this circuit. It was always going to be a yamaha or Honda....What a ride from Pedrosa.....but the guy can't exchange paint. Rossi looked great..as always

ptlcb1: Mate while the Ducati is without doubt a good bike, the only rider who can use the thing is Casey Stoner.....simple as!!!! The guy was pretty much faultless last season!!!! That bike is a curse for other riders to get on with just look at the calibre of riders Ducati have had, and now have..... and the results those riders are posting!!!!! Not great, you could even say they are bad except for Stoner.

Bigtoe · 03-31-2008, 8:09 AM

I'm glad to see Lorenzo being consistant.

ptlcb1 · 03-31-2008, 8:21 AM

spiral,
I agree. Stoner and the Ducati are a good fit together. But for someone to say that it was ALL Stoner last year and give no credit to the bike, has no clue what he is talking about. 03swanman was the one that said the bike was over-rated...not me.

03swanman954 · 03-31-2008, 10:31 AM

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spiral,
I agree. Stoner and the Ducati are a good fit together. But for someone to say that it was ALL Stoner last year and give no credit to the bike, has no clue what he is talking about. 03swanman was the one that said the bike was over-rated...not me.

Ducrudi's are very overrated,,and I am leaving my point to this, if they where so damn great, you would see at the very least a consistant 1-5 finishes for all the Ducatti's in 90 percent of the races,,but we dont see that,, why is that??

Probably because its the rider thats superior not the bike. Give or take 1-2%,,, the majority of the bikes on the motogp ciruit are very close. Not ONE bike has any MAJOR advantage over any other bike out there?

I dont think thats an arguement,,but I am sure you will try to make it one.

Flame on, Ducatti Fanboy! Flame on,, I am done responding to anymore of your nonsense on Ducrudi's, LOL

Peace!

nedro · 03-31-2008, 3:38 PM

Stoner lost his mind on his first wheelin' excursion. He was gaining on Hayden because Hayden was slowing for the turn. Something Stoner must have forgotten about. Can you say target fixation?

He was at least 15 MPH faster going into the turn than Hayden in front of him, so off he went.
On his second excursion, he was stood up and had nowhere to go. That proves how hard it is to mix it up in back to mid pack in MotoGP. That's why turn one is so important.

marius · 03-31-2008, 3:41 PM

does anybody know about this problem between pedrosa and lorenzo what is the story they not talking to one another i missed out on that part.are we going to have another rossi and biaggi.

nedro · 03-31-2008, 3:47 PM

I take it you saw where the King had to put their hands together so the two Spaniards would shake hands.
I think it's from their 250cc days.

nedro · 03-31-2008, 4:29 PM

O.K., here it is.
MOTOGP: Lorenzo, Pedrosa rivalry heats up..., motorsport news, results, features, teams, drivers, updates

ptlcb1 · 03-31-2008, 4:30 PM

The problem between Pedrosa and Lorenzo is simple...they are both from Spain. A country that is very passionate about their riders! I doubt they will ever be best of friends.

Stoner's issues with Jerez is mental. He has never done well there. Seems that most riders have at least one track that they are not comfortable on. He has fell there a few times before. He chased set-up issues all weekend. He looked like the 22 yr old his is. With the mistakes he made, it was clear to me, he was just lost, mentally not there.

On that level, is target fixation really an issue with those guys? I would have to disagree. Thats a beginners mistake. He just flat out blew that corner trying to make up ground on the leaders. That race showed he can not ride around set-up problems. His second trip to the beach, I thought, he put himself in a position he should not have been in. Plus the fact that he is not use to battling with those guys who are always mid-pack. Im sure for him, that was like racing with total strangers.

its a good thing you are not going to respond again swan, your ignorance continues to show when you do...

Bigdaddy75 · 03-31-2008, 6:48 PM

I've heard Pedrosa can be a bit bland. And he's a little person and some of those little people get upset you know. SMS they call it.

03swanman954 · 04-05-2008, 4:49 PM

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I've heard Pedrosa can be a bit bland. And he's a little person and some of those little people get upset you know. SMS they call it.

Yeah he doesn't go well with the media,,his interviews are short and Racer X stated that he needs to promote himself alot better. Nicky Hayden does a great job of that and a great example of that is his MTV show "The Kentucky Kid" this did a great job of getting alot of young people in America interested in MotoGP last year!

For those who havent seen it check it out on MTV's website its still there!

Pretty Cool, Dani Looked awesome last week and no one can take that away from him though, even if he does have the personality of a frog.

03swanman954 · 04-05-2008, 4:53 PM

its a good thing you are not going to respond again swan, your ignorance continues to show when you do...

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lol,,,yeah my ignorance makes me a pretty damn good living. But you go on with your badself ,,its your dream make it as good as you want,,,lol!

gitganben · 04-07-2008, 2:26 PM

I agree Pedrosa does lack personality, but personally, I don't think Stoner is exactly a media star either. They both are phenomenal riders. No disputing that, but I miss the personality battles of old. That really was part of the fun. It used to be that fans identified with one personality or another and would cheer on the rider accordingly.

Even though I wasn't a huge fan of Sete Gibernau or Biaggi, they were great to have in the mix. So evidently passionate. The newbies may have some of that in them, but not to the same level as it used to be.

As of right now, there aren't too many standouts at the top (at least nont amongst the youngsters). I believe they're in there, just not showing their full colors yet. Of course the old standby's Rossi and Hayden have plenty of personality. And as far as battles go, on and off the track, Pedrosa and Lorenzo will be interesting to watch. Lorenzo definitely has some personality, lets hope this season pulls it out of every rider.

03swanman954 · 04-09-2008, 6:33 PM

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Of course the old standby's Rossi and Hayden have plenty of personality. And as far as battles go, on and off the track, Pedrosa and Lorenzo will be interesting to watch. Lorenzo definitely has some personality, lets hope this season pulls it out of every rider.

Yeah I like having Dani Ticked off alittle I honestly think he rides better. LOL Oh well and I see where Rossi Is already announcing that he is tired of not having more wins,,,can someone please tell him the season just started,,lol

So I guess its like in Baseball when the guy steps up to the plate and points up and out of the stadium announcing that he is going to hit a home run.

I just Hope Rossi doesnt strike out,,,for his sake!!