[mad max rr]

Hello

I found this link, i thins is from Italy:

Evotech

Does anyone has a modification no your bikes for the cooling problem ?

[davef]

What cooling problems? My bike never overheats even if I'm stuck in traffic on hot humid days.

[dchd1130]

Does anyone has a modification no your bikes for the cooling problem ?[/quote]

[seamus]

Originally Posted by dchd1130

He meant, "Does anyone have a modification on your bike for the cooling problem?"

[dchd1130]

Originally Posted by seamus

He meant, "Does anyone have a modification on your bike for the cooling problem?"

ok I see that now I read it a few times and still couldnt see that. I didnt know it had a cooling problem mine runs around 200-220

[steingar]

The boiling point of water is about 212 degrees F, which makes 200-220 a good operating temperature to get moisture and condensation out of the engine, thus preventing corrosion. Mine runs that on hot days.

[abtech]

Originally Posted by steingar

The boiling point of water is about 212 degrees F, which makes 200-220 a good operating temperature to get moisture and condensation out of the engine, thus preventing corrosion. Mine runs that on hot days.

Unfortunately aluminum block high rpm engines make their best power at a much lower temperature (~180 degrees F). The idea that running over those temps gets condensation and moisture out of the engine is somewhat naive and doesn't address the original poster's question.

If you are running a street bike with a standard antifreeze/distilled water mix, corrosion isn't an issue whatsoever.

[davef]

Yup, mine runs at about 180-190 on the highway or the track. In traffic i hit 218 all the time.

[mad max rr]

Wen i am riding at hight rpm, not in higwai, but in fast corners at low speed ( 60, 80 , 120 km/h), my bike get too 90 degres and loose some power.
I think that is from the over eating.
I have a Micron slip on and a pc3 usb.

[crazyn8]

maybe try a diet?
im in phoenix and it always seems my bike is at 200-225f. because its 120f outside and im in traffic. even while on highway during summer the bike will be above 195 usually. winter time the bike is fine.

[mad max rr]

[quote=crazyn8;549500]maybe try a diet?
quote]

What diet ?

[crazyn8]

bad joke
'i think that is from the over eating'
just wanted to subscribe to the thread to see if any does have some good cooling solution for hot days.

[seamus]

Do any of your friends have the same problem?

Has it been happening the whole time you've owned the bike?

Did you recently change your coolant?

You'll have problems with the "overheating" if you have air in your system. Try purging the system of air and see if that helps.

engine running hot

[crazyn8]

Thanks for the tip.

[Gigolo Jason]

Switch to Evans,

You can run a 0psi radiator cap (no internal pressure on hoses and seals) and never have to worry about your coolant system again.

[dchd1130]

do you have a link to were they sell it I found there site but didnt give you much info

[Gigolo Jason]

Originally Posted by dchd1130

do you have a link to were they sell it I found there site but didnt give you much info

Here you go

Evans Cooling Systems Dealer Information

I had to mail order mine from Dallas.

[davef]

Originally Posted by Gigolo Jason

Here you go

Evans Cooling Systems Dealer Information

I had to mail order mine from Dallas.

A lot of track orgs won't let you out on the track with that stuff in the bike. For instance, Cornerspeed.net and Fireblades.org days don't allow it. I was going to go that route until I did a bit more research. I ended up going with Water Wetter and water so I coulde get on any track.

Just so you know...

[Gigolo Jason]

Originally Posted by davef

A lot of track orgs won't let you out on the track with that stuff in the bike. For instance, Cornerspeed.net and Fireblades.org days don't allow it. I was going to go that route until I did a bit more research. I ended up going with Water Wetter and water so I coulde get on any track.

Just so you know...

Correct, this is not a mod for a track bike. Evans is an oil based coolant (as a mechanical engineer I am guessing at this without testing, it has the consistancy of hydraulic oil) and is not sanctioned for track events.

I do not track my bike and I never will track my bike. Just because it has been outlawed at racetracks through rule book changes doesn't mean it is an inferior setup or bad for a machine.

This is an excelant modification for street use bikes. I did a write up on this and posted the install in the Fireblade section. It will run at lower temperatures then a 50/50 antifreeze set up with a 0psi radiator cap. It will not freeze or corode your engine from the inside out.

The major benifit that I see besides raising the coolants boiling point to 375 degrees (a temp much higher then anything we will ever see) is that a 0psi cap adds no artificial pressure on your radiator, hoses, seals, and gaskets that is scene with the stock 15psi radiator cap. The only pressure is the water pump circulation, thus extending the service life of all of the components of your coolant system.

[abtech]

Originally Posted by Gigolo Jason

Correct, this is not a mod for a track bike. Evans is an oil based coolant (as a mechanical engineer I am guessing at this without testing, it has the consistancy of hydraulic oil) and is not sanctioned for track events.

I do not track my bike and I never will track my bike. Just because it has been outlawed at racetracks through rule book changes doesn't mean it is an inferior setup or bad for a machine.

This is an excelant modification for street use bikes. I did a write up on this and posted the install in the Fireblade section. It will run at lower temperatures then a 50/50 antifreeze set up with a 0psi radiator cap. It will not freeze or corode your engine from the inside out.

The major benifit that I see besides raising the coolants boiling point to 375 degrees (a temp much higher then anything we will ever see) is that a 0psi cap adds no artificial pressure on your radiator, hoses, seals, and gaskets that is scene with the stock 15psi radiator cap. The only pressure is the water pump circulation, thus extending the service life of all of the components of your coolant system.

It wasn't outlawed for track use because of "rule book changes", it is not approved for use because it is extremely slippery and will cause riders to crash if it gets on the track surface.

Radiators and their associated plumbing are usually the first item to break in even a relatively "small" crash on the track. The attrition caused by any type of slippery liquid is usually quite significant for anyone riding through the crash site. It also takes much longer to effectively remove antifreeze (of any type) off the track surface than water or water/water wetter.

[davef]

Originally Posted by Gigolo Jason

Correct, this is not a mod for a track bike. Evans is an oil based coolant (as a mechanical engineer I am guessing at this without testing, it has the consistancy of hydraulic oil) and is not sanctioned for track events.

I do not track my bike and I never will track my bike. Just because it has been outlawed at racetracks through rule book changes doesn't mean it is an inferior setup or bad for a machine.

This is an excelant modification for street use bikes. I did a write up on this and posted the install in the Fireblade section. It will run at lower temperatures then a 50/50 antifreeze set up with a 0psi radiator cap. It will not freeze or corode your engine from the inside out.

The major benifit that I see besides raising the coolants boiling point to 375 degrees (a temp much higher then anything we will ever see) is that a 0psi cap adds no artificial pressure on your radiator, hoses, seals, and gaskets that is scene with the stock 15psi radiator cap. The only pressure is the water pump circulation, thus extending the service life of all of the components of your coolant system.

True Dat! Except as Abtech stated. My point was only that if the user plans on putting the bike on a racetrack he may have problems with teching the bike.

Good install write-up by the way.

[crazyn8]

NPG+
Evans NPG+ Waterless Coolant is the recommended coolant for all gasoline and diesel engines. NPG+ is a stand-alone lifetime coolant that does not freeze, or boil over. NPG+ controls detonation, cavitation, and is non-corrosive. Installing NPG+ requires the radiator, engine block and heater core to be drained completely and then filled 100% with NPG+. NPG+ meets or exceeds both the ASTM D 1384 corrosion test and the ASTM D 3306-94 specifications.
Boils 375°F @ 0 psi
Freezes -40°F
Viscosity 2.3cp @ 212°F
Surface Tension 44dyn/cm
$32.50 per Gallon
http://www.evanscooling.com/catalog/npgRc.jpg NPG-R

NPG-R is specifically formulated to handle the extreme conditions of racing and high performance automotive, marine and motorcycle applications. The reduced viscosity of NPG-R makes it more compatible with small tube copper-brass radiators while providing the superior cooling of Evans Waterless Coolants. Although NPG-R is safe for all metals and contains no water, an annual coolant change is suggested for racing vehicles. For maximum corrosion protection, high performance street driven vehicles running NPG-R should change coolant every other year.
Boils 400°F @ 7psi
Freezes -10°F
Viscosity 2.0cp @ 212°F
Surface Tension 46dyn/cm
$32.50 per Gallon
http://www.evanscooling.com/catalog/npgC.jpg NPG
Evans NPG Waterless Coolant is the original waterless coolant. NPG is only recommended for racing engines that run on tracks or in series that have a “no ethylene glycol’ rule. NPG is also a stand-alone coolant. To convert to NPG the radiator, engine block and heater core must be drained completely. NPG is not recommended for daily drivers or cold weather vehicles.
Boils 369°F @ 0psi
Freezes -79°F
Viscosity 2.8cp @ 212°F
Surface Tension 36dyn/cm
$32.50 per Gallon



Can You use the reg NPG at the track?

[abtech]

Originally Posted by crazyn8

NPG+
Evans NPG+ Waterless Coolant is the recommended coolant for all gasoline and diesel engines. NPG+ is a stand-alone lifetime coolant that does not freeze, or boil over. NPG+ controls detonation, cavitation, and is non-corrosive. Installing NPG+ requires the radiator, engine block and heater core to be drained completely and then filled 100% with NPG+. NPG+ meets or exceeds both the ASTM D 1384 corrosion test and the ASTM D 3306-94 specifications.
Boils 375°F @ 0 psi
Freezes -40°F
Viscosity 2.3cp @ 212°F
Surface Tension 44dyn/cm
$32.50 per Gallon
http://www.evanscooling.com/catalog/npgRc.jpg NPG-R

NPG-R is specifically formulated to handle the extreme conditions of racing and high performance automotive, marine and motorcycle applications. The reduced viscosity of NPG-R makes it more compatible with small tube copper-brass radiators while providing the superior cooling of Evans Waterless Coolants. Although NPG-R is safe for all metals and contains no water, an annual coolant change is suggested for racing vehicles. For maximum corrosion protection, high performance street driven vehicles running NPG-R should change coolant every other year.
Boils 400°F @ 7psi
Freezes -10°F
Viscosity 2.0cp @ 212°F
Surface Tension 46dyn/cm
$32.50 per Gallon
http://www.evanscooling.com/catalog/npgC.jpg NPG
Evans NPG Waterless Coolant is the original waterless coolant. NPG is only recommended for racing engines that run on tracks or in series that have a “no ethylene glycol’ rule. NPG is also a stand-alone coolant. To convert to NPG the radiator, engine block and heater core must be drained completely. NPG is not recommended for daily drivers or cold weather vehicles.
Boils 369°F @ 0psi
Freezes -79°F
Viscosity 2.8cp @ 212°F
Surface Tension 36dyn/cm
$32.50 per Gallon



Can You use the reg NPG at the track?

No. Even though they state it is designed for racetrack use, independent testing has shown it to be several orders of magnitude more slippery than water on asphalt and concrete. Some trackday companies allow it, but most racing organizations do not for the above stated reason.

[Gigolo Jason]

Originally Posted by abtech

No. Even though they state it is designed for racetrack use, independent testing has shown it to be several orders of magnitude more slippery than water on asphalt and concrete. Some trackday companies allow it, but most racing organizations do not for the above stated reason.

Correct, but this is not a track only website.

This type of coolant, although superior to any other, was outlawed in racing because of your above mentioned details.

Please reference parts of this page:

Motorcycle Gallery - Page 1 -

This is splitting hairs on the matter though.

Most street riders do not have (hopefully not that is) the problem with wrecks that is a constant threat to safty on the track.

You wouldn't want to run evans on the track for the same reason you wouldn't want to run racetrack tires on the street.

[seamus]

I think abtech was just answering the question posted at the bottom of the descriptions.