[password?]

Hi all, looking for a cbr 929 ignition switch, key not important though okay, for track bike with US loom. Cheap as possible paypal okay??? Mail to Melbourne Australia. Cheers.

[bladeracer]

Is there a difference in the switches?
For a racebike why don't you bypass the ignition switch with a toggle?

[password?]

Yes, Aust 3 wires American 4 Not sure what and how it all works. No resistors or such in the switch I would gather based on what you are saying? How did you wire it?

Larry, why the hell don't you live in melbourne Hey! Only watched you race cam a while ago.... You know you can go faster! sorry to hear about your bud. I've just had both of my hips replaced, but f### it I'm getting back into it next season.

[bladeracer]

Hmmm...I notice the US one has the extra pink wire and I don't know what that's for. Parking lights maybe?
I cut into the wires to the relay and mounted a toggle on the left bar. On my GSXR I had the toggle on the side of the tray under my right leg and I've found I prefer it down there.
I don't live in Melbourne because I've been there :-)
If you'd been to Perth you probably wouldn't live in Melbourne either :-)
Have you ridden MacNamara Park in Mount Gambier yet? Awesome circuit for bikes.

[lanbrown]

No parking lightts in the US; at least on the Honda's that is.

[password?]

The pink and grey wire goes to the ecu on the US model. I dont want to fry the ecu by doing something stupid. If I get an ignition I'll be able to work it out. Or perhaps I will post the question here in another forum? No, never been to Mt Gambier. Though as you know we have Winton, broadford, and Phillip Island within two hrs of Melb, so pretty spoilt in that regard. Have raced at all of the above.

So you basically wired the ignition to on and activate it via the soliniod? Ideally, I wish to just run the kill switch as ignition, while maintain the starter, but loose the generator and run total loss system.

Never been to Perth, though sounds great, arse end of the world though

[bladeracer]

I raced at Broadford in '92 and plan to go back sometime.
Did Philip Island and wasn't impressed so I won't bother again - at least not until I have a turbo on one of my bikes. It has a few nice bits but there are loooong boring bits in between them.
Winton I want to ride one day.

[password?]

I love em all. Broadford is great, as is winton both technical. You can do winton friday and broadford Saturday on some weekends. The island is long and fast, and expensive! Though fun, and safe... and fast yes. you need long cogs. Come on you had to enjoy riding it! If you come over we could head out together. That is if I get this fn thing running, I have a FZ750 that I raced in period 6 over 500cc also, plus my TL1000 and others so should be okay You gonna drive over????

[macca9540]

Originally Posted by bladeracer

Have you ridden MacNamara Park in Mount Gambier yet? Awesome circuit for bikes.

Got to be a great place that MacNamara Park. (even if it's spelt wrong )

[bladeracer]

I really didn't enjoy the Island at all as I prefer tight, bumpy turns rather than long smooth straights. Rain is a bonus. I love Southern Loop the way the camber works and Siberia up to Lukey is pretty cool. MG doesn't work for me at all as the braking is very difficult down there due to my very messed up right hand. Not enough to ruin it for me but the rest of the circuit just bores me to tears. It's a real shame as I had big plans for the place since my girlfriend's family have a holiday home in Cowes and live in Traralgon but when I'm there I'd much rather ride across to MacPark or up to Malalla than down to Philip Island. It certainly is fast but I grew out of fast many years ago :-)
I went to MacPark because I was told it was so bumpy as to be almost unrideable and it always rains. Riding down during the night it rained most of the way but cleared by 0800, and then I discovered I was doing the first track day since they'd re-surfaced it over the break!!!!
Luckily, it may have been re-surfaced compared to what they were used to but it was still bumpy enough to get the bike working the way I like it and there's probably less than 5% of the lap where you're vertical so there's no nap time like the Island :-) They even used some of my video on their website. Collie here is similar to MacPark I think but Wanneroo has two fairly long straights.
Usually we drive across with a couple of bikes on a trailer but I've also put the road gear on and ridden over. My brothers are in Adelaide so Malalla and MacPark also work easily for me.
The FZ is a great bike and we have one racing historics here.
We're actually discussing where we might go later this year to catch a couple of circuits so I'll let you know if I'm over that way.

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by macca9540

Got to be a great place that MacNamara Park. (even if it's spelt wrong )

Yes, but as I like to say, what's in a name? That which we call a rose
by any other name would smell as sweet. We could even call it Melbourne but it'd still be a fun place to ride :-)

[password?]

Go easy McCa9540

Sure Larry, would be a pleasure to head out with you. Might have more questions for you so will add you to my buddy list. I've posted for more info on US race wiring in the main forum, so we will see what happens? Switch is anyone has one key or no key! or info? Be safe....

[password?]

Here's the old girl 118 rwhp its going to be upgraded to 911cc with R1 rods and pistons. Projection are for around 144-150 rw

Cheers!

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g4...750-pic1-1.jpg

[bladeracer]

118hp is excellent out of the old girl. That's 12hp more than my '98 GSXR750 had when it was stock :-)
150hp is going to be a big job even with the extra capacity. R1 internals would be a big improvement. Are the engines at all related to the early R1's?
I'm building a bitza GSXR motor for my '85 750. Bits right up to last years Bandit 1200 and the 750 Katana fit into the old oil-coolers so they're great for messing about with mechanically.

[password?]

Same thing with the Yamaha parts bin! Up until about 04 the R1 was still 5 valve so the true relationship stopped there. The FZ as was the GSXR were really the first of the true superbikes, though I had a 1100 81 Katana, and I reckon that was the turning point. Wish I still had it

So yes, big ends the same but conrod bolts need to be reversed and machined to clear the crank-cases. Wiseco 1 ml over pistons fit the standard early fzr1000 block but the cylinder block needs to be decked. Simple! Calculations on output are based simply on CCperHP I'm adding cams and FCR flatslides as well. The reality is a very over square engine that could easily go over 150rw. R1 rods wiegh 60 grams less each. So it will be interesting.

You just have to research and purchase, to truely find out... eBay will break me one day

One bike I am going to add to the collection is a 1985 GSXR oiler. Collectable!
Have a close look at my TL what do you see It seems we both like to muck around!

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g45/_spook_/matoy.jpg

[password?]

Originally Posted by lanbrown

No parking lightts in the US; at least on the Honda's that is.

Hey Ian, hope thats not you with the mono-brow, cause if it is buddy, someone has their hand up your ass! And good luck over there. Everything will work out. Glad you still have your sense of humour. Cheers bro

[bladeracer]

So, do R6/7&1 heads and cranks drop onto the old FZ cases?
I agree about the FZ and GSXR. The GPX and VFR were just road bikes pressed into the role although still fairly successfully.
I loved the Kat - until I rode one :-)
I still can't fathom how Robbie Phillis managed to race the big pigs :-)
Can you drop the FZR crank into the cases so you won't have to deck the block?
You can drop the Bandit block onto the 750 cases but you need to deck it 12mm which is a pretty big milling job - aluminium chips all over the workshop :-)
Have you looked at custom rods to avoid decking the block?
You're right about the buying and measuring. I have a shed _full_ of various engine bits from all the GSXR's, RF9, GSX750F, Bandit12 and Busa without even starting on the Honda stuff :-)
I also have three digital scales (500gms, 5kg and 30kg) set up for weight comparison of parts :-)
I'm taking a 954 crank in next week to see what I can get done locally as I want to stroke it 4mm for another engine I'm building. The 954 wrist pin is only 0.8mm below the oil ring so it's not possible to run custom drilled pistons, and the top ring is only 1.5mm below the deck so I can't run a 2mm head gasket either. Custom rods 2mm shorter are really the only practical option I think for stroking the 929/954 but I do still have more OEM rods to measure up yet :-)
I'm not very familair with the TL's but yours looks all stock to me?.

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Dunno... But not sure about the R7 maybe. Almost all of the FZ to thunderace stuff interchanges. Not withstanding fettling. only the around 01 rl rods and the one over pistons are of use as as I mentioned the 04 onward are 4 valve, so the 5 valve heads would not work. You would have to resize the R1 rods 1 ml to fit up oversize 1025 genesis pistons. I'm looking at corrillos to do this. Rod lengths vary a ml between the models and exup onwards run a shorter rod with a larger small end. Decking the block is the only way to go IMO But really its boring!

Shorter rods rob hp. Suspension upgrades are where money will be spent on my blade... ONCE I GET IT GOING.....

I actually raced against Robbie at broadford... Ha. He's better these days...

Still on the Mick Hone GSX1000 that I think he won the australian title on years ago. He does under 1 minute around broadford now.... Course record. Don't think I could win now his bike is running properly

[bladeracer]

Rod length is important for sure but it's a huge generalisation to say short rods rob power. The 954 rod is 104mm long, 21.7mm wide, 17mm wrist pin and 36mm bigend. Rod ratio at 1.926:1 is already at the higher end. Honda minimised the compression height of the pistons to maximise rod length - the pistons are gorgeous :-) Shortening the rod 2mm to run a 4mm longer stroke does bring it down to 1.793:1 but is still higher than what would generally be considered a short rod. The shorter rod does create more side thrust but any loss of power is more than offset by the increased capacity, torque and spin-up due to the lighter conrod. Because the piston dwells at the top of the stroke for longer during combustion it does alter the engine characteristics as well. The extra stroke also has a cost in friction due to having to push the piston rings that much further up and down the bores. The ideal is to find an OEM rod of 102mm with 17mm pin and 32mm bigend to negate having to build the crank pins back up to 36mm.
I haven't measured everything up yet but 4mm is also going to require machining some metal off the crank weights to clear the pin bosses. The 954 has 6mm of meat between the bores which is more than I'd expected (I've seen at least one magazine review claim just 3mm) so I may well bore it 1mm over as well. Stroking it 4mm with stock bores makes it 1024cc. Boring it 1mm only requires 2mm on the stroke to get 1016cc but might allow the stock rod length with just machining the valve pockets in the piston and a thicker head gasket. 4mm longer and 1mm wider though makes it 1052cc which would be especially nice :-)
As for suspension, mine is still all original although I have a full set of RaceTech valve kits for it. I'll get around to fitting them one day :-)
We're holding the National Historic Titles here in November so Robbie might even be here for that :-)
I'm hoping to have my GSXR ready for it as well but probably all original as I have too many other things to do before then.

[dicknose]

Its not a stolen bike thats had the immobilser removed?

[bladeracer]

Possibly.
Many race bikes are bought via auction because they're statutory write-off's or stolen recovered. Often stolen bikes don't come with keys which is a pain on immobilised bikes - which still get stolen regularly. The HISS is more annoying and expensive for legitimate owners than thieves.

[bladeracer]

Can you let me know the weight and dimensions of the R1 rods so I can add them to my database?

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Yeah, as if, dicknose Thats why I've all of told you who I am. Ralph Nicholls, I was a member of sandrigham racing club prior to having my hips replaced. I bought it (the cbr) from my good mate bruce at yamwreck in Melbourne. He had bought it at auction to repair, but while it was at his painters, the house where he worked (the painter) caught fire burning to the ground. He got the roller out, but everything off it, including the key was inside, burnt. Now lets think DICKNOSE $1000 for ecu and key from vic wreckers, or $150 on ebay motors for a non hiss loom and ecu from the US. I also bought a set of cases from the US as the ones on the bike were broken... but picked up a second hand engine with only 4000 klm on it... so plenty of spares! there is a guy over your way Larry that can burn a new code into the old ecu but that was $500. Work it out for your self dicknose

I'll look up the R1 rod as soon as my desk top is reloaded, and no its not stolen either. The rods are 60 grams lighter than the FZ750 that's a hell of a saving in itself. Plus you have stronger newer engineering etc. The little end is 1 ml smaller, you can resize or go with the R1 wiseco 1 over. I'm going to probably resize as I have a set of new Wiseco 1025 pistons etc, but I'll seek advise on that. Something I learnt last week is that you run rings designed for nikosal bore in cast iron, same ring! opens up possibilities.

Coming down to the GP dicknose.... I reckon I owe you a kick in the balls

[password?]

Sorry Larry missed your earlier post. I got distracted. The R1 rods from memory are 111.5ml

What class you running in? Are you able to just wack an 08 cbr1000 engine in it Good knows why they built it 929, I love it as it is so light, can't wait to get on it. How do they handle? I've heard well...

The 954 pistons go straight in? The only thing I'm going to do is some head work on the spare engine. I think this one is a keeper, I've spent too much on it already. And I have enough bits to last forever.

I'm going to do racetech as well, the standard Showa equipment isn't bad i believe. First thing will be re-springing.

Why don't you email corrillo or the like with the dimensions you need? they may be able to tell you if they are available... and which bike they suit

I was good for about 104 around broadford, the only reason I finished infront of Robbie was it was the first time he had headed out, and the old GS needed the carbs cleaned out I think. he retired after the first race. You have to take it. I won in class (period6 over 500cc) It was my first race meet. Say g'day if you see him. He's down to earth as they come. And he's great to watch, he's flyin in his retirement!

Speaking of which I may be able to get my hands on a couple of GSXR 1985 factory Yoshi engines. Interested?

[bladeracer]

Originally Posted by password?

there is a guy over your way Larry that can burn a new code into the old ecu but that was $500.

This is news to me. I'm not aware of anybody anywhere in the world that can make a HISS ECU recognise a key without having a key to start with.
Do you have contact details?