[praylood_93]

that danny eslick's bike is the biggest reason for his continued success? I mean he simply blows past everyone on the straights. Hell the buell doesn't even corner that good but with a long enough straight he can pass several bikes. This frustrates me everytime I watch ama supersport. The bike isn't competitive. the only battles are for 2nd 3rd and 4th. Hell, gimme a lawn chair with enough power and I can win too.

[DUX]

Originally Posted by praylood_93

that danny eslick's bike is the biggest reason for his continued success? I mean he simply blows past everyone on the straights. Hell the buell doesn't even corner that good but with a long enough straight he can pass several bikes. This frustrates me everytime I watch ama supersport. The bike isn't competitive. the only battles are for 2nd 3rd and 4th. Hell, gimme a lawn chair with enough power and I can win too.

Isn't it something like an 1125 twin vs the inline 600's?

[praylood_93]

yup, hp is supposed to be the same, torque on the other hand...

[BigBassTurd]

Originally Posted by DUX

Isn't it something like an 1125 twin vs the inline 600's?

Hell put that 1125cc v-twin buell against the 1000cc v-twin rc-51 and it will still get it's ass handed to it. Blah Buell what a joke! It's not a harley and it's no a sport bike, it's this gray matter in between that nobody real cares for.

[toddnet929]

There's an 1125 racing in the 600 class and a 1098 racing in the 1000 class, does this make sense to anyone?

[denzee]

Opened up a can of worms here. I think the Buell racing version is a 1200 too so double the displacement. Not a lot to brag about unless you're Eric Buell. He says he showed the Japanese how to win races in the first season. What a joke! Not to mention you can't buy the 1125R for the street as it says in the rule book. Goes on and on. Sure an aircooled V twin needs an advantage but come on.

[toddnet929]

You can buy the 1125R for the street.

Here's the facts on this bike.

Displacement:1125.86 ccm (68.70 cubic inches)
Engine type:V2
Stroke:4
Power:146.00 HP (106.6 kW)) @ 9800
RPMTorque:111.19 Nm (11.3 kgf-m or 82.0 ft.lbs) @ 8000 RPMCompression:12.3:1
Bore x stroke:103.0 x 67.5 mm (4.1 x 2.7 inches)
Fuel system:Injection. Dual 61 mm down draft throttle bodies, DDFI III fuel injection
Valves per cylinder:4
Fuel control:DOHC
Starter:Electric
Cooling system:Liquid
Gearbox:6-speed
Transmission type
final drive:BeltClutch:Wet, multi-plate, Hydraulic Vacuum Assist (HVA) slipper – action clutch, hydraulic clutch lever effort

[denzee]

You can buy an 1125R but not the 1125RR which is what thet are racing. Technically it is illegal. Here is one of the articles on it from Soup.

Buell 1125RR: Not Road Legal, Yet Superbike Legal
by staff
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Here is the press release from Buell regarding their 1125RR, (note second R in designation) a bike not road legal, yet somehow Superbike legal, as per DMG. Isn't it interesting how the Japanese manufacturers are knocked back to Superstock spec this season in Superbike, yet Buell gets to enter a full-on Superbike that isn't even street legal?
As is becoming characteristic with Buell they just can't bear to merely bring a gun to a gunfight, it's always gotta be a Gatling gun (of their own design) to a fist-fight.
Buell Press Release Start:
(July 15) Buell Motorcycle Company today introduced the 1125RR, a race-use only motorcycle intended for competition in the AMA Pro Racing American Superbike class.
"The 1125RR is designed to give privateer racers a turn-key machine to compete in the American Superbike class in AMA Pro Racing. We want to build on our program that has proven so successful for privateers in the Daytona SportBike class," said Erik Buell, Chairman and Chief Technical Officer, Buell Motorcycle Company.
The Buell 1125RR features a modified Helicon 1125cc (103mm bore x 67.5mm stroke) liquid-cooled 72-degree V-Twin engine. Power increases come from components including a larger airbox and intake manifold, revised valves and camshafts, a higher compression ratio, titanium exhaust system and other weight-reduced components.
The 1125RR chassis is the standard 1125R design with fuel-in-the-frame, plus a billet axle adjustment system and chain-drive to allow gearing changes. Suspension travel is managed by fully adjustable units, with a Showa 43mm front fork and a remote-reservoir rear shock. A ZTL2 (Zero Torsional Load) eight-piston front caliper is mated with a modified front rotor.
Buell 1125RR features:
? 1125cc (68.7 cid) Helicon Powertrain:
o 4.055 inch (103 mm) bore and 2.658 inch (67.5mm) stroke
? Dual 61mm down-draft fuel-injection throttle bodies
? Titanium exhaust header and mass-centralized muffler
? 6-Spoke cast magnesium racing wheels
o Front: 3.5 inch (88.9mm) x 17 inch (431.8mm)
o Rear: 6 inch (152.4mm) x 17 inch (431.8mm)
? Buell ZTL2 reversed rotor front brake with eight-piston Nissin caliper
? 43mm Showa fully-adjustable inverted forks
? Showa fully-adjustable rear shock with remote reservoir
? Cast-aluminum swingarm machined with billet axle adjustment system
? Center position wheelbase 55.5 inches (1410 mm)
Buell will produce a limited number of 1125RR motorcycles for sale only to licensed professional road racers who will compete in the AMA Pro Racing American Superbike class. U.S. MSRP is $39,995. Orders must be placed through the Buell Race Department and delivered through an authorized Buell motorcycle dealer.

[denzee]

Originally Posted by toddnet929

There's an 1125 racing in the 600 class and a 1098 racing in the 1000 class, does this make sense to anyone?

That 1098 is actually an 1198 but has been approved by WSBK. The only way Ducati could compete with a V twin was to use exotic components which increased the cost way too high. Then that bike in order to be homologated, had to be made available on the street. The facts are that a twin can't make the power of an inline four with equivelent displacement. In the case of Buell, it is an air cooled V twin which is even much worse.

Believe me I'm not crazy about the whole thing. Sometimes I think if the limit is 1000cc then bring what you want to race as long as it's available to the public. If you want to make v twins then sorry about your luck. This has been going on for some time and that's why Honda made the RC51, just to exploit the rules a bit.

[ghbzorro]

Originally Posted by denzee

In the case of Buell, it is an air cooled V twin which is even much worse.

The 1125R (and 1125RR) have water-cooled V-Twin engines by Rotax, not an ancient Harley engine.

[denzee]

Originally Posted by ghbzorro

The 1125R (and 1125RR) have water-cooled V-Twin engines by Rotax, not an ancient Harley engine.

Yes you are right ghbzorro. I do recall the rad shroud falling off during the Daytona 200.

[toddnet929]

Eslick's bike is a 1125 R not an 1125 RR it's the street legal bike.