Biaggi back to Aprilia. How will he go?

macca9540 · 09-19-2008, 6:15 PM

[Max Biaggi, who won three of his four world 250 GP titles with Aprilia, is set to return to the Noale-based company to ride the Aprilia RSV4 in the Superbike World Championship in 2009 and 2010.]
What do you think?

nedro · 09-19-2008, 6:20 PM

Too bad they can't roll out the old Cube in WSB. It made for some exciting fire balls. Just ask Edwards.

gappo mancini · 09-20-2008, 2:21 PM

Biaggi cant seem to settle with any team . Where will he be 1/2 yrs from now

lanbrown · 09-20-2008, 2:33 PM

Biaggi can ride and he can win, but he needs the perfect setup to win and without it, he has no consistency.

gappo mancini · 09-20-2008, 3:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lanbrown

Biaggi can ride and he can win, but he needs the perfect setup to win and without it, he has no consistency.

Fair point Ianbrown, only thing is, there aint that many gp, bsb, wsb, ama riders out there with the perfect set up. Most of them will pick out problems with their highly strung machines.

lanbrown · 09-20-2008, 3:13 PM

But Max will not adapt to the bike like Rossi does. The bike needs to be setup to the liking of Max and if not, he won't win. He needs the bike to be setup perfectly to win.

darcas2448 · 09-20-2008, 7:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lanbrown

But Max will not adapt to the bike like Rossi does. The bike needs to be setup to the liking of Max and if not, he won't win. He needs the bike to be setup perfectly to win.

Max is one of the most talented riders to ever hit the track - huge ego? Yes! But he can ride anything anytime, what rider can win consistantly with a bike that's not set up the way they like it? Think Rossi would win day in day out with a bike not set up the way he likes? I don't get labeling a guy as "bike must be perfect for them to win" because half the guys people say this sh*t about have won 4-5 championships - the factories and teams can't make that many "perfectly" set up bikes!

lanbrown · 09-20-2008, 7:51 PM

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Originally Posted by darcas2448

Max is one of the most talented riders to ever hit the track - huge ego? Yes! But he can ride anything anytime, what rider can win consistantly with a bike that's not set up the way they like it? Think Rossi would win day in day out with a bike not set up the way he likes? I don't get labeling a guy as "bike must be perfect for them to win" because half the guys people say this sh*t about have won 4-5 championships - the factories and teams can't make that many "perfectly" set up bikes!

Look at his GP career. He had the best bike in 2005 and yet he only managed 5th in points.

He has gone from bike to bike with nothing to show for it.

When Max is happy with the bike, he can win. When he is not happy, he is not even close to the front.

He rode the Yamaha before Rossi and didn't do much with it. He rode the bike that Rossi left (RC211V) and finished 5th in points.

darcas2448 · 09-20-2008, 9:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lanbrown

Look at his GP career. He had the best bike in 2005 and yet he only managed 5th in points.

He has gone from bike to bike with nothing to show for it.

When Max is happy with the bike, he can win. When he is not happy, he is not even close to the front.

He rode the Yamaha before Rossi and didn't do much with it. He rode the bike that Rossi left (RC211V) and finished 5th in points.

Who told you Max had the best bike in 2005? Rossi? What' his number I'll call him and confirm the asessment????? Oh I guess the bike magazine's maybe said he had the best bike ... ya cause those magazines must be right???

A lot has to happen before the rider can "do something with it" The factory, the team, the sponsors, the mechanics, the suspension company, ever hear of tires? Sometimes the rider can't do much with it when the ball get's dropped before he even sits on the bike.

Going from bike to bike has nothing and everything to do with his ability to ride anything well. He keeps getting signed to new teams because he is a great talent and people love him, or love to hate him. He keeps leaving teams because he is a tempermental little prick that can act like a jerk most of the time, especially when he is not winning.

End of the day - the guy could ride a freek'n Vespa and kick your ass around a track all day with you riding his 05 RC211V.

lanbrown · 09-20-2008, 9:39 PM

It's not his RC211V anymore. You are the one that said he can rider anything anywhere. No you are stating something different. Rossi left the Repsol team and went to Yamaha. Biaggi left Yamaha prior to Rossi joiming Yamaha. So Biaggi got the bike Rossi had and won one but yet all Max was able to do wa splace fifth on it? It was a tried and true motorcycle.

I guess what you consider riding "well" must be different than what others consider it.

Max is great when he is happy with the bike, when he is not happy he will not be near the front at all. It is as simple as that.

yeller929 · 09-21-2008, 1:52 AM

Princess or not, I'm just glad to see Aprilia doing something finally. Lets hope for a strong showing and a strong team. They cannot be afraid to spend some $$$. I personally, as an Aprilia dealership parts manager, or stealership as some of you affectionately call us, am pretty stoked about them being in the race, yet, if they were to be competitive, I might just have to faint!

darcas2448 · 09-21-2008, 3:32 AM

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Originally Posted by lanbrown

It's not his RC211V anymore. You are the one that said he can rider anything anywhere. No you are stating something different. Rossi left the Repsol team and went to Yamaha. Biaggi left Yamaha prior to Rossi joiming Yamaha. So Biaggi got the bike Rossi had and won one but yet all Max was able to do wa splace fifth on it? It was a tried and true motorcycle.

I guess what you consider riding "well" must be different than what others consider it.

Max is great when he is happy with the bike, when he is not happy he will not be near the front at all. It is as simple as that.

Well I guess if you don't consider Max Biaggi to "ride well" then there is no point in having this discussion with you, you are obviously a motorcycle racing God.... it's as simple as that.

sb1000rr · 09-21-2008, 8:27 AM

i think he will do the same as he did in moto gp, close but not good enough....

nedro · 09-21-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lanbrown

It's not his RC211V anymore. You are the one that said he can rider anything anywhere. No you are stating something different. Rossi left the Repsol team and went to Yamaha. Biaggi left Yamaha prior to Rossi joiming Yamaha. So Biaggi got the bike Rossi had and won one but yet all Max was able to do wa splace fifth on it? It was a tried and true motorcycle.

I guess what you consider riding "well" must be different than what others consider it.

Max is great when he is happy with the bike, when he is not happy he will not be near the front at all. It is as simple as that.

If you honestly think he got the same bike that Rossi won on, then you need to sip some more Kool-aid.

MCR001 · 09-21-2008, 12:48 PM

yahoooo...I dig his style from the 250 days...Im one of his few fans left, but sadly the man is just screwing things up for himself. he is his own worst enemy, I hope he can get his act togther.

lanbrown · 09-21-2008, 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by darcas2448

Well I guess if you don't consider Max Biaggi to "ride well" then there is no point in having this discussion with you, you are obviously a motorcycle racing God.... it's as simple as that.

His record in GP speaks for itself. "Biaggi, who broke his leg in training in November, often said that he felt at a disadvantage in his battle with compatriot Valentino Rossi due to not having an official Honda to race." He got a factory ride and what? 2003 and 2004 on the RC211V and finsihed 3rd in points. 2005 on a factory ride and he was fifth.

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Originally Posted by nedro

If you honestly think he got the same bike that Rossi won on, then you need to sip some more Kool-aid.

It was either him or Nicky. Who do you think HRC gave the good bike too?

darcas2448 · 09-21-2008, 6:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lanbrown

His record in GP speaks for itself. "Biaggi, who broke his leg in training in November, often said that he felt at a disadvantage in his battle with compatriot Valentino Rossi due to not having an official Honda to race." He got a factory ride and what? 2003 and 2004 on the RC211V and finsihed 3rd in points. 2005 on a factory ride and he was fifth.

It was either him or Nicky. Who do you think HRC gave the good bike too?

Around and around ..... and around we go ... the END.

HRace · 09-21-2008, 9:30 PM

Bring on the RSV-4 Street Bike. Who cares about a priss ass like Biaggi.
Give Rossi and Biaggi the same bike and rossi wins. No questions. Once Max becomes frustrated my grandmother could ride better.
Rossi is the only rider that I have seen that can from 14th position after a 10sec. penalty with 10 laps and win by a second. The man is insane.....

darcas2448 · 09-22-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by HRace

Bring on the RSV-4 Street Bike. Who cares about a priss ass like Biaggi.
Give Rossi and Biaggi the same bike and rossi wins. No questions. Once Max becomes frustrated my grandmother could ride better.
Rossi is the only rider that I have seen that can from 14th position after a 10sec. penalty with 10 laps and win by a second. The man is insane.....

Rossi is a GOD!!! Cool, collected, focused, brave, hungry, skilled, personable. Could there be a better rider/champion???? I think not.

theod70 · 09-22-2008, 1:43 PM

Max has had a great career - he's a fantastic rider - he is though er, 'getting on' he's obviously done this to win the World Championship: a tall order I think but he knows something about the Aprillia and he is desperate to win.... a fact is Xaus has signed for BMW (crash testing no doubt) he's on the same equipment as Max but what has he EVER really done....with Bayliss gone on 09 things are going to change.....Kyonari knows the circuits now...

MACI4LIFE · 09-22-2008, 4:30 PM

Biaggi lacks the killer instinct. He just blames it on the bikes he rides. just watch yesterdays race 1. He was content to follow Haga around for the last few laps without posing much threat.

nedro · 09-23-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lanbrown

It was either him or Nicky. Who do you think HRC gave the good bike too?

Dang, it almost sounds as if you really think that at the end of a season, the bikes are simply put up in mothballs for the next season. Just in case you didn't know, the really trick parts are taken off imediately and although the bike is still very fast and handles like a knife, it is nowhere near the bike that was in competition. And Rossi and Burges definitely took some things off the bike at their departure.

theod70 · 09-23-2008, 1:11 PM

OK, I think comparing Rossi with anyone is unfair - Biaggi is in WORLD

theod70 · 09-23-2008, 1:16 PM

OOPS!! Biaggi is in World Superbike and I think everyone will have underestimated Aprillia. they've been working on the RSV4 for years.... it will hit the ground running I'm sure of that..... I really hope a Brit on a Fireblade (Johnny Rea) smokes Biaggi - but that Aprillia will be a rocketship.

Last point - at Vallelunga the great Bayliss fell chasing Haga.........what did Max do on a private bike?

gappo mancini · 09-23-2008, 6:49 PM

Are Aprilla only representing themselves at WSB, how about Moto gp and BSB ???

yeller929 · 09-24-2008, 2:07 AM

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Originally Posted by gappo mancini

Are Aprilla only representing themselves at WSB, how about Moto gp and BSB ???

As far as I know it's SBK and MotoGP.

cbrsmurf · 09-26-2008, 4:02 AM

A huge part of being a good racer is communicating with your crew what you want and how the bike feels. I really believe MOST racers could be fast with a perfect setup, but a bike is NEVER perfectly setup. Biaggi does not communicate with his crew well or doesn't know what kind of setup he wants, therefore, he's not at the top.

darcas2448 · 09-26-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cbrsmurf

A huge part of being a good racer is communicating with your crew what you want and how the bike feels. I really believe MOST racers could be fast with a perfect setup, but a bike is NEVER perfectly setup. Biaggi does not communicate with his crew well or doesn't know what kind of setup he wants, therefore, he's not at the top.

Where do you guys get this information? Do you know the crew that works with Biaggi? Do they have an "800" # somewhere that lists publicly each riders strengths and weaknesses? What commentator did you overhear say Biaggi doesn't tell the crew how the bike feels?

Seriously - do you think the guy is mutiple world champion at the highest levels of racing and he doesn't tell the team what he needs the bike to do?

I remember the guy won his first ever 500 gp race - do you think he just rode the freek'n bike the way it was set up when they backed it off the truck or maybe he just asked Doohan what set up he was running there? Give me a break .... of course he tells the team how he likes the bike set up!

lanbrown · 09-26-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by darcas2448

Where do you guys get this information? Do you know the crew that works with Biaggi? Do they have an "800" # somewhere that lists publicly each riders strengths and weaknesses? What commentator did you overhear say Biaggi doesn't tell the crew how the bike feels?

Seriously - do you think the guy is mutiple world champion at the highest levels of racing and he doesn't tell the team what he needs the bike to do?

I remember the guy won his first ever 500 gp race - do you think he just rode the freek'n bike the way it was set up when they backed it off the truck or maybe he just asked Doohan what set up he was running there? Give me a break .... of course he tells the team how he likes the bike set up!

How about this, what proof do you have that he does communicate well with his team? You can't use wins because he has been near the back of the pack before. The key here is "communicating well" not communicating at all. There is a difference.

darcas2448 · 09-26-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lanbrown

How about this, what proof do you have that he does communicate well with his team? You can't use wins because he has been near the back of the pack before. The key here is "communicating well" not communicating at all. There is a difference.

It would be hard to win championships if he didn't communicate well - and if he has never communicated well and the bike is not the way he likes it then that blows your theory stated much earlier that he can't win unless the bike is perfect???? What say you to that my friend??