Honda is out of SuperSport racing?

roadracer319 · 11-13-2003, 7:43 PM

In that case, give Honda a call. I'm sure they will make all the changes you request. Those Honda engineer guys have no idea what they are doing. I'm sure you could design a much better and more competive machine.

luvtolean · 11-13-2003, 7:52 PM

roadracer319 · 11-13-2003, 8:04 PM

I thought you would get a kick out of that one.....

luvtolean · 11-13-2003, 8:07 PM

But I am an engineer, and every engineer thinks he (or she)could do it better.

Trackho · 11-13-2003, 8:13 PM

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luvtolean : Quote (tigerblade @ Nov. 13 2003, 9:24am)A lot of club racers voted R6 or GSXR instead of 600RR this year!

You mean pretty much all...
Can we spell contingency $$$$$ ?? Kind of like an AMA/AFM guy saying Dunlops suck
Damn what a bunch of whiners, unless you happen to be running at least in the top 10 of AFM--whats the big deal??
You guys really think 15lbs(in race trim)---1/2 of that in the 'race capacity' radiator--doh is gonna make that much diff??---the way I look at it its gonna be a 929 w/20-30 more HP---I think that will do just fine for me doing 25 trackdays a year

MACI4LIFE · 11-13-2003, 8:14 PM

If we didn't care then we wouldn't complain. It's the fact that we want to see the best product out there with an emblem in the shape of a wing, that we bitch about the motives and direction of the sportsbikes.

Defining the BEST would certainly depend on our own preferences, but in general we do want all of the above when it comes to these machines. the 900, and 929 were excellant examples of this.

Trackho · 11-13-2003, 8:35 PM

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MACI4LIFE : If we didn't care then we wouldn't complain. *It's the fact that we want to see the best product out there with an emblem in the shape of a wing, that we bitch about the motives and direction of the sportsbikes.

Defining the BEST would certainly depend on our own preferences, but in general we do want all of the above when it comes to these machines. the 900, and 929 were excellant examples of this.

How do you define 'Best'

The RR dominated world supersport, didnt in AMA, many think that is more rider related.
Im taking bets now that the 1000RR will dominate both WSB and AMA SB next year.

You guys keep bitchin about weight, have you seen what midgets many of the AMA guys are?? So a normal person kind of blows the equation right there. And do you really think you can double the capacity of a cooling radiator and NOT add weight??One of the engineers thats bitchin might want to start doing some calculations on moments of intertia/other things with RIDER weight included. You might actually 'catch-up' to the Honda Engineers eventually.

Whine -On

luvtolean · 11-13-2003, 8:39 PM

Need some cheese there? Backwoods livin getting to ya?

MACI4LIFE · 11-14-2003, 2:13 AM

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luvtolean : Need some cheese there? *Backwoods livin getting to ya?

LOL

Like i said 'Best' would depend what the individuals needs and desires are. We know that Honda likes to build their bikes well rounded, but for these last 2 years we've been fed garbage like Race replica ( 600rr) and f4i for the street, giving the impression that there would have been such an advantage from one bike over the other that this would have been the only way to classify the two. Well that crap obviously didn't last too long and we're starting to see the same sh!t with the latest greatest 1000rr.

Maybe i'm just pissed off cause it looks like ass, STILL has a silver swing arm, and doesn't have a dual low beam headlight system, While one of it's main competitors has projector lamps, black swing arms, and looks saweet!!

The biggest thing with me is that i expect more from Honda than the others because of the resources that they posess, and lately all they've been doing is blowing hot air out of their asses with mediocre machines ( don't get me wrong, the 600rr was one of the best bikes that i have ridden, but i can't push the bike to it's limits so i'm only going by feel, and comparisson to the 929 ), so i'm very happy to stick with the 929 and add some more mods to it until they wake up and smell the coffee.

Baketech · 11-14-2003, 6:06 AM

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tigerblade : ...especially when the 600RR was touted as a racebike first/streetbike second. *They still offered the F4i for the street riders.

[Jumping back a few posts...]

Yes, this is a bit puzzling, but I think the reason can be found by looking at it through the eyes of the designers.
It's risky to set a low weight goal on a 1st gen design, and especially so when your company hallmarks are reliability and quality. Sure, they can do it, but why choose that risk if that's not really what the majority of buyers want? I think Honda is doing a little experiment with the F4/6RR pairing....if they see a little market tug in the RR's direction, then we'll see it evolve into a more focused machine. Weight is easier (and safer) to bring off on the subsequent generations...

Just my 2 cents...

tigerblade · 11-14-2003, 12:07 PM

Fine. I give up. I can't ride worth a crap anyway, so my opinion doesn't matter. I should just take what I'm given and be happy with it. Honda doesn't want to match the R6? Far be it from me to question them.

Peace out.

asiliat · 11-14-2003, 12:40 PM

Wait. The phrase 'Race Replica' has been around for quite a while now....

Even as I was growing up and began liking bikes, I remember alot of bikes were just paint schemes with nothing else modded. (Hey, like the Erion 929s&#33

I don't think that you can use race replica as a justification for lighter bikes.

Baketech · 11-14-2003, 12:45 PM

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tigerblade : Fine. *I give up. *I can't ride worth a crap anyway, so my opinion doesn't matter. *I should just take what I'm given and be happy with it. *Honda doesn't want to match the R6? *Far be it from me to question them. *

Peace out.

Didn't say I liked it, or agreed with it....was just offering an opinion as to why I thought they were doing it...

tigerblade · 11-14-2003, 12:53 PM

I'm just in a pissy mood.

Baketech · 11-14-2003, 12:55 PM

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tigerblade : I'm just in a pissy mood. *

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Trackho · 11-14-2003, 1:01 PM

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MACI4LIFE : Quote (luvtolean @ Nov. 13 2003, 7:39pm)Need some cheese there? *Backwoods livin getting to ya?

LOL

but for these last 2 years we've been fed garbage like Race replica ( 600rr) and f4i for the street,

Maybe i'm just pissed off cause it looks like ass, STILL has a silver swing arm, and doesn't have a dual low beam headlight system, While one of it's main competitors has projector lamps, black swing arms, and looks saweet!!

The biggest thing with me is that i expect more from Honda than the others because of the resources that they posess, and lately all they've been doing is blowing hot air out of their asses with mediocre machines ( don't get me wrong, the 600rr was one of the best bikes that i have ridden, but i can't push the bike to it's limits so i'm only going by feel, and comparisson to the 929 ), so i'm very happy to stick with the 929 and add some more mods to it until they wake up and smell the coffee.
Um....I have seen some very fast guys on 600RRs, like Gary Jaehne who won the AFM 600 endurance race on one---funny he didnt have the same complaints you do. Seems that some one needs to raise their own level of mediocrity in their respective riding skills before they start bagging on things they have NO experience with

Sorry they didnt anodize the Swingarm black, and put in the blighy light bulbs for ya

luvtolean · 11-14-2003, 1:10 PM

So much hostility...

Gary might have done well on it. But how can you argue with Al Luddington and Miguel's results? They got smoked. They left the class. Over a weight issue.

tigerblade · 11-14-2003, 2:02 PM

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Trackho : Um....I have seen some very fast guys on 600RRs

There's no question that rider skill is #1 and that the 600RR is a great bike. All I'm trying to say is that maybe that same guy could go faster on an R6 with the same or possibly even less effort.

cabbage996 · 11-14-2003, 4:06 PM

You guys need to take off your blinders. *The 600rr is a turd compared to the R6 case closed. *I've been saying it all along and it pisses everyone here off, wait till the honduh 1000 comes out, it'll be a turd compared to the rest. *I've never understood blind loyalty. *I mean I love my 996, but when Ducati came out with that 999 thing *I decided not to support them with my next purchase. *I'll go to Aprilia thank you. *You all need to quit making excuses for Honda. *They could make the best bike but for some reason they don't. *Why? *I have no clue. *Look at the rc211v. *I guess they want to focus on motogp and not supersport. *I still say when all the hoopla is over the old gsxr1000 will still be king rat next year, yep even over the R1.

tigerblade · 11-14-2003, 4:13 PM

Ooo...you may get banned for that one, Coleslaw....

Trackho · 11-14-2003, 5:23 PM

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cabbage996 : You guys need to take off your blinders. *The 600rr is a turd compared to the R6 case closed. *I've been saying it all along and it pisses everyone here off, wait till the honduh 1000 comes out, it'll be a turd compared to the rest. *I've never understood blind loyalty. *I mean I love my 996, but when Ducati came out with that 999 thing *I decided not to support them with my next purchase. *I'll go to Aprilia thank you. *You all need to quit making excuses for Honda. *They could make the best bike but for some reason they don't. *Why? *I have no clue. *Look at the rc211v. *I guess they want to focus on motogp and not supersport. *I still say when all the hoopla is over the old gsxr1000 will still be king rat next year, yep even over the R1.

Lets see a 996 owner that goes to an RSV---what's wrong scared to go fast??

No hostility---I just think it is funny that all these folks are TAZing out---seems odd that Rueben Xaus can possibly smoke all these other guys that weight 40-50lbs less---sprung weight is sprung weight--- and all anyone whines about is weight--Unless you have 0% body fat and are under 5'2'---aint gonna matter...Miguel Duhammel vs what about 8 Yamaha riders, some almost 1/2 his age---if this is your benchmark---thats pretty sad. Why dont you wait until after the SB to wait for excuses, most likely it will be Mladin whining (again).

luvtolean · 11-14-2003, 6:18 PM

A rider like large rider like Xaus brings some advantages a heavy bike usually doesn't.

With his size, Xaus can manhandle a bike, he can make up time as he can transistion in later as he's able to turn the bike faster. It's the same thing with Randolph, he knows he's a big guy, but he also knows how to use his size to manhandle a bike and keep up with smaller guys.

ccwilli3 · 11-14-2003, 7:37 PM

not to derail the discussion, but you guys saw where Xaus is Hodgson's teamate AGAIN next year on the duc GP bike?