[CBRVFR]

Sheep, can you confirm this? I saw it on another board.

If true, this is truly horrifying.

I witnessed a motorcycle t-bone a car this past saturday night. It looked like a "Busa" (23 yeaqr old rider) topped a hill (you could hear the rider winding the bike out BEFORE he crested the hill) still accelerating at a very high rate of speed. On the backside of the hill a Corolla (16 year old driver per local newspaper) was stopped waiting to pull out into the median. I was travelling the opposite direction of the Busa. When I hear it (yes in my truck over the radio) I began scanning around looking for the bike. That's when I noticed the Corolla. The lanes were clear for the car (for an instant), suddenly the bike crested the hill, he had maybe <75yds to the impact with the car. The rider gave a split second sound of his horn, then impacted the car in the driver's side door. The impact was severe. The bike was probably going around 100 mph when he crested the hill, based on the previous cars traveling past that location. I immediately called 911. I had my 4 year old daughter with me and thankfully I stopped short of the driver side of the car. People that were in the lanes following the Bus immediately stopped and ran to the vehicles to offer assistance. The first man ran to within 5 ft of the crash and immediately turned and ran away, shaking both his hand and his head to indicate "no". Both died at the scene.

I posted this in hopes that it may save a life of a rider and/or a "cager". The 16 year old was an innocent victim, the wrong place at the wrong time. She never, nor would I, have expected to see a vehicle crest that hill @ that high rate of speed, giving her no opportunity to clear the intersection. The impact of the motorcycle was so great that the motorcycle was halfway inside the car. Somebody lost a daughter, grand-daughter, and/or sister Saturday night. I've relived that collision may times over the past two days. As a father, I can't image the loss to the families.
Please be careful and spread the word.

[CBRVFR]

Looks like it's true; the victim was identified as a 60 year old woman.

http://www.al.com/search/index.ssf?/...?nlocal&coll=1

RIP to the innocent victim.

I have no sympathy whatever for the irresponsible asshole on the bike.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by CBRVFR

Looks like it's true; the victim was identified as a 60 year old woman.

http://www.al.com/search/index.ssf?/...?nlocal&coll=1

RIP to the innocent victim.

I have no sympathy whatever for the irresponsible asshole on the bike.

Wow, the author resisted the urge to blame the bike or talk about speed involved.

Sad. RIP.

[WHITEtt]

the government needs to get into this. there are too many vehicles out there that were bought BECAUSE of their incredible performance capabilities, and not nearly enough times for the driver to relieve some of that tension of wanting to play with their high performance vehicle in a legit way. there are not enough racetracks and usually if there is one around you it costs alot to get on it. i think the gov. needs to create more "vehicular playgrounds" ie. racetracks, 1/4 drag track, or even funding for autocross days at wallmart or something. but it will never happen.

[esoteric]

So you're saying MY tax money should be spent on a track somewhere that ****tards with no self control can go express their sexual frustrations with their throttle? You start legislating crap like that, where we've already got too much **** on the books, and I'm going to suggest the design is a straight lane with a nice brick wall at the end. Everyone gets to try it once.

If a day at the track is too expensive for you to get out to, trade your bike for a cheaper one and use the excess funds to pay for your track days. Maybe get a job, speed less so you can spend the money on track instead of tickets and insurance?...

[luvtolean]

tt, maybe you'll explain to all of us how the government can legislate intelligence into the population.

[phobiaphobe]

Hills make me nervous. I always slow down to crest a blind hill.

[esoteric]

Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Hills make me nervous. I always slow down to crest a blind hill.

Cops tend to pick them as hiding places, too. We've even got some signs around here (or had previously) indicating such. It's actually a very legit place to catch someone speeding without any excuses. I guess this guy got stopped by a regular-old citizen ;-)

[BDA116]

Originally Posted by esoteric

So you're saying MY tax money should be spent on a track somewhere that ****tards with no self control can go express their sexual frustrations with their throttle? You start legislating crap like that, where we've already got too much **** on the books, and I'm going to suggest the design is a straight lane with a nice brick wall at the end. Everyone gets to try it once.

If a day at the track is too expensive for you to get out to, trade your bike for a cheaper one and use the excess funds to pay for your track days. Maybe get a job, speed less so you can spend the money on track instead of tickets and insurance?...

I read his post earlier and though to myself, "How in the world can anyone be so ****ing stupid?".
Then I noticed the age and realized he was just released from the government controlled indoctrination system.

[phobiaphobe]

Wait until he gets his first $1000 a week job and takes home $650.00.

[esoteric]

Something tangent to this idea, but with a practical purpose and implementation, was a ruling in California, at least in Orange County, that towns can build "skate parks" that are (as far as I understand it) ZERO liability and require no insurance. What this has done is provide the kiddies a legitmate place to play on their skateboards, do their tricks, etc. without trespassing on normal community/business property, police harassment, etc. LOTS of these places have shown up out and around the area. Lots of useless little plots of land that wouldn't even be worth putting in a greenbelt on get paved with a half-pipe and a protective fence. Not too shabby even if we're paying for it... then again we're always paying for stores libility insurance, so it's all about the same.

[WHITEtt]

lets go ahead and be honest here, companies make high performance machines because there is a demand for them, right? people want the thrill of going fast, and they dont want to wait for it. they see a good road and floor it to a speed that they feel was good enough then they slow down, or in some cases keep going. my point is that most people see the track as an option, and probably use it sometimes, but most cant afford to go to the track every week, so they find a quiet backroad or a nice straight peice of road, and take what they have to their limit, and sometimes farther. i know the government isnt going to do something like that, it would not make sense, it would be expensive and nobody cares enough to do it, it was just a random thought. sorry for sturring things up with it, had no idea people actually felt so strongly about it.

Originally Posted by esoteric

So you're saying MY tax money should be spent on...

are you suggesting that you have a choice? your tax money? no offense, but tell that to the government and im sure they'll get a real kick out of it.
by the way the autocrossing probably wouldnt be such a bad idea, not wallmart but around here they do it at some colleges.

[esoteric]

Originally Posted by WHITEtt

are you suggesting that you have a choice? YOUR tax money? tell that to the government im sure they'll get a real kick out of it.

Just wait till you hit college and you take your required class in government or politics. You'll understand a little bit more about how the government operates (K-12 doesn't seem to have worked). I'm not only suggesting I have a choice, I'm telling you there's more power available if you decide to look for it than you know. The first way I tell the government is by voting (and I hope you educate yourself before you choose to). Other means require more effort or money.

If you want to play a neat game we can both write letters to your congressmen, mayors, state reps, governator, etc. You write yours about how you think the hormonally challenged over-age children of your community need drag-strips to express their personal frustrations and I'll write mine about how much of a pain in the ass these kids on rice-rockets are out in the country ignoring the speed limit and making all kinds of noise and how much more of a police crackdown on such flagrant violators is needed. I might even suggest that some of these guys looked Arabian and might be carrying toenail clippers, box-cutters, and dirty-bombs if I want to stir it up more.

After some local legislation crops up you can write back and let us know how much influence I/we have in how money is spent in the government. Make sure to state your thesis in the first paragraph, make a supportive argument, and finish with a formal conclusion. Points off for spelling, grammar, and sentence structure.

What's your city, state, and zip code?

[kawboy69]

Sad to hear sh*t like this it makes you think about all the dumb fu*ks on bikes these days. But what can be done?

[NinerPilot]

Originally Posted by esoteric

Cops tend to pick them as hiding places, too. We've even got some signs around here (or had previously) indicating such. It's actually a very legit place to catch someone speeding without any excuses.

But what good would it do for a cop to chase this bike if he were caught speeding... They shouldnt give tickets, just get the plate as they fly by and wait for them.....

not poking at you, just irony in the threads...

[Thompson954]

In some places in cally the cops hold street races becuase they relize people are going to do it anyways so if they set up these races and oversee them it saves life. %'s of race related racing has drop out of the sky. Who cares how much it cost to save a life would any of you do that for your loved one put a price on them, or are you just saying that because it's not your family or freinds that got hit or hit some one. People will be people and we can't control everyones action but we can give them a place for those actions and keep our streets safer. This was proven aswell in the 60's when tracks were opening up left and right. If all to kids and adults are racing in one spot they are there all in one safe spot and not doing 175 MPH down main street - just my 2 Cent --Andrew

[WHITEtt]

Originally Posted by esoteric

Just wait till you hit college and you take your required class in government or politics

i'm in it right now, profesor is pretty tough too, one of those lecture types and never sits down. i do know you can vote on things so yes you do have some say in it but theres a definite limit to your power over it. im not saying i know as much as you, your 29 and im 19, a decade of learning from other's and my own mistakes and a whole lot more is between us so that would be dumb. by the way just to let you know i am not really into government stuff, i know enough to back up reasons for why i feel a certain way about who should/shouldnt be president but other than that i dont care enough about it, im going into either mechanical or chemical engineering, most likely mechanical because i have a thing for it .

[phobiaphobe]

Andrew, meet Kevin. Kevin, Andrew.

[esoteric]

Originally Posted by NinerPilot

But what good would it do for a cop to chase this bike if he were caught speeding... They shouldnt give tickets, just get the plate as they fly by and wait for them.....
not poking at you, just irony in the threads...

I think we have a policy against high speed chases now or coming soon. These traps are mostly for cars as that's the majority of traffic. I did see a couple CHP on motorcycle setting up shop in the local canyon this weekend.

[Zeeman]

My deepest sympathies to the family of the victim and also the rider. They are the ones who suffer most, and, unfortunatley, 2 groups of families are now most likely anti motorcycle. Along with most passers by who had to see the horrific aftermath...

Z...

[rocket]

Originally Posted by NinerPilot

But what good would it do for a cop to chase this bike if he were caught speeding... They shouldnt give tickets, just get the plate as they fly by and wait for them.....

not poking at you, just irony in the threads...

If you're referring to the post where the police caught 3 of the 4 riders and bumped the fourth http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/40360-evading-rider-incident-police.html I think that's exactly how it should be done. Let him go, defuse the situation and get the info necessary to apprehend the suspect from the other riders.

In most cases a chase would be merited if it does not put the people the police are supposed to be protecting in danger i.e. innocent citizens.
Having a standard response for every situation would be unwise.

[MrX954]

RIP for the victim. Another innocent person takin by someone who thought they could impress themselves by going fast in a straight line

[Thompson954]

Kevin, Andrew. Shinny side up.