[deez]

Been saying this for 6 months.

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/s...6/daily14.html

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5696874/

I like how Forbes uses the word 'Vaunted'

[BDA116]

Hmmmm, a couple interesting links...
http://www.forbes.com/2004/05/05/04bestplacesland.html
http://www.forbes.com/static_html/be...4/mapFLA.shtml

[Holeshot]

Originally Posted by booth23

Been saying this for 6 months.

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/s...6/daily14.html

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5696874/

I like how Forbes uses the word 'Vaunted'

Precisly why I'd never live in the metro area...

[deez]

Originally Posted by Holeshot

Precisly why I'd never live in the metro area...

True dat, time to move far, far away, in a galaxy far far away

[Holeshot]

Originally Posted by booth23

True dat, time to move far, far away, in a galaxy far far away

Having just come back from doing some work in downtown San Francisco last week.. I'm thinking that Seattle might actaully be a weirder city! and have fewer Starbucks per square mile

[sacto929]

Booth, Sacramento's looking pretty good on that list....

[Chain]

So does it cost wheelbarrows of money just to afford a decent 1-bedroom apartment, or what?

[Holeshot]

Seattle and surrounding area are pretty nutty price wise.

Really Sac is now going that direction. Ever expanding housing tracts as far as the eye can see and compounding traffic problems. My pal's house out in Roseville has almost doubled in price since he bought it less than 4 years ago! It's a cackerjack on a 6000' lot! F-that chit....

I'm not making much money on my house but having more than an acre of landscaped property and a decend sized 6 bedroom house at just a hair above the state's median price makes me pretty happy and that's impossible to equate to a monetary value. Plus no state income tax!

I lived in Sac for three years. Nothing personal man but after enduring the blazing summers (almost too hot to ride) and the constant brown smoke haze from the ever presence wild fires and of course the flash-flooding that seems to happen every year..... you can keep it! Those sorts of things typically do not show up on the bean-counter's spread sheets. Oh and how they could possibly rate Sac high for business with the pathetic excuse for an airport is WAY beyond me! It's worse than the airports in most of the turd-world countries I've visted.

Oh.. then there is the traffic on the I-5, I-80, and Hwy50 corridors. Man.. the only way to get around there is on a bike. Upside is you guys get to lane split YOU FREAKING LUCKY BASTAGES!!!

<-- my 4 year paroll from CA is just about up, they can't drag me back now!!!!

[Holeshot]

Originally Posted by Chain

So does it cost wheelbarrows of money just to afford a decent 1-bedroom apartment, or what?

How about some of these as examples for 1-2 bedroom apartments:

$800 -> $1400

$800 -> $2800

up to $4900

Yeah. sign me up right now..

[sacto929]

Holeshot, it's all what you're used to.... I grew up here, so the heat, etc. doesn't bother me, I thought the same about Redlands when I went to school there.... You are totally right about the housing market. My wife and I like to go through the model homes for design ideas and there's no shortage of them. The problem is that they're building them in flood plains, and other places where there naturally aren't trees, so they're giong to be brutalized by the sun, waste electricity on AC when no ones home, etc. Oh, and $450K for a 3000 sq. ft. house on 1/8th acre is nuts!

I agree on the traffic, but you have to plan around it. I bought my house counter-commute to the rush on 50. Even better is that it's only 15 miles door-to-door via the bike trail. There's very little traffic now, and there'll be even less over the next 5-6 months.

[Holeshot]

Originally Posted by sacto929

Booth, Sacramento's looking pretty good on that list....

Oh good gawd. 3 years in Sacto was barely mor than I could take. If ride like a squid in shorts and thongs then it rocks but man.. summers at over 110F is was more than I could stand wearing full gear and you MUST go at least 40 miles to get to anything resembling a curved road unless you want to blast along the river and the pavement and traffic make it WAY lame.

Let me put it this way. Seattle is VASTLY superior to Sac... although there are a lot of really loose chics at the State college there..

[SomeStrangeGuy]

it took you 3 months to come up with that?

[deez]

Originally Posted by Holeshot

Oh good gawd. 3 years in Sacto was barely mor than I could take. If ride like a squid in shorts and thongs then it rocks but man.. summers at over 110F is was more than I could stand wearing full gear and you MUST go at least 40 miles to get to anything resembling a curved road unless you want to blast along the river and the pavement and traffic make it WAY lame.

Let me put it this way. Seattle is VASTLY superior to Sac... although there are a lot of really loose chics at the State college there..

Yeah right. In the Seattle area, you get 2 months good riding weather. And 2 months of roll the dice weather. The rest of the year, forget it. It might as well snow 1/2 the year here, wouldn't make any difference.

[Bacchus]

Originally Posted by Holeshot

How about some of these as examples for 1-2 bedroom apartments:

$800 -> $1400

$800 -> $2800

up to $4900

Yeah. sign me up right now..

Holy shiat, batman!

[Holeshot]

Originally Posted by deez

Yeah right. In the Seattle area, you get 2 months good riding weather. And 2 months of roll the dice weather. The rest of the year, forget it. It might as well snow 1/2 the year here, wouldn't make any difference.

All I'm saying is I've lived in both places for nearly the same amount of time. And a fleet of Semi's could not drag me back to Sac...


I'll grant you that it's a hell of a lot warmer but between the smoke of the summer fires, heat and the monssoons, traffic and it as more than I could take. Upside is you'll be able to legally lane split like a wild-azzed mo-fo. Which is good because it's a skill that's required around there.

If you are into skiing then it's pretty good by CA standards since the good slopes are withing a 2 hour drive (typically) and once you *get* to the mountains there are plenty of sweet roads to blast around on but they are best in the spring and fall when there are not so many tourists.

Also, make sure you rent/buy a place that's on an elevated piece of land. things tend to flood around there in during the thaw and the fall.

The only gripe I have with the weather here is that some of the best highways like Windy, Johnston and North Cascades close up around November and some do not re-open until June (depending on snow-pack).

[deez]

It takes me at least an hour, to get to any kind of decent road. Add to that how little time you get to actually ride. Then factor in the cost of real estate, and the fact that this is the most overpriced city in the United States. Ahh nevermind, my bags are packed, just waiting on time right now Back to affordable living costs, nearly year round riding, large parking spaces, excellent highway system, yippee kiyeah mother****ers

[Bacchus]

Originally Posted by deez

It takes me at least an hour, to get to any kind of decent road. Add to that how little time you get to actually ride. Then factor in the cost of real estate, and the fact that this is the most overpriced city in the United States. Ahh nevermind, my bags are packed, just waiting on time right now Back to affordable living costs, nearly year round riding, large parking spaces, excellent highway system, yippee kiyeah mother****ers

I'm thinking I warned you about Seattle way back when you first posted about moving there... Anyway, glad you're getting out of there soon!

[deez]

Originally Posted by Bacchus

I'm thinking I warned you about Seattle way back when you first posted about moving there... Anyway, glad you're getting out of there soon!

I hope so, the sooner the better.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by Bacchus

Holy shiat, batman!

In 2000, that $1400 apartment would've been about $3k/mo down here. And you would've been on a waiting list to get it.

Now that kind of place would be about $1.6-2k/mo, and they might even give you a free month with a one year lease.

The California Bubble

[CBR929RE]

Originally Posted by Holeshot

Having just come back from doing some work in downtown San Francisco last week.. I'm thinking that Seattle might actaully be a weirder city! and have fewer Starbucks per square mile

Deez just stay away from LA. they have over 100 Starbucks in the city.

[BDA116]

It just cracks me up to see those prices. I mean, how can someone LIVE in something that small? 650sq.ft.? My front yard is bigger than that - my back yard almost twice that. How about 900 sq.ft.? ****, I've never lived somewhere that small, and wouldn't give two cents for it. In fact, I wouldn't live there if I were paid to.


Just had to have a little fun is all.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by BDA116

It just cracks me up to see those prices. I mean, how can someone LIVE in something that small? 650sq.ft.? My front yard is bigger than that - my back yard almost twice that. How about 900 sq.ft.? ****, I've never lived somewhere that small, and wouldn't give two cents for it. In fact, I wouldn't live there if I were paid to.

Much easier to keep the house clean.

[BDA116]

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Much easier to keep the house clean.

That's true, the heating and electric bills would be miniscule as well.

[luvtolean]

Originally Posted by BDA116

That's true, the heating and electric bills would be miniscule as well.

Maybe. Except for the fact Californians pay more for energy than anyone else too.