The Wait is almost over

tigerblade · 01-09-2004, 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRjack

Don't forget Rossi had done well on Aprilia 250s before he rode for Honda. If anyone can carry good corner speed Rossi can. And that can make up for a lack of power the Yamaha may have.

Biaggi kicked ass on 250s too though.

luvtolean · 01-09-2004, 5:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BDA116

TB, you forget that Rossi has never really had to develop a bike.

Umm...the RCV? It was the best bike because he and Honda developed it to be so.

Baketech · 01-09-2004, 5:48 PM

Tuning and development are two different things....

tigerblade · 01-09-2004, 6:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Baketech

Tuning and development are two different things....

Right, but how many riders are ever really involved in the engineering side? You're referring to the initial parameters of the design right? No, I don't think Rossi will come up with an entirely new design on his own but he can probably tell Yamaha if he thinks a new part might work. Some riders can't communicate their feedback into valuable information for the engineers. I think Rossi does understand what the bike is doing and what's causing it. I guess it depends on how you define "development". Development from the ground up or the ongoing development of an exisiting idea?

BDA116 · 01-09-2004, 6:10 PM

Rossi did some fine adjusting with the RCV to suit him, but most of the development was done by HRC test riders. Rossi didn't need to do hardly and 'developing' of the RCV.
I'm not doubting Rossi overall, just stating that the odds are overwhelmingly against him winning the championship.

deez · 01-09-2004, 7:00 PM

You don't win 5 world championships by the age of 24 without knowing how to develop/setup a bike. Rossi knows what he needs to go fast, and that is all he needs to know.

Baketech · 01-09-2004, 7:18 PM

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Originally Posted by booth23

You don't win 5 world championships by the age of 24 without knowing how to develop/setup a bike. Rossi knows what he needs to go fast, and that is all he needs to know.

Development and setup are 2 different things.......is there an echo in here?

deez · 01-09-2004, 7:20 PM

Colin developed the SP1/SP2, and Rossi developed the RC211V, as well as Ukawa

Baketech · 01-09-2004, 7:29 PM

Kinda like Al Gore invented the internet....

bwhip · 01-10-2004, 1:51 PM

Don't get me wrong - Rossi is the man - unquestionably the best, but the I think the Yammy will set him back (at least temporarily) and prevent him from spending as much time atop the podium as on the Honda.

Nick the Quick · 01-13-2004, 6:19 PM

Rossi is great!!! But face it here guys, M1 not going to do it. Barros was good on the 211, look what he did with the M1, not so good. MotoGp is all bike, all riders on the paddock could win a championship on a good bike. Rossi has ALWAYS been on the top bike, Aprilia included. Love Rossi, but you won't see him winning a championship on a Yamaha for at least 2 years. M4 is beening developed from what I've heard. M1s front end is way too unpredictable for a championship run.

Colin Edwards doesn't get enough respect. He will with out a doubt be in the top 5 for the Championship, top 2 in my opinion. Nicky Hayden has a really good chance as well, just needs to be calm, and not force anything.

My top 5 picks for 04 MotoGp Champion

1. Sete Gibernau- Beat Rossi, enough said.
2. Colin Edwards- Hes at the perfect age, tons of experience, returns to HONDA.
3. Nicky Hayden- Young but not dumb, fast, and ready.
4. Loris Capirossi- Its been a long time coming.
5. Troy Bayliss- He has shown he can lead a MGP race, he is the Ducati expert. Small chance thou.

Val Rossi- not going to happen, at least this year, 05' maaayyybe, but just mabye. He is still very young, and will race for at least 5-6 more years. You can't hold him down for long, he will turn Yamaha into a winner, or leave for Ducati (Non smoking sponser only thou), hopefully he will grace the Honda with his superior riding ability before he hangs up his leathers. I do see him racing rally after his MotoGp career.

Max Biaggi- Snowballs chance in hell. Too much of a b*tch. Riding slowy on race lines to block others in qualifing is just not cool. I'd park my bike right up his little 4 foot nutin a**hole. Why ride softer compound tires if they're no good for the last laps? I hate cry babies.

One more thing:

Would you enjoy watching all the MotoGp pilots riding more stock car like bikes? Maybe up the laps to 100, bring pitcrews more into the deciding factor. Get some bike specs that all factories agree with, and can afford. Because lets face it, all these riders deserve a better chance. The results seem too predetermined to me, IROC motorcycle racing maybe. Different bike every year maybe? Just my thoughts...

ND4SPD · 01-13-2004, 6:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick the Quick

One more thing:

Would you enjoy watching all the MotoGp pilots riding more stock car like bikes? Maybe up the laps to 100, bring pitcrews more into the deciding factor. Get some bike specs that all factories agree with, and can afford. Because lets face it, all these riders deserve a better chance. The results seem too predetermined to me, IROC motorcycle racing maybe. Different bike every year maybe? Just my thoughts...

Absolutely not. Might as well watch nascrap

Nick the Quick · 01-13-2004, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ND4SPD

Absolutely not. Might as well watch nascrap

At least you don't have much of a clue who is going to win the race before it starts. When Rossi was riding the 211, it was like just making sure he was going to win. I love MotoGP, but I would love to see the riders match up with equal machines at least once a year. Like at the end of the season give all the riders the best bike of the year, for bragging rights. Something to shut riders up, I'm sick of hearing riders blame it on bikes. Biaggi all those years talking smack about how he could beat Rossi on a Honda.

So ND4SPD, absolutely not!?! You like seeing riders like McCoy, Hopkins, and anyone else who is not on a Honda/Ducati enter a race knowing full well they dont have a chance? You a Yankees fan?

Love to see Mladin and Hayden head to head with same bike, shut Mat up.

Red Rider · 01-14-2004, 3:22 PM

Just heard on Greg's Garage last night that MotoGP has changed the starting grid to 3 bikes per row for next year. Sure makes qualifying even more important now than ever...

ND4SPD · 01-14-2004, 3:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick the Quick

At least you don't have much of a clue who is going to win the race before it starts. When Rossi was riding the 211, it was like just making sure he was going to win. I love MotoGP, but I would love to see the riders match up with equal machines at least once a year. Like at the end of the season give all the riders the best bike of the year, for bragging rights. Something to shut riders up, I'm sick of hearing riders blame it on bikes. Biaggi all those years talking smack about how he could beat Rossi on a Honda.

So ND4SPD, absolutely not!?! You like seeing riders like McCoy, Hopkins, and anyone else who is not on a Honda/Ducati enter a race knowing full well they dont have a chance? You a Yankees fan?

Love to see Mladin and Hayden head to head with same bike, shut Mat up.

Why should they make Honda choke their bikes down, and hold their R&D back and wait for everybody else to catch up?

One race a season, yeah, I could deal with that, but not all of them. And we know who would win.....Rossi.

Baketech · 01-14-2004, 3:50 PM

I think it would have been cool to have seen Sete on the same bike as Rossi last year....would have been interesting...

deez · 01-14-2004, 4:13 PM

Rossi didn't like the RC211v in the beginning because he said it was too easy to ride. Said he preferred the hard to handle/ride 2 stroke. The guy loves a challenge

QuikMike · 01-14-2004, 4:46 PM

I think Rossi will be able to contend this year....the guy is a supremely talented rider(not saying that the rest of the field isn't)...I think the key will be how well pre-season testing shakes out for Valentino and the M1...if things go well and they only have to make a few changes to the bike, Rossi might have as good a chance as anyone in the field...on the other hand, if he struggles in testing and shakedowns, it might be a long year for him....the M1 did fare a bit better towards the end of the year last year with Melandri at Philip Island(until he crashed out) and Checa and Barros at Valencia...so, the bike isn't too far off....in either case, should make for an exciting year of racing!!!

ccwilli3 · 01-14-2004, 4:52 PM

I enjoyed those recent quotes from Barros as to why everyone on yamaha's were crashing... Him, melandri, et al, no front end feel... Then SMACK, on the pavement you go...

They gotta get that feel or rossi will be in trouble... What is it? The end of the month when he finally rides it??

tigerblade · 01-14-2004, 5:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick the Quick

You like seeing riders like McCoy, Hopkins, and anyone else who is not on a Honda/Ducati enter a race knowing full well they dont have a chance?

I'd like to see more makes at the front, but not at the expense of hamstringing Honda for being the best. If they set the target then the other manufacturers are forced to concentrate on R&D. That's good for motorcycles in general.

Baketech · 01-14-2004, 9:15 PM

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Originally Posted by booth23

Rossi didn't like the RC211v in the beginning because he said it was too easy to ride. Said he preferred the hard to handle/ride 2 stroke. The guy loves a challenge

Nowwaitadamnminute.....easy to ride out of the box?
Just a few days ago you were saying he developed that bike....

deez · 01-14-2004, 9:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Baketech

Nowwaitadamnminute.....easy to ride out of the box?
Just a few days ago you were saying he developed that bike....

Picking peanuts again I see

Compared to the 2 stroke, he said the 4 stroke seemed docile (sp?) because of the linear powerband etc. Comparatively, that is. My guess is that the 4 strokes are, and the 2 strokes had an on/off switch so to speak.