Rossi to Ducati?

dicknose · 10-17-2009, 4:44 AM

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Originally Posted by denzee

Don't mean to throw in another variable but the crew chief is huge. That why riders who switch teams almost always bring along their crew chief because they both have the ability to work together and solve issues.

As scary as Rossi is - what is even more amazing is the record of his chief.
Jeremy Burgess - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Became a crew chief in 87 and in the 21 years since then has won the 500/MotoGP title 12 times.
Sure he had 2 of the best in Doohan and Rossi - but its still an amazing record.
Everyone talks about Rossi winning when he went to Yamaha, but a lot of that has also got to be Burgess.

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Having said that, I think Spies will be the one to watch next year in MotoGP

Dont think he will be in the front pack.

stephen whale · 10-17-2009, 8:30 AM

as we e seen over the last couple of years Mr Rossis reign on the moto gp circuit is starting to fade just a little and like lots of ex champions it only gets harder and there desire often starts to lesson (after winning so much the hunger for world dominiation may not be quite as strong)

The King Rossi may win the moto gp series another time or two but i believe he will share the podium more and more with others (legend Casey Stoner included)
lots of people(in uk and ireland hate to here) it but 3 world champs in one 20years stretch!!!! Australia is still the king of world moto gp in my tainted eyes people. (anyone new to the sport look up the 'Woolloongong wiz kid' Wayne Garnder and Queenslander Mick Doohan!!!!!)
Maybe rossi will be keeping up with or even vbeating Stoner- but i know who im rooting for brothers.
go aussie go!!! pizza boy will suffer in 2010 i reckon!!!
be it yam,duke,aprilia,kwakasaki or whatever bleeding bike!! - the boys will give it a good go anyways!!!!
ride to live,and sometimes die to live- ride to be free - death is the ultimate freedom for all!!!

jazzy · 10-17-2009, 8:39 AM

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Originally Posted by stephen whale

as we e seen over the last couple of years Mr Rossis reign on the moto gp circuit is starting to fade just a little and like lots of ex champions it only gets harder and there desire often starts to lesson (after winning so much the hunger for world dominiation may not be quite as strong)

The King Rossi may win the moto gp series another time or two but i believe he will share the podium more and more with others (legend Casey Stoner included)
lots of people(in uk and ireland hate to here) it but 3 world champs in one 20years stretch!!!! Australia is still the king of world moto gp in my tainted eyes people. (anyone new to the sport look up the 'Woolloongong wiz kid' Wayne Garnder and Queenslander Mick Doohan!!!!!)
Maybe rossi will be keeping up with or even vbeating Stoner- but i know who im rooting for brothers.
go aussie go!!! pizza boy will suffer in 2010 i reckon!!!
be it yam,duke,aprilia,kwakasaki or whatever bleeding bike!! - the boys will give it a good go anyways!!!!
ride to live,and sometimes die to live- ride to be free - death is the ultimate freedom for all!!!

If Stoner wasn't taken ill this year, I think he would be on top, but I'm sure it would of been a hell of a battle with Rossi.

spina220 · 10-17-2009, 9:37 AM

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Originally Posted by stephen whale

as we e seen over the last couple of years Mr Rossis reign on the moto gp circuit is starting to fade just a little and like lots of ex champions it only gets harder and there desire often starts to lesson (after winning so much the hunger for world dominiation may not be quite as strong)

The King Rossi may win the moto gp series another time or two but i believe he will share the podium more and more with others (legend Casey Stoner included)
lots of people(in uk and ireland hate to here) it but 3 world champs in one 20years stretch!!!! Australia is still the king of world moto gp in my tainted eyes people. (anyone new to the sport look up the 'Woolloongong wiz kid' Wayne Garnder and Queenslander Mick Doohan!!!!!)
Maybe rossi will be keeping up with or even vbeating Stoner- but i know who im rooting for brothers.
go aussie go!!! pizza boy will suffer in 2010 i reckon!!!
be it yam,duke,aprilia,kwakasaki or whatever bleeding bike!! - the boys will give it a good go anyways!!!!
ride to live,and sometimes die to live- ride to be free - death is the ultimate freedom for all!!!

Even if Rossi suffers in 2010 it will take a long time before anyone beats his records, he just like Giacomo Agostini's records took years to beat, another pizza boy, everyone has their day in the spotlight, but nobody has been in it longer than Rossi. Maybe one day a leprechaun will win.

jazzy · 10-17-2009, 9:41 AM

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Originally Posted by spina220

Even if Rossi suffers in 2010 it will take a long time before anyone beats his records, he just like Giacomo Agostini's records took years to beat, another pizza boy, everyone has their day in the spotlight, but nobody has been in it longer than Rossi. Maybe one day a leprechaun will win.

Well put....'pizza boy'..

spina220 · 10-17-2009, 9:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jazzy

Well put....'pizza boy'..

gappo mancini · 10-17-2009, 1:40 PM

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Originally Posted by denzee

Don't mean to throw in another variable but the crew chief is huge. That why riders who switch teams almost always bring along their crew chief because they both have the ability to work together and solve issues.

Lets face it, all the top bikes are great machines. The top riders are also very good. The team that is best able to put the package together will usually win. When you are talking 10ths of seconds on lap time, even the most minor or what would seem insignificant change can result in a podium finish.

Rossi to Ducati would be great for two reasons. He loves a challenge and wants to beat Stoner and Lorenzo for that matter. Also for him to finally be with the Italian team would be great.

Having said that, I think Spies will be the one to watch next year in MotoGP

Very well made point.

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Originally Posted by setanta

Yes thats what Im saying the best "geller" would be the rider with the most natural talent

...nice hair makes a huge difference

dicknose · 10-19-2009, 3:20 AM

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Originally Posted by stephen whale

as we e seen over the last couple of years Mr Rossis reign on the moto gp circuit is starting to fade just a little and like lots of ex champions it only gets harder and there desire often starts to lesson

Not sure if he has lost the desire yet!

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The King Rossi may win the moto gp series another time or two

Or 5...
How old was Doohan when he STARTED his run of 5 championships?
How old is Rossi?

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lots of people(in uk and ireland hate to here) it but 3 world champs in one 20years stretch!!!! Australia is still the king of world moto gp in my tainted eyes people.

Since 1987...

Australia - 7 years, 3 riders
And in the same time how many champs from other countries?
spain - 1 year, 1 rider
italy - 6 years, 1 rider
usa - 8 years, 5 riders

So I think the stats point to the USA being the dominant country in the last 22 years (and they won the 4 years before 1987)

setanta · 10-19-2009, 5:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jazzy

If Stoner wasn't taken ill this year, I think he would be on top, but I'm sure it would of been a hell of a battle with Rossi.

After watching Stoner yesterday have to agree with you

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Originally Posted by spina220

Even if Rossi suffers in 2010 it will take a long time before anyone beats his records, he just like Giacomo Agostini's records took years to beat, another pizza boy, everyone has their day in the spotlight, but nobody has been in it longer than Rossi. Maybe one day a leprechaun will win.

Eugene might just do that, you never know

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Originally Posted by gappo mancini

Very well made point.

...nice hair makes a huge difference

Totally agree its all about style

spina220 · 10-19-2009, 7:21 AM

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Originally Posted by setanta

After watching Stoner yesterday have to agree with you

Eugene might just do that, you never know

Totally agree its all about style

With Stoner healthy you never know what could happpen, I feel Stoner and Lorenzo are the only real competition to Rossi, but with this year almost done, my crystal ball is feeling a Stoner Championship next year.

As for Eugene, lets not talk about him please, I really wanted him to win, that was such a let down.

setanta · 10-19-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by spina220

With Stoner healthy you never know what could happpen, I feel Stoner and Lorenzo are the only real competition to Rossi, but with this year almost done, my crystal ball is feeling a Stoner Championship next year.

Think its going to be sooo close next year, just hope the bikes stay good

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As for Eugene, lets not talk about him please, I really wanted him to win, that was such a let down.

Know what you mean, the language was a bit blue in my living room, when he fell

jazzy · 10-19-2009, 11:15 AM

Well if Rossi does go to Ducati whether it be next year (contracted til 2010) or the year after, on that bike I think he will piss all over Stoner. The bike has the power over the Yamaha, and Rossi is the better rider me thinks....we shall have to see...........

setanta · 10-19-2009, 1:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzy

Well if Rossi does go to Ducati whether it be next year (contracted til 2010) or the year after, on that bike I think he will piss all over Stoner. The bike has the power over the Yamaha, and Rossi is the better rider me thinks....we shall have to see...........

Did you see Stoner ride that thing this weekend flippen heck he was amazing, even Rossi thought so??

JohnnySpeed954 · 10-19-2009, 1:44 PM

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Originally Posted by spina220

Stoner is great, but Rossi is the best. It would be interesting to see Rossi on a bike everybody else fails on except for Stoner.

I think thats a given in the case of Rossi. mean look at the facts :

1) Rossi won with Honda ... Honda as always ran their mouth and said it was because of the bike.

2) Rossi leaves Honda and goes to Yamaha who at the time were a failing team. SEVERAL championships later Rossi proves it's not the bike ... IT'S THE RIDER!!

So if the past has shown anything the chance for Rossi to goto Ducati he's gonna mop the floor with everyone INCLUDING Stoner. Rossi will have a vendeta again ... prove that without him Lorenzo can't do anything!!

Don't get me wrong ... Lorenzo is a hell of a rider in his own right but do you really think he would be doing so well without the riding platform that Rossi built??

jazzy · 10-19-2009, 2:28 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

Did you see Stoner ride that thing this weekend flippen heck he was amazing, even Rossi thought so??

Rossi always says the right thing at the right time, a very clever guy/champion.

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Originally Posted by JohnnySpeed954

I think thats a given in the case of Rossi. mean look at the facts :

1) Rossi won with Honda ... Honda as always ran their mouth and said it was because of the bike.

2) Rossi leaves Honda and goes to Yamaha who at the time were a failing team. SEVERAL championships later Rossi proves it's not the bike ... IT'S THE RIDER!!

So if the past has shown anything the chance for Rossi to goto Ducati he's gonna mop the floor with everyone INCLUDING Stoner. Rossi will have a vendeta again ... prove that without him Lorenzo can't do anything!!

Don't get me wrong ... Lorenzo is a hell of a rider in his own right but do you really think he would be doing so well without the riding platform that Rossi built??

Have you noticed that Lorenzo rides the same as Rossi, with regard to gear/brake/acceleration/corner speed/corner line....because he's been following the guys wheel for so long!!! On his own Lorenzo has proved himself to be a winner BUT only when Rossi and the others have had a bad day.
I think Rossi on a Ducati will be unstopable.

dicknose · 10-19-2009, 9:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnySpeed954

2) Rossi leaves Honda and goes to Yamaha who at the time were a failing team. SEVERAL championships later Rossi proves it's not the bike ... IT'S THE RIDER!!

But look at where the other Yamaha bikes are?

2 years ago people were saying "its not Stoner, its the bike"
Well look at Ducatis results - its pretty much all Stoner.

At the moment it would be hard to argue against the best bike being Yamaha followed by Honda.
The top 10 championship is
3 Yahamas (1,2,6)
4 Hondas (4,5,7,8)
1 Ducati (3)
1 Suzuki (9)
1 Kwaka (10)

Sure - when Rossi first was on the the Yamaha the difference was him.
Certainly compared to the best of the Honda riders and he and his teams ability to improve the Yamaha.

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So if the past has shown anything the chance for Rossi to goto Ducati he's gonna mop the floor with everyone INCLUDING Stoner. Rossi will have a vendeta again ... prove that without him Lorenzo can't do anything!!

Not so sure.
Would you have said Stoner was a better rider than Melandri or Hayden or Capirossi??

Why is Stoner miles ahead of anyone else on that bike?

I think Rossi is the better rider than Stoner.
And if the bikes suits them both then it probably will be like Rossi and Lorenzo - neck and neck but Rossi ahead most of the time.

But I dont think the Ducati is necessarily better than the Yamaha or the Rossi going to Ducati wouldnt end up with Lorenzo winning the title.

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Don't get me wrong ... Lorenzo is a hell of a rider in his own right but do you really think he would be doing so well without the riding platform that Rossi built??

Definitely Rossi (and Burgess!) has made the Yamaha great.
And I dont think he will beat Rossi over a season on the same bike. Not without some luck.

But Im not sure that Rossi going to Ducati would make him any faster.
And there is a good chance he could be slower than Stoner - not because Stoner is better, but just that there is some magic in the combo of Stoner and that Ducati.
Put any of those top guys on the Yamaha or Honda and I this Rossi would be on top.
But I have my doubts when it comes to the Ducati.

HRC RC51 · 10-27-2009, 3:35 AM

Rossi considered Ducati in 2003 before going to Yamaha, but didnt because they were like Honda (more about the bike and less about rider input). This is why the Yamaha is the bike to be on. Rossi and crew have made a bike others can ride more effectively (Lorenzo switched over from 250cc very easy and Edwards has been more constant on the Yamaha than the Honda or Aprilia).

Stoner was able to gel with the Ducati and has really had a chance to shine. He showed promise on the Honda in 2006 but crashed many times (Honda was too focused on Pedrosa and the 2007 800cc bike to help the other riders..Hayden had to work really hard for that championship).

Stoner has more wins and podiums than Rossi since 2007 (800cc class) so he has really been the guy to beat, and Rossi has had to work to his limits to stay ahead. The 800cc class has taken the rider out of the equation and the electronics have taken over. It is harder for Rossi to use his amazing riding skill with the throttle when electronics take over and equalize the field. Now they have to get a good grid spot/start and if not, hope front riders make a mistake. There really arent multiple race lines anymore, it is like watching ants in a line go around the track...no more battling back and forth like on the 990cc or the 500cc.

dafwb · 11-15-2009, 4:12 AM

Before Rossi went to Ducati he would have to take at least some of his current team with him...they turned the Yamaha into a Honda and they would turn the Ducati into both of them...this they must do for Rossi to be successful.
Casey's success on the Duc is all down to his ability..not the bike..its what he can do on a full factory machine....Nicky has had his bike turned inside out and is finally starting to make up ground..as with the rest of the Duc riders still got a way to go though.

HRC RC51 · 11-15-2009, 11:29 PM

I dont think Burgess is up for a new bike to work with. He has said that he didnt want to have a new rider to work with once Rossi is done with racing and I dont see him changing to a different bike either. He was really ready to retire with Honda and Rossi got him to switch then, but now might be a different story. I would like to see Rossi get on the Ducati and grab a title.

dafwb · 11-16-2009, 2:33 AM

Fair coment about Burgess...he's not getting any younger after all.
If Rossi won a title on one I could only be properly satisfied if he did it with the Duc's current..'personality'...it would mean much more in my opinion.
Peoples comments comparing Stoner on the LCR dont make sense...it was a satellite bike therefore cannot be directly compared to the full factory versions...they also struggled with front end issues but was less pronounced for them because they had access to the best rubber. A fit Stoner injury and illness free will pose a very serious threat in '0 10.