cbr 929 American ignition switch (mail to Australia)

bladeracer · 10-02-2008, 9:24 AM

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the nikosal is a form of chrome plating so maybe? It's never ending!!! 10 times as hard as steel, though the rings wear quicker! I'm pretty sure the 929 is steel, 954 nikosal? Though can be bored a ml? I'm getting dizzy.

Both are plated aluminium bores.
Yes, the rings wear faster than the plating - which doesn't seem to wear at all - but they're a heap cheaper than replating the bores :-)
The 929 (74mm) and 954 (75mm) can both be bored 1mm max. I haven't seen inside the 929 cases but it _might_ be possible to bore them further if they're the same thickness as the 954 liners. Boring the 954 to 76mm leaves just 4mm between the pistons.

bladeracer · 10-02-2008, 9:36 AM

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The 954 pistons go straight in? The only thing I'm going to do is some head work on the spare engine.

I'm going to do racetech as well, the standard Showa equipment isn't bad i believe. First thing will be re-springing.

Why don't you email corrillo or the like with the dimensions you need?

I was

good for about 104 around broadford, the only reason I finished infront of Robbie was it was the first time he had headed out, and the old GS needed the carbs cleaned out I think. he retired after the first race. You have to take it. I won in class (period6 over 500cc) It was my first race meet. Say g'day if you see him. He's down to earth as they come. And he's great to watch, he's flyin in his retirement!

Speaking of which I may be able to get my hands on a couple of GSXR 1985 factory Yoshi engines. Interested?

I'm building a 954 engine for next season but if you bore the 929 1mm then the 954 pistons would drop straight in and they're significantly lighter.
I have two spare heads to play with porting now.
I'm 106kg and the springs are working okay although I think I'm pushing about as hard as they'll let me at the moment. The bike though is only 163kg without fuel.
Not interested in Carrillo - over-priced and not required. Even turbos pushing double the power get by fine on OEM rods. I do recommend replacing them with new ones though rather than re-using them as they're cheap enough to outweigh the risk of fatigue failures.
I've swapped mail with Howard's Rods in the US who will make me aluminium rods to my spec which would be way better I reckon.
I will never forget Robbie parking his bike to help Len Willing when Lenny hit the sandbank (I think?) and smashed himself up.
Can you drop me a note about the GSXR engines - lmoss@iprimus.com.au
Depending on spec I could well be interested.

bladeracer · 10-02-2008, 9:43 AM

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What class you running in? Are you able to just wack an 08 cbr1000 engine in it

I could but I wouldn't. I think my eight-year-old, 25,000km engine is more reliable than the new design :-)
I originally built her to run Pro-Superbike but had a big crash in '04 that put me out for three years. Being over five-years old now rules that out so I've gone to town with mods and lightening and I'm just club racing the old girl :-)
Only rules I'm aware of are under 1300cc and normally aspirated - unless it was originally turboed - so I'm keeping an eye out for a GPZ750 Turbo :-)
Being something like 60kg heavier than the GSXR750 though I really don't know if it'd race very well.

password? · 10-02-2008, 9:55 AM

the later r1 rods are 110.5 x 39x20.89w x 17x18w think they are 04 And the 99-01 are 110.5 36x20.72w x 18wx17.

Fz fzr 750-1000 vary... the 88 FZ are 111 long with 18 ml little end. All the 1000's run 110 length as do the earlier FZ and the FZR750, the exup's runs 19 ml littles

What do you reckon my chances of getting an US ignition switch? lol.

password? · 10-02-2008, 10:07 AM

Okay I'll talk to my associate get back to you at your iprimus address. Only useful if you wish to restore a 750 from that superbike eara. As you know all the suzukis are 7-11's..12's whatever. Speaking of which I have one of Mick dohans FZR750's think from world supers, its a pre production frame... Long story, drove to queensland on spec

Basket case but hey:-)

08 CBR dynos stock around 170rw Fn amazing really!!

bladeracer · 10-02-2008, 10:48 AM

Yep, heaps of power...until they go bang :-)
The GSXR "cheaters" were often around 900cc rather than 7/11's running 1052 or 1127 barrels (milled down to the 48.7mm 750 stroke) on the 750 cases. With the '88/'89 model they were then able to drop the 1052 (56mm) or 1127 (and the later 1156 Bandit) (58mm) crank into the 750 cases as well but to keep it looking like the 750 externally they needed _very_ short rods and heavily machined crank weights to pull it off.
Very cool about Mick's bike. Is it a World Superbike or a Marlboro one when he was running with Dowson?
Len Willing's GPZ900R Superbike is still sitting in the back of a shop here since when he crashed it at Wanneroo and smashed his Pelvis.
I bought the internals of an '85 GSXR750 Superbike motor last year but I don't know any of its history. Be nice to think it's one of Robbie's :-)

password? · 10-02-2008, 11:04 AM

these are ex mick hone. I'll find out for sure what is there. let you know. Not sure re: the FZR yet. long story though it's def the real deal. Cheers!

Fastnovice · 10-03-2008, 4:25 PM

If you need to know how to wire a 929 Without the switch, let me know, I have been running a 954 in my Dwarf Car and it doesn't have a key switch. The pink wire is a referece wire to the ECU. The ECU has to see a difference in voltage between the battery voltage and the voltage on the pink wire. Let me know if you need more info

Fastnovice@yahoo.com

password? · 10-04-2008, 6:58 PM

Hi there Fastnovice,

Firstly thanks for the contact, I've emailed you at the yahoo address as well.

I know our (Aust) switch doesn't have the pink wire, and that all three come together ie: the two reds, and the blue. But I don't understand the relationship between the the pink and the others? Are you able to provide a drawing or verbal description of what you have done? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also do you run the hevt valve or have you disconnected it? Cheers,
Ralph

bladeracer · 10-05-2008, 12:51 AM

[quote=password?;724874]the later r1 rods are 110.5 x 39x20.89w x 17x18w think they are 04 And the 99-01 are 110.5 36x20.72w x 18wx17.
Fz fzr 750-1000 vary... the 88 FZ are 111 long with 18 ml little end. All the 1000's run 110 length as do the earlier FZ and the FZR750, the exup's runs 19 ml littles quote]

Hey Ralph,
I was supposed to be racing this weekend but I'm crook so I was putting this info into my spreadsheet :-)
Those 39mm and 36mm bigends are the rod bore or the crankpin size?
What's the crankpin size of the FZ750, FZR750, FZR1000 and FZ1?

While the vast majority of bigends I've found run 1.5mm shells it's worth remembering a few run thinner shells (F3 shells are 1.25mm - 34mmODx31.5mmID) and some might run thicker - although I haven't found any yet.
There are also companies that will custom make bearing shells to suit whatever size you want.

password? · 10-08-2008, 6:07 AM

Sorry to hear you missed a days racing Larry, but you know what they say ... live to fight another day

The rod dimensions I gave you I think are for the same rod taking into account 1.5 ml bearing shell. so its only the early R1. the rod I measured ie: 36ml was with the shells in. As far as I know all the bigends are the same on the FZ-FZR series, up to what appears to be the R! 36ml or there abouts.

Had a very instructive email from Fastnovice, who provided a wiring diagram for a honda cbr929 race engine, that was put together by a bored Honda race engineer. Attached is our corrospondence. Thanks a million Fastnovice... People like you make the world go round... Cheers Bill

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"If you aren't going to use the key switch, or in you case, there is no pink wire, you can get around it by using a zener diode... Basically, the pink wire is for anti theft... The ECU has to see a differnece in voltage from the battery and the pink wire... This voltage drop has to be approx 4 volts. So a 3.9V zener diode will work perfectly... I looked up zener diodes on the net and it is pretty basic. If you wire a zener diode backwards, it will break down at a certain voltage, 3.9V in our case. So the voltage on one side of the diode (The battery side) will be 12V and the other side of the diode will be 8.1V... With the motor starts and the battery voltage goes to 13V or 14V then the other side of the diode will be 9.1V and 10.1V respectively... This is meant to keep someone from hot wiring a bike by simpily bypassing the ignition switch.

I have sent you both wiring Diagrams that I have... One is a complete wiring diagram and the other is the minimal diagram that we use on our motors... On a racebike the minimal diagram should work as well... Just note that all the kill switches, the tip over switch and clutch to start permissives are gone... You might have to check with your group, our roadracing group required a working kill switch...

If you have any questions, feel free to ask...

Thanks,
Bill

No, Thankyou Bill

white954 · 10-08-2008, 8:59 AM

Just had to say - this was an awesome pissing contest.

I have hit the Island on my 954 turbo blade - and it kicks ass over my 600rr.
But I love Broadford at 110% on the 600. WA is nice, I was based there for 2 years, and my stepbrother lives there (in MtGambier!!!haha) - shame he can't ride for ****!!!! Riding is better in Melb.

I think the original question was about the ignition switch - and I am of little use there - but 2 of my bikes are re-built write offs, and one was fitted with a toggle by the boys at MotoH when they got it running for me.........

You're posts were nothing if not entertaining.

bladeracer · 10-08-2008, 9:11 AM

Hmmm...I have no idea what it is you're referring to :-)
Are you sure you're responding to the correct thread?
And, Mount Gambier is in South Australia...
A whole bunch of my bikes I've built from wrecks - only way to go I reckon :-)
Did you turbo the 954 yourself?
Got any pics of the install?

white954 · 10-08-2008, 9:20 AM

Sorry - the WA reference was to how crap it is for riding compared to the traffic cutting / cop ditching of melb. I'm mainly a commuter :-(.

Wish I did it myself..... From now on. I'm fitting out my garage as we type....

bladeracer · 10-08-2008, 1:48 PM

I think you must've missed the fun roads when you were here then :-)
I'm working on my workshop currently as well. 110m2 seemed big enough, until I filled it with cars and bikes!
I have a turbo to put on one of my bikes one day but they won't let me race with it so I keep putting it off.

password? · 10-09-2008, 8:10 AM

God Larry, is it you or me that attracts the arse whites

Out of this I've made an Aussie friend, who I'll more than likely head out with at some stage... Had contact with a couple of decent guys from the US. One who answered the post in succinct form, ie: a PDF diagram of a race harness for the US loom. Fastnovice goes onto my Christmas card list, and every time the 929 fires up, my joy will no doubt transfer into good Karma sent his way!

So the question is answered folks; and Larry, WSB spec FZR as it has never been complienced (no holes) and it is pre-production in that the ram air holes in the frame are absent. I'll send you a copy of the drawing. Cheers!

bladeracer · 10-09-2008, 9:02 AM

I seem to attract my fair share :-)
Awesome on the FZR.
Is it hidden away or can you get some nice clear photos of the best bits ;-)
Jamie Whithams Isle of Man GSXR750R was floating around here in Perth a few years ago - registered. Frame number 17 from memory. The guy (a South African fellow from memory) was at the team's office and saw it there and made them an offer they couldn't resist :-)