[vsaw]

Hi Crazy Freddie
i just spent over 18000 on a gsxr 750 2008 last friday at crazy freddys in massapequa (after trading in my 2008 ninja 2008(mint perfect condition with first 600 mile service just done)...I got scammed extremely bad and well I need to speak to you personally. Do you have a cell phone or direct number I can call you on?

I have a long story I can post up here, but before I do that I would like to talk with you personally

Thanks
Veneet

[lanbrown]

Then why didn't you read the other threads where he gave his contact information?

Did you read what you signed before you signed?

[Twincam]

Right here is the number he quoted on previous threads - there are loads of threads about this too. Make sure you do a search.

Btw, your mad for exchanging your Qwack for a Suzuki...

516-795-6400 Ext 133.

[ldavis]

sounds like you threw the screws to yourself a little..

[vsaw]

Yeah I know im a new rider and well it seems that place was built to screw people like me...I agree that I got screwed and it was an insane decision on my part....Im impulsive in everything I do....I'll post my story up here soon (its 3 pages worth =P)...

btw any riders in LI that want to well just ride anytime =P

Vsaw

[Twincam]

Crazy Freddy was built to screw people like you? Sounds harsh. I think you have made your mind up about the stores and also Crazy Freddy himself...

TBH Ive heard both good and bad things about him, but he has shown himself to be a worthy member on this site by offering to help out with any issues people may have or think they may face. I have a lot of respect for people who offer one to one help to buyers who have problems (and he is one)... I suggest you get in touch with him and sort your issues out.

IMO I don't want or need to hear your three page story, good luck with sorting it out and hope you enjoy your stay on this site.

Lastly, from all of us.

[Red Rider]

Doesn't anyone read documents before signing anymore? I'm amazed how people get buyer's remorse for something they bought without getting the facts first...

[lanbrown]

Red Rider,

This is why we have lawyers and the need for lengthy contracts. people get excited, don't pay attention and then they look at the papers later and didn't see what they actually signed. Much like the guy on here that signed a partially blank form and didn't get a copy of anything until after.

Maybe they need to have the forms in more than one language?

[madkaw]

why is it that just about every complaint about Crazy Freddie involves someone paying much more than the MSRP? Do his employees hold a gun to your heads? Do they strong arm you into handing over an absurd amount of money?

I have never dealt with this guy nor have I ever met him but I think I would've thrown in the towel a long time ago if I were him. Props to Crazy Freddie for stepping up and helping everyone who had a complaint, and doing it with patience and grace.

[vsaw]

Hi All,
Thanks for responding. I pretty much posted what I did because I thought this is where people look to get
informative information on where to purchase. I mean if I was a more savy buyer I would've looked and read more
before making my buying desicion. I'm sorry if my post irritated people, but again that was not my point. (and no I dont think we need a form in more than one language =P)
I still love my new bike, I love to ride and well I love to make new friends all the time.
twincam - I wont post my 3 page story....lol....might be too long for a post anyway=P thanks for the welcome!
red rider - it was more than just looking at the paperwork. I was screwed out of my warranty for my 250 when I
traded it in ($4000 loss), only got $3000 for the 250 when shouldve gotton more and well I had to go back to
crazy freddie to sign the papers AGAIN after the first time I signed them becuase they made a $5000 mistake on
my bill (which I shouldve been charged in the first place). There were a LOT of mistakes in the process of this
transaction, thus why its 3 pages to explain.
but yeah its all cool, I'll try to call crazy freddie later today and see what he says. Again, sorry if I
irritated people by my post. Just trying to keep people informed.
everyone Ride Safe! =)

[badazz 1K]

Originally Posted by Twincam

Crazy Freddy was built to screw people like you? Sounds harsh. I think you have made your mind up about the stores and also Crazy Freddy himself...

I would think if that were the case he would have posted the story right from the word go instead of trying to talk to him man to man about the problem that he seems to think he has.

Originally Posted by Twincam

TBH Ive heard both good and bad things about him, but he has shown himself to be a worthy member on this site by offering to help out with any issues people may have or think they may face. I have a lot of respect for people who offer one to one help to buyers who have problems (and he is one)... I suggest you get in touch with him and sort your issues out.

isn't that what he was trying to do with his very first post?

Originally Posted by Twincam

IMO I don't want or need to hear your three page story

So as long as they have a good review to write about Crazy Freddy in the Vendor/Seller/Dealer Reviews you'd be happy to read it? If this is his review of the place and his is a bad one, where do you suggest he post it to be read?

Sounds to me like YOU already have your mind all made up, in that case why are you still reading the reviews?


Flipside - If you are pissed because you got railed with interest unfair trade in or paid too much on the bike, all I can say is GOOD!!!!! Take your raping and try to learn from it. Like research what your trade in is worth, shop around for bikes, call some banks tell them your credit score and find out what kind of APR you should be looking at.

[Red Rider]

Originally Posted by vsaw

Hi All,
Thanks for responding. I pretty much posted what I did because I thought this is where people look to get
informative information on where to purchase. I mean if I was a more savy buyer I would've looked and read more
before making my buying desicion. I'm sorry if my post irritated people, but again that was not my point. (and no I dont think we need a form in more than one language =P)
I still love my new bike, I love to ride and well I love to make new friends all the time.
twincam - I wont post my 3 page story....lol....might be too long for a post anyway=P thanks for the welcome!
red rider - it was more than just looking at the paperwork. I was screwed out of my warranty for my 250 when I
traded it in ($4000 loss), only got $3000 for the 250 when shouldve gotton more and well I had to go back to
crazy freddie to sign the papers AGAIN after the first time I signed them becuase they made a $5000 mistake on
my bill (which I shouldve been charged in the first place). There were a LOT of mistakes in the process of this
transaction, thus why its 3 pages to explain.
but yeah its all cool, I'll try to call crazy freddie later today and see what he says. Again, sorry if I
irritated people by my post. Just trying to keep people informed.
everyone Ride Safe! =)

I don't know the particulars of your transaction, but if the documents don't add up or aren't what was discussed verbally, than DON'T SIGN THEM. It's common sense, no matter how anxious you are to buy anything.

FYI, you didn't irritate anyone...enjoy your new bike, regardless of the cost.

[nedro]

Are those numbers right?
$18,000.00 for a middle wieght Japanese bike???

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by vsaw

Yeah I know im a new rider and well it seems that place was built to screw people like me...I agree that I got screwed and it was an insane decision on my part....Im impulsive in everything I do....I'll post my story up here soon (its 3 pages worth =P)...

btw any riders in LI that want to well just ride anytime =P

Vsaw

Grow up or suffer. I don't really need to hear the sob story because it is obvious. You got two bikes in one year so when you were upside down in impulsive move #1 you rolled it into impulsive move #2 and now it is someone elses fault

Guess what if you are giving away money lots of folks will line up to take it. Grow up and learn from an expensive mistake. ANY major purchase or job change can wait until you sleep on it. If the salesperson/employer says you cannot take 24 hours get up and leave, do not listen and keep going not to return.

Good luck on fixing things but the issue is not the 18000 bike but YOUR behavior.

[vsaw]

Wow didnt think my post would cause such a commotion =)
yeah 18000 but that includes a 5 year warranty which was $4000 and change and $1,200 to pay off on my previous bike I traded in. So it came out to $12,000 something. (lost out on the $4000 I payed for the ninja 250 3 months earlier though....if enough people want my whole story I'll post it now...lol)
yeah you know im at the point now where I'm gunna cut my losses and just be happy for the rest of the summer enjoying my bike...MAYBE during the winter I'll spend a lot of sleepless nights thinking about what I did...lol

[vsaw]

damn relax sheepofblue...I am the bigger man and I admit I made a mistake and I ADMIT that im an unpulsive buyer and I even ADMITTED that I didnt research everything but wow...do you always come out so harsh on everyone the first time you talk to them?
All I wanted to ask in the beginning was crazy freddies number and THEN it got into the whole discussion of what exactly happened. I was being the better person and not going into details until talking to him personally.
Maybe I shouldnt have posted here...next time when I have a perfect story i'll post on this website...again wow didnt want to get peoples blood rushing...

fyi...I'll let everyone know how how my discussion with crazy freddie goes btw...

[badazz 1K]

Originally Posted by vsaw

damn relax sheepofblue...I am the bigger man and I admit I made a mistake and I ADMIT that im an unpulsive buyer and I even ADMITTED that I didnt research everything but wow...do you always come out so harsh on everyone the first time you talk to them?
All I wanted to ask in the beginning was crazy freddies number and THEN it got into the whole discussion of what exactly happened. I was being the better person and not going into details until talking to him personally.
Maybe I shouldnt have posted here...next time when I have a perfect story i'll post on this website...again wow didnt want to get peoples blood rushing...

fyi...I'll let everyone know how how my discussion with crazy freddie goes btw...

LOL, yeah thats kinda his style
Just a mean ol sheep from the south tellin it like it is.

[Sideshow bob]

next time when I have a perfect story i'll post on this website...

Nah!!...

Keep posting Vsaw...

Some of us have nothing better to do than wait for a fight to break out

[madkaw]

When you start a thread with the title "Crazy Freddie horrible experience" it sounds like you were implying that this deal was all his fault, not yours. So understand that you're going to get some pretty defensive and downright nasty replies based on the details you gave.

[sheepofblue]

Originally Posted by vsaw

damn relax sheepofblue...I am the bigger man and I admit I made a mistake and I ADMIT that im an unpulsive buyer and I even ADMITTED that I didnt research everything but wow...do you always come out so harsh on everyone the first time you talk to them?
All I wanted to ask in the beginning was crazy freddies number and THEN it got into the whole discussion of what exactly happened. I was being the better person and not going into details until talking to him personally.
Maybe I shouldnt have posted here...next time when I have a perfect story i'll post on this website...again wow didnt want to get peoples blood rushing...

fyi...I'll let everyone know how how my discussion with crazy freddie goes btw...

Yes. I could care less about Freddie as his dealer is a long way from me. I do care about self destructive behavior as my taxes keep going higher to bail those people out. Further I have done stupid and was not helped when anyone enabled my stupid. Admittedly you got overflow from my tax bill getting slammed from the recent mortgage bailout (that was caused by behavior VERY close to yours) My point was not to gore you with a horn but to not sugar coat the fact that YOU were responsible so take it as an expensive lesson and don't repeat it. To say you are impulsive and keep acting that way is lame.

[nedro]

Originally Posted by vsaw

Wow didnt think my post would cause such a commotion =)
yeah 18000 but that includes a 5 year warranty which was $4000 and change and $1,200 to pay off on my previous bike I traded in. So it came out to $12,000 something. (lost out on the $4000 I payed for the ninja 250 3 months earlier though....if enough people want my whole story I'll post it now...lol)
yeah you know im at the point now where I'm gunna cut my losses and just be happy for the rest of the summer enjoying my bike...MAYBE during the winter I'll spend a lot of sleepless nights thinking about what I did...lol

And what did you get for the ninja?
It's starting to look like an average deal now that the emotion has subcided a bit and we are seeing more, "true to fact" numbers.

[vsaw]

Originally Posted by sheepofblue

Yes. I could care less about Freddie as his dealer is a long way from me. I do care about self destructive behavior as my taxes keep going higher to bail those people out. Further I have done stupid and was not helped when anyone enabled my stupid. Admittedly you got overflow from my tax bill getting slammed from the recent mortgage bailout (that was caused by behavior VERY close to yours) My point was not to gore you with a horn but to not sugar coat the fact that YOU were responsible so take it as an expensive lesson and don't repeat it. To say you are impulsive and keep acting that way is lame.

FIRST haha how did it get to the story of mortgages????!?! lol dude I work for a big bank, actually one of the few that is surviving this recent situation...and well I know all of what is going on with the economy now. dont compare what I did to that...that is total insanity. SECOND I NEVER said I couldnt afford it (or the mistake I made). Again it comes back to me just POSTING A QUESTION of his direct number and THEN realizing I should point out to be careful when going there....I agree with the previous post that my heading was harsh...that is my fault. I started an impression of this thread before people got into it even...sorry again for that my mistake. THREE you obviously dont know the many things that were done in these transactions to form SUCH a strong opinion. (it seems you're at the point of running me over on your bike lol)

seriously, I neve thought this could get this far. sheepofblue you need to just relax for a few moments and breath in...

I am SO close to posting my whole situation but I wont for the FACT that I dont want to defame crazy freddy more than already has been done. I need to speak with him personally. I KNOW it seems like I absolutly hate them but they HAVE been nice to me and were receptive throughout my 250 ownership.

I will post more details after I speak with crazy freddie.

Thanks
Vsaw

[Twincam]

Originally Posted by badazz 1K

So as long as they have a good review to write about Crazy Freddy in the Vendor/Seller/Dealer Reviews you'd be happy to read it? If this is his review of the place and his is a bad one, where do you suggest he post it to be read?

Sounds to me like YOU already have your mind all made up, in that case why are you still reading the reviews?

I'm not saying the service some get from Freddy's stores is A1, there has been a lot of bad experiences - so many that it caused a thread to be closed as it was turning into a riot. I'm saying that although there is a lot of bad experiences, Crazy Freddy is a genuine fella who is there to help - so let him.

All stores have their ups and downs don't get me wrong, they all want to sell their bikes for max ££/$$ and we want to buy them for min ££/$$. The problem is when we get sucked in and get over joyed - thats where the carelessness leads to us being blind.

Sorry if I seemed to have aggravated you somewhat... Issues need to be sorted out and sitting on here won't get you anywhere...

Lastly, how comes you have been through three bikes in the last year? (or do I have it wrong???)

Moral of the story... Don't be blind.

[Doomwitha929]

Ya know I have seen several posts about this business on here. I have noticed a couple things. First of all everyone right off the bat assumes the poster is lying, wrong or a tard. Second everyone seems to be of the opinion that just because the poster could have (had they maybe been a bit more street wise) prevented getting screwed that any unethical practices by the company are over looked. All in all pretty ignorant thinking. You may as well say if you leave your house unlocked and it gets robbed the theif is clear of wrong doing. I find it unlikly that so many people have similar bad exp with this company and they are ALL the customers fault. I work in the industry and know first hand that the business practices people are complaning about are pretty much standard operation procedure with many dealers. Sales people are not there to get you the best deal. Their job is to get the most money out of you they can and yes they do this by taking as much advantage of a customer as they can. I know someone will argue this saying Oh no sales people are honest blah blah but anyone with any exp buying cars, bikes etc over their lifetime knows better.
If the sales staff does something unethical or takes advantage of a customer they are wrong no matter how stupid they guy was to let it happen. Most people have no idea about the process in buying a car or bike and pretty much have to take the sales staffs word and advice on everything. If you went to a doctor and he screwed you blind saying you had to take medications you did not need or do treatments you did not need and you let him because you know nothing about medicine are YOU at fault or is he? There are a lot of laws dealers have to follow because of just this type of conduct. In MD if you buy a car you have 3 days to return it for ANY reason for exactly this purpose. I would research your states laws and see if any apply to this situation that may help you. I have had no dealings with CF (and wont) but IF these complaints are true as far as JUST what people are being charged and paying for the bikes then yes someone at that dealer is at fault. Charging someone outragous fees, charges, financing rates and adding in hidden things is underhanded.

[Red Rider]

It's so simple...read the paperwork, if you agree with the numbers than sign it. If not...don't. Everything else is irrelevant.

[sheepofblue]

I am calm, I am all set up and going to the track to ride my paid for bike in the morning. As far as the bank that makes it even scarier as you should understand the process as well or better than most folks. No worries I look into the crystal ball and see this won't be the last time Good luck.

[Maholli]

read the paperwork, if you agree with the numbers than sign it. If not

[lanbrown]

Originally Posted by vsaw

I mean if I was a more savy buyer I would've looked and read more before making my buying desicion. I'm sorry if my post irritated people, but again that was not my point. (and no I dont think we need a form in more than one language =P)

red rider - it was more than just looking at the paperwork. I was screwed out of my warranty for my 250 when I
traded it in ($4000 loss), only got $3000 for the 250 when shouldve gotton more

At least you see the weak link here; you.

A Ninja 250R runs $3,499. So you are complaining about losing $499 on the trade? Hmmm, welll, as soon as it was titled the value of it dropped. Why would someone pay $3,499 for a used one when they can get a new one for the same price? As for the $4,000 warranty. It goes with the bike and, hate to break it to you, you paid too much for it. Who in their right mind would pay $4,000 for a warranty on a product that costs $3,499?

I won't even tell you what the dealer paid for that warranty.

[vsaw]

sorry guys this will be my last post on this website...

I thought I would get constructive critism...I thought I would get someone to say that well thanks for the advise...

Nope....just a bunch of guys with too much of an ego on their shoulders...

Though for those that made me welcome to this website for the few moments throughout, THANKS...I really appreciate it and makes me know that there are still a few good people out there

who says 'im going to my track to ride my bike I just payed for'? or I look into my crystal ball' or even 'its your fault' 'its your fault' 'its your fault', over and over again...I get it jeesh...

learn to relax...you'll all live longer lives

[Red Rider]

You came here looking for a sympathetic shoulder for the deal you got from Crazy Freddy. Keep looking...