non-racing track dayer lap times?

Uncle Jesse · 05-09-2005, 4:44 PM

Just curious to see what kinda times you track junkies are laying down. I've only timed myself at Tally and Jennings, but I am way off even the slowest novice racers on 600's like mine. I don't feel like I'm near my limit, but can't seem to go any faster, either. I guess it's time to see Mr. Bargy.

BTW- I know they're just track days, and there are no trophies, and there's no need to push it, and we are there to just have fun, but damn it, I can't help myself.

abtech · 05-09-2005, 5:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Jesse

Just curious to see what kinda times you track junkies are laying down. I've only timed myself at Tally and Jennings, but I am way off even the slowest novice racers on 600's like mine. I don't feel like I'm near my limit, but can't seem to go any faster, either. I guess it's time to see Mr. Bargy.

BTW- I know they're just track days, and there are no trophies, and there's no need to push it, and we are there to just have fun, but damn it, I can't help myself.

As long as you keep your personal limits in mind, concentrate on the places you know you are having problems and work on each one for an entire session. Some stupid arrogant yellow gnome once said "first work on the places you can go fast, as these can hide full seconds, while the slower places can only gain you tenths".

You can increase your prowess on the track without riding over your head by listening to the control riders and watching what the faster riders are doing. Try only one thing at a time and keep your personal comfort limits in mind.

02FBlade · 05-09-2005, 5:48 PM

The biggest drops in lap times for me was when I upgraded suspension and then focused on these two skills: braking deeper & staying on the gas..or getting on it sooner. If you work on braking late you will stay on the gas longer which in turn drops you times much quicker than say just working on getting on the gas sooner....

as stated work on one thing at a time...and not over your head. I tell my bros if they want to drop alot of time quickly learn to brake hard & deep. Easier said than done but here's want I suggest:

find a good turn...say T3 at Tall (the sharp 180 running cc)...or T13 or T1 at jennings.

Note were you are braking normally.
Start braking harder at the same braking point. *be cautious no one is on your butt!
Once you're confortable braking quick and hard, move you braking point down 5 feet. Do this very gradually because if you riding correctly you have an extra 5 feet of full throttle which means a touch more speed, which means a little harder brake is required.

Once you get were you're braking 10 feet deeper than were you were...and on every corner requiring brakes the times will drop and drop. It also makes passing people much easier.

I was at a STT day at talla once and amost ran over Monte when he parked it in T3. I grabbed the brakes so hard I had the rear up in the air...ended up touching his rear tire a bit with my front. He didn't even feel it and later told me...well, at least now you know how hard you can brake! Yes that was true and I've been braking late ever since.

02FBlade · 05-09-2005, 5:53 PM

Oh, my first Tdays (which were at jennings in 02) I was running 1:34-38s on the stock 954.

02FBlade · 05-09-2005, 5:57 PM

Bargy will teach a few things or over load you with info depending on your knowledge...don't let it distract you and stay focused on one skill at a time while on the track. I'd say all the other race schools are just as good??

Bargy's saying is 'If you aint sliding the tires, you have more grip...therefore you can go faster!' True but easier said than done!!!!