[UncleJesse954]

Originally Posted by Have Blue

As frequently said, it isnt what you see that is going to get you. Its what you dont see.

Blue

so keep an eye peeled for the big white tractor trailors. they can be tricky to spot. even trickier to pass. j/k but seriously though. yikes. i don't wanna be that guy.

[skarz]

[quote=soupnazi;620539]There's risk and there's calculated risk. Sure I speed though it's circumstantial.

Let's depict the scene.

Abandoned freeway at 1am in the morning. No traffic to speak of with the exception of a large truck. Rider not just speeding, but excessively speeding . Truck becomes target of inexperienced rider view and a twist of the throttle sends him catapulting into the rear of a truck at such speed that even though the truck was moving away at 60mph he still managed to embed his head into the trailer.

That's not just a result of speeding. That's inexperience and no calculation of risk. He didn't set out to kill himself but that doesn't NOT make him a moron for not taking better care of himself.

Would you, as a person capable of rational thought (well I hope you are), go out and buy a top fuel dragster and with no experience with it whatsoever attempt to set a land speed record?

If you died would people question your intentions or perhaps your a]

[UncleJesse954]

Originally Posted by skarz

to all you guys calling him names for speedin just shut the hell up you know godamn well if you ride a sportbike YOU SPEED 2 SO DONT EVEN ACT LIKE YOU DONT ,im sure he didnt set out to kill himself , and if you dont speed on the road get a goldwing for the streets

yes and that goes for wheelies also. everybody here bags on people for doing wheelies. fireblades do the best. when you start putting people down for doing wheelies on a motorcycle, you're just getting old. haha. they should call them oldwings.

[bettingpython]

Ok I am really tired of seeing this one rehashed when their was already a thread for it.

I did not know him personally but a good friend of mine did. He had less than a weeks riding experience when this happened.
He chose to ride with a peer group that was made up of young people and inexperienced riders, he never made it long enough to even get around some of the older more experienced riders at local hang outs and get togethers.
The group he chose to rocket out in front of was already in excess of the speed limit.
This is no abandoned freeway it always has traffic on it just a lot less at 1am.
Every new rider starts out with a empty bag of skill and a full bag of luck, the goal is to fill your bag of skill before your bag of luck empties out. Unfortunately his luck ran out first.

To those of you who wish to turn this into a fight I ask you these questions.

How would you feel if a family member or loved one were to come across a thread concerning a mistake you made when riding with people fighting arguing and calling you names? Do you want to be remebered in such a manner?

As I have nothing worthwhile to further contribute to this thread thank you for taking a moment to consider what I have written.

R.I.P.

[rokitt51]

Poor guy and his family. I am guilty of speeding on Public roads, but that is mainly 2 in the morning and yadda yadda yadda. I just dont understand how you run into a big a$$ truck, how can you not avoid that?

Originally Posted by SPY

****WARNING PICTURES FOLLOW****


Hope its not a repost...

Really dont know what to say about these kind of riders... Why ?? Why go that fast on public streets.

At least this squid killed himself rather some innocent family.



Motorcyclist Killed After High-Speed Crash Overnight Tuesday April 17, 2007 11:07am Posted By: Kevin King

Tulsa - A Broken Arrow man was killed early Tuesday morning after a motorcycle accident on Highway 169 near 81st Street.

Witnesses say the cyclist was going faster than 100 miles per hour when he crashed into the back of a semi truck between 81st and 91st Street at about one o'clock Tuesday morning.

Investigators say evidence shows the cyclist was going about 120 miles per hour at the time of the impact. It took the truck driver more than a quarter of a mile to come to a stop. When he did, he stepped out of his rig and found the motorcyclist dead at the back of the truck.

"The truck driver was not hurt," says Captain Matt Kirkland. "He said that the impact was so strong that he thought he was hit from behind by another truck."

Officers said there was no indication that drugs or alcohol played a factor in the accident.

[SamoanzRR]

looks like he might have "fixated" on the truck and tracked right into it. sad to see though.

[slowride]

all this amounts to is that this is a tragic accident and he paid the ultimate price. i dont care how careful or experiennced you are, we are all riding on luck when riding on the street. we all know the risks that can happen every time we climb onto the seat.

[Have Blue]

Its extremely rare that luck has anything to do with it.

Blue

Originally Posted by slowride

all this amounts to is that this is a tragic accident and he paid the ultimate price. i dont care how careful or experiennced you are, we are all riding on luck when riding on the street. we all know the risks that can happen every time we climb onto the seat.

[ConqSoft]

Originally Posted by slowride

all this amounts to is that this is a tragic accident and he paid the ultimate price. i dont care how careful or experiennced you are, we are all riding on luck when riding on the street. we all know the risks that can happen every time we climb onto the seat.

I don't see anything tragic about it. Stupid hurts. Luck has nothing to do with it.

[ratchetman]

Originally Posted by ConqSoft

I don't see anything tragic about it. Stupid hurts. Luck has nothing to do with it.

Is it not tragic that some are so stupid?

I'm of two minds on this one. It's sad that someones loved one is gone, on one hand. On the other part of me thinks "dumb ass!"

There was a similar incident on my way to work a few weeks ago. 20 year old rides 150 in a 50 right into the side of a car. Very nice floral memorial on the side of the road.

[christopherdrc]

THIS is common sense, if you are riding at night time= limited vision
If you are riding at night time wearing a heavily tinted day visor -NO VISION.
And then you add big speeding to the mix.
He took the gamble and rolled the dice, and thank god he didn't take anyone else with him. Kinda sucks for the trucker/his family and loved ones, and the clean up crews though!

[LuckyLightning]

Don't know what to say about this, it's terribly sad and too common. Perhaps further education should be required for new riders...even class endorsements for varying cc's, A for 1000cc and above, B for 750cc and under, etc. Leaving it up to new riders to educate themselves obviosly isn't working and the riding community can only do so much. Very sad. <--- This is what we need to do in order to get folks educated.

I wonder if we could participate in something through fireblades? just a thought.

[dj_punee]

look at it however you people want, the poor kid made a mistake and now he is dead, real dead. That doesn't make him a hero or a moron, it makes him a tragedy

[Ol' Gravy Leg]

1 week?! oh, noes...

[bettingpython]

Originally Posted by Ol' Gravy Leg

1 week?! oh, noes...

Yes less than a week

[Bock919]

Personally, I don't understand how anyone can consider him a hero. Heroes overcome fear to do amazing things to help others. This guy just plowed into a big friggin' truck and killed himself. Yeah, I feel bad for his family, and it sucks that we lost another rider, but no way is this guy up for a medal of any kind for nearly decapitating himself. There may be a fine line between bravery and stupidity, but this guy definitely long jumped his way over it. As for learning from his mistake, not gonna happen. All this did is reinforce my already low opinion of so many new riders on race replicas. Giant brass balls will never be a substitute for common sense, good judgment and experience when it comes to survival.

[ratchetman]

Originally Posted by Bock919

it sucks that we lost another rider,

guys like him should not ride

[Bock919]

Originally Posted by ratchetman

guys like him should not ride

Yeah...I'm going to have a hard time disagreeing with you on that.

[surophoto]

DAMN!!!
that's a great picture, to show to the stupid that is making a law here in Puerto Rico about, riding always with a helmet, boots, gloves, jacket... There are some cases they won't help you live..

[Have Blue]

Probably wont.

Blue

Originally Posted by ratchetman

guys like him should not ride

[slickwill]

Originally Posted by ratchetman

guys like him should not ride

[Renegade929]

you guys are some cold mofo's...... .....i'm not going to start ragging on a dead sport bike rider that just had to have his head pulled out of the back of a semi.......no need to call him a 'moron' and other names

[giza]

Originally Posted by bettingpython

Ok I am really tired of seeing this one rehashed when their was already a thread for it.

I did not know him personally but a good friend of mine did. He had less than a weeks riding experience when this happened.
He chose to ride with a peer group that was made up of young people and inexperienced riders, he never made it long enough to even get around some of the older more experienced riders at local hang outs and get togethers.
The group he chose to rocket out in front of was already in excess of the speed limit.
This is no abandoned freeway it always has traffic on it just a lot less at 1am.
Every new rider starts out with a empty bag of skill and a full bag of luck, the goal is to fill your bag of skill before your bag of luck empties out. Unfortunately his luck ran out first.

To those of you who wish to turn this into a fight I ask you these questions.

How would you feel if a family member or loved one were to come across a thread concerning a mistake you made when riding with people fighting arguing and calling you names? Do you want to be remebered in such a manner?

As I have nothing worthwhile to further contribute to this thread thank you for taking a moment to consider what I have written.

R.I.P.

Good call.
Let this kid R.I.P.
He paid with his life,made an unexperienced mistake and now is gone, unable to defend his actions.
Let every new(and old) rider realise we are not invinsible.
Stupid hurts.
Maybe start a new thread on "stupid things we do/or have done on our bikes"

ps.teach your newbie riders to ride within there limits,and dont try and compare yourself with someone with a bigger bike and more experience.

[FREAKENFAST]

That just plain out flat WRONG!!!
Have some respect for the person in the accident, and there family members.
What if that was someones brother or something like that.
I understand that is makes riders more aware.

BUT F**K HAVE SOME RESPECT AND REMOVE THE PICS.
LET THE DEAD RIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[loadedthorn]

Originally Posted by FREAKENFAST

That just plain out flat WRONG!!!
Have some respect for the person in the accident, and there family members.
What if that was someones brother or something like that.
I understand that is makes riders more aware.

BUT F**K HAVE SOME RESPECT AND REMOVE THE PICS.
LET THE DEAD RIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would normally agree, but I think in this case it's important to see. Hopefully the kid who crashed doesn't want others to make the same mistakes he did. But, as was said before, sometimes pictures like this just don't seem real enough to convince somebody to slow down. It seems to me like a big factor in this is the group he was riding with. You put a bunch of inexperienced kids on fast bikes and they're going to try to compete.

I'm pretty young and new to sportsbikes myself, and I think the most valuable resources I have are the more experienced riders who took me on rides and literally led by example.

There are some people I just won't ride with for whatever reason, ie speedfreaks and guys who prefer SOTGWIFLI over ATGATT. (Some of the gear whenever I feel like it).


Haha, a quote from Gone in 60 Seconds comes to mind "You don't know the first thing about stealing a car! Boy! You need a role model!" Yeah, except replace stealing a car with riding a motorcycle.

[The Captain]

Originally Posted by surophoto

DAMN!!!
that's a great picture, to show to the stupid that is making a law here in Puerto Rico about, riding always with a helmet, boots, gloves, jacket... There are some cases they won't help you live..

Stupid post of the day.

[ratchetman]

Originally Posted by FREAKENFAST

That just plain out flat WRONG!!!
Have some respect for the person in the accident, and there family members.
What if that was someones brother or something like that.
I understand that is makes riders more aware.

BUT F**K HAVE SOME RESPECT AND REMOVE THE PICS.
LET THE DEAD RIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If it was my family I would say leave the pictures up as a warning to others. That way there would be something positive from the loss.

Hell I'd post em myself in as many places as possible to advocate for rider training.