[Apexstrafer]

Im signed up! Anyone else going? http://www.classrides.com/

[CBRBob]

Unless you are a believer of the 'body steering' you might get frustrated with what they are teaching

[Apexstrafer]

Originally Posted by CBRBob

Unless you are a believer of the 'body steering' you might get frustrated with what they are teaching

You are right .... CLASS focuses on body steering ..... CODE focuses on counter steering. Spencer and Schwantz teach both I think at least from what Ive read. Im sure I can still learn alot!

I won a gift certificate at a local track day to go to CLASS. I talked to Reg on the phone and he permitted me to go to the Advanced Class. Im looking forward to meeting him in person as he was real friendly and I respect his accomplishments as a motorcyclist. Im hoping to gleen some new tools at his school as well.

PS. I did Keith Codes California Superbike school back in '91 and I learned alot.

[NinerPilot]

I took CLASS and loved it. With the whole Pridmore vs Code thing, in my eyes, if you push on the right bar, you go right, if you weight the right peg, you go right. They are both correct and both are fast... You wont have any regrets on class!
Chris

[bwhip]

CLASS was outstanding, as was STAR. There is ZERO chance you will be disappointed. One of the most fun, exciting things I've ever done. You will leave a much better rider than you came.

[CBRBob]

Almost everyone I know that took the class understood what they were saying but once riding they snap at you if it even appears that you are countersteering. YOU know countersteering is the way a bike turns and the body movement HELPS. They look at it the other way. Like I said, you might get frustrated.

[HondaGalToo]

Originally Posted by CBRBob

Almost everyone I know that took the class understood what they were saying but once riding they snap at you if it even appears that you are countersteering. YOU know countersteering is the way a bike turns and the body movement HELPS. They look at it the other way. Like I said, you might get frustrated.

I never had anyone snap at me anytime I took CLASS, which was probably 4 times. I found everyone to be very friendly and helpful. And Reg doesn't say NOT to countersteer.

[bwhip]

Originally Posted by HondaGalToo

I never had anyone snap at me anytime I took CLASS, which was probably 4 times. I found everyone to be very friendly and helpful. And Reg doesn't say NOT to countersteer.

Exactly. Reg talked about the fact that some recommend countersteering, that they have a little different approach (but they never said not to), and certainly never "snapped" at anyone. They believe that using your body and weight to help steer the bike is a little more subtle and less likely to get you into trouble than countersteering, which if overused can be a bit too aggressive.

[Apexstrafer]

Originally Posted by CBRBob

Almost everyone I know that took the class understood what they were saying but once riding they snap at you if it even appears that you are countersteering. YOU know countersteering is the way a bike turns and the body movement HELPS. They look at it the other way. Like I said, you might get frustrated.

CBRBob please correct me if Im wrong here but did you take CLASS and get frustrated with the whole body steering thing? If thats the case why dont you just come out and say that! Id much rather hear about your personel experience than "you might get frustrated" So what if i get frustrated? It happens every time Im on the track anyway. Slower riders taking up valuable real estate (dont they know who I think I am?) and faster riders making hairball passes ( Maniacs)

I use both techniques anyway. Remember this is his "ADVANCED CLASS" quoted from his website

Advanced CLASS: One smaller "A" Group, Faster paced, race strategy discussed, passing on the inside allowed. Limited enrollment for more intensive one on one instruction. Approval Required - talk to Reg if you haven't ridden in the CLASS "A group" before.

I'll follow up afterwards ....

[Apexstrafer]

Oh yeah ...."YOU know countersteering is the way a bike turns and the body movement HELPS".

Countersteering initiates the turn only and is absolutely not the way a bike turns. After the bike falls into the corner counter steering is over and the bike turns itself with minor inputs from the rider! ! Yes you can countersteer mid turn to correct your line (dual apex)but , the force applied to the bars could put you on your ass! Whereas the combination of corrrect peg weighting,body movement and even some braking will produce the desired results as well without upsetting the bike so much and you can still land on your ass

[HondaGalToo]

Yeah. In his book, Code talks about different pressure points on the bike, where and how to press your thigh into the tank, push down on the outside peg in a turn, etc. Is that NOT a form of body steering? I never understood why Code bashes bodysteering when the above mentioned techniques ARE bodysteering.

Yes, countersteering works and is the most effective way to get the turn initiated. But, to me, if you do anything else like shift your weight to the inside, which would also result in weighting the peg, if you apply pressure to the tank with your thigh, if you weight the outside peg, etc., etc., that is bodysteering. Personally, I feel they go hand-in-hand.

[CBRBob]

Nope, I didnt take it. Like I said, you MIGHT get frustrated, not that you will. They were not all friends of mine, sometimes it was something that came up in conversation. It seems there are definately 2 sides to it. Those that know countersteering works and those that believe in all bodysteering. I know that if you don't countersteer, the bike will change directions.........slowly, but it will of course. The forceful input will make the bike turn and follow it with a balance and depending on the desired lena angle and speed, the necessary body movement. Even the pressure on the pegs once knee down will have some effect, but no where near the amount a change in handlebar input will get you. I was not talking about slow or fast riders. In my book its all good, everyone having fun. The frustration comes from different 'schools of thought' on how to make a bike turn. A friend was snapped at (belittled in front of the group) for taking a racing line through a turn. She (yes I said she) said what the hell, it's a RACETRACK, what kind of line do you want me to take? Why would you pay for that kind of treatment. She was about the 8th person I know of that had a similar experience. Of course, there are many that have an awesome time, again, thats why I said MIGHT get frustrated.

[nedro]

You're talking a lota chit for someone who's not taken the CLASS. I loved it. Great fun.

[Apexstrafer]

Originally Posted by CBRBob

Nope, I didnt take it. Like I said, you MIGHT get frustrated, not that you will. They were not all friends of mine, sometimes it was something that came up in conversation. It seems there are definately 2 sides to it. Those that know countersteering works and those that believe in all bodysteering. I know that if you don't countersteer, the bike will change directions.........slowly, but it will of course. The forceful input will make the bike turn and follow it with a balance and depending on the desired lena angle and speed, the necessary body movement. Even the pressure on the pegs once knee down will have some effect, but no where near the amount a change in handlebar input will get you. I was not talking about slow or fast riders. In my book its all good, everyone having fun. The frustration comes from different 'schools of thought' on how to make a bike turn. A friend was snapped at (belittled in front of the group) for taking a racing line through a turn. She (yes I said she) said what the hell, it's a RACETRACK, what kind of line do you want me to take? Why would you pay for that kind of treatment. She was about the 8th person I know of that had a similar experience. Of course, there are many that have an awesome time, again, thats why I said MIGHT get frustrated.

[HondaGalToo]

Originally Posted by CBRBob

Nope, I didnt take it. Like I said, you MIGHT get frustrated, not that you will. They were not all friends of mine, sometimes it was something that came up in conversation. It seems there are definately 2 sides to it. Those that know countersteering works and those that believe in all bodysteering. I know that if you don't countersteer, the bike will change directions.........slowly, but it will of course. The forceful input will make the bike turn and follow it with a balance and depending on the desired lena angle and speed, the necessary body movement. Even the pressure on the pegs once knee down will have some effect, but no where near the amount a change in handlebar input will get you. I was not talking about slow or fast riders. In my book its all good, everyone having fun. The frustration comes from different 'schools of thought' on how to make a bike turn. A friend was snapped at (belittled in front of the group) for taking a racing line through a turn. She (yes I said she) said what the hell, it's a RACETRACK, what kind of line do you want me to take? Why would you pay for that kind of treatment. She was about the 8th person I know of that had a similar experience. Of course, there are many that have an awesome time, again, thats why I said MIGHT get frustrated.

Um, so she was belittled for taking a racing line, not for countersteering? That's two different things to me. Reg does teach different lines than what I'd take. It's because his school is geared more towards street riding than track riding, so the lines he shows are ones that are meant to be safer on the street, not necessarily the racing line. Yes, if you have prior track experience, that part of it can be frustrating.

[nedro]

Being belittled in front of the whole class could've been nothing more than pointing out the line she took. Everyone interprets criticism differently. Being constructive or otherwise.

[luvtolean]

Class is great, you'll love it.

You won't get frustrated by them. The only day at the track I can call frustrating was Code's. That prick can kiss my ass. He knows much less about motorycles, and especially the dynamics behind them, than he thinks.


The best part of the day was Code saying over and over, you can't flick in the bike too fast! Practice throwing it as hard as possible. So one of the instructors stops me and we talk. He asks why I'm not turning faster. I say, the bike stays upset for half the corner when I do. We go out so he can show me you can flick it with all your strength. He does it, tucks the front and barely pulls it back. I think I laughed for the rest of the lap as I followed.

[Trackho]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Class is great, you'll love it.

You won't get frustrated by them. The only day at the track I can call frustrating was Code's. That prick can kiss my ass. He knows much less about motorycles, and especially the dynamics behind them, than he thinks.
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Ditto---got to be careful or hell try to convert you to scientology---then youre ****ed

[Red Rider]

If nothing else, Reg has the Championship(s) to back him up...what did Code win?

FYI, I've taken several CLASS schools and always enjoyed it. Reg and his crew are friendly and helpful and I never saw them even raise their voice (well, except at NinerPilot, Baketech, and me, but that's a different story! ) Reg does promote a tight line on the track to prevent passing on the inside (not allowed).

[Apexstrafer]

Originally Posted by 929Boomer

Ditto---got to be careful or hell try to convert you to scientology---then youre ****ed

When I went to Codes (California Superbike School) school in 1991 ... Keith asked if anyone had heard about Dianetics and one student responded "yeah those people need to make sure to take their insulin!" The whole class was ROTFL That was the end of the Scientology pitch. Ive since seen Keith Code at the Streets of Willow a couple of times and he's a nice guy!

[Apexstrafer]

Originally Posted by Red Rider

. Reg and his crew are friendly and helpful and I never saw them even raise their voice (well, except at NinerPilot, Baketech, and me, but that's a different story! )

Do tell!

[Apexstrafer]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

So one of the instructors stops me and we talk. He asks why I'm not turning faster. I say, the bike stays upset for half the corner when I do. We go out so he can show me you can flick it with all your strength. He does it, tucks the front and barely pulls it back. I think I laughed for the rest of the lap as I followed.

Thats hilarious!

[CBRBob]

Well, I never said to not go. Keep an open mind. Either way, have fun.
BTW, the belittling was in fact screaming in her face, not cool. The countersteering incident was another matter. I can't believe how this has blown up because you cant believe some people didnt like CLass
Relax, go have fun and hopefully you will pic up something!

[CanyonCarver]